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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 12:28:09 GMT -5
FOA, I agree with storyteller and being attacked by the Bat doesn't really confirm anything except that brewha, DBI, and I aren't Batman.
I don't particularly like the idea of lynching DBI yet, because if she IS town, we waste what is probably our last bad lynch. Instead, I would prefer to wait for a role-claim from her before we go any further in trying to discern which one is honest.
Also, if we happen to believe the NEW number from the Masons--Oy!--then that means we have TWO PFKs left, which means if Rysto is honest, then they're probably tdpatriots and DBI, but if Hawk is honest, then it's tdpatriots and whoever.
That all said, I think it's safe to say that if DBI IS PFK, then she's malicious, or she would have counter-claimed (I forget who mentioned that earlier, or I'd give you credit) when tdpatriots claimed, unless she somehow ALSO knew that he may have been telling the truth. As such, I'd expect a pro-town role-claim from her, but I'd still like to evaluate her in the light of her claim, because knowing if she is lying or not will help us determine if the claimed detectives are lying or not.
So, whether or not we actually lynch anyone connected to this or not may or may not be the best action, we at least need to have a better idea of where we stand.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 21, 2008 12:33:35 GMT -5
Also, if we happen to believe the NEW number from the Masons--Oy!--then that means we have TWO PFKs left, which means if Rysto is honest, then they're probably tdpatriots and DBI, but if Hawk is honest, then it's tdpatriots and whoever. There is no new number. At the end of day 2, CIAS, AKA Hush, Serial killer PFK, was vigged by Joker. This was the first PFK to die. At the beginning of Day 3, Penguin was told there are as many PFK remaining as Masons. This means either 3 or 4 remaining, depending if Pengin counts as a Mason. We have now eliminated 3 more PFK. So either no PFK is left (in which case see my previous post), or there is one left (in which case see my previous post).
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Post by sinjin on Apr 21, 2008 12:35:31 GMT -5
FOA, I agree with storyteller and being attacked by the Bat doesn't really confirm anything except that brewha, DBI, and I aren't Batman. Blam this in no way confims you as NOT Batman. And how about an answer to my question. What consequences did you suffer for breaking the post restriction associated with the shark repellant?
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 12:35:44 GMT -5
Nothing happened to me. I assumed it was because of the big freeze. Did anything happend to you BlaM? When I :cough: got it, I was warned that there may be "dire consequences" and it was implied that it may effect my powers. There was then the public post in the thread where I was informed that they were thinking up my punishment. Somewhat later in the Day, well after I was told I was no longer shark repellant but kept it up anyway, I was told that continuing "wasn't going to help me", not that it mattered because it was a "red herring" anyway. At that point, it was late in the Day and I was having fun anyway, so I just kept going with it. ;D So, short answer, AFAICT, there were no ill-effects from breaking the post restriction. But, kind of like NAF with the big freeze, my main power is passive and prevents the Do-Gooders from winning, so I really can't see how they could have restricted it in any meaningful way, since they weren't near winning, so I'd getting it right back the next Day would have been like never losing it at all.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 21, 2008 12:37:09 GMT -5
And anyway you were mod-confirmed as NOT Batman already. Why the need to bring it up again?
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 12:37:15 GMT -5
FOA, I agree with storyteller and being attacked by the Bat doesn't really confirm anything except that brewha, DBI, and I aren't Batman. Blam this in no way confims you as NOT Batman. And how about an answer to my question. What consequences did you suffer for breaking the post restriction associated with the shark repellant? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I'M FUCKING MOD-CONFIRMED NOT TO BE BATMAN!
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 21, 2008 12:38:42 GMT -5
Well, the fact that he was taunting the town for being so stupid as to believe him in the exact same breath as he said that they were confirmed to be town combined with an OMGUS! vote is what made me say that, but smudge away. He's pretty clearly addressing the Do-Gooders here. So, I repeat: why on earth are you taking this post so personally? Yes - the taunting is directed at the do-gooders. But it mocks the entire town for actually trying to trust them. Mole - Without any rationalization, your vote was an omgus vote. How dare I vote for an admitted liar!? Or consider that a group who hasn't been honest from the start may have an alternate win condition!?
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 12:39:52 GMT -5
And anyway you were mod-confirmed as NOT Batman already. Why the need to bring it up again? Yeah, nice back-pedalling on your smudge. FOA, I don't see how Batman could throw a smoke bomb at himself in the way of the color. Second, I'm mod-confirmed, DBI is either town or PFK (unless BOTH Hawk and Rysto are lying) and brewha is the Scarecrow (though possibly PFK, I guess), so even beside that, none of us could be Batman ANYWAY.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 21, 2008 12:41:00 GMT -5
Blam this in no way confims you as NOT Batman. And how about an answer to my question. What consequences did you suffer for breaking the post restriction associated with the shark repellant? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I'M FUCKING MOD-CONFIRMED NOT TO BE BATMAN!(Sized down by me.) I feel your pain BlaM.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 21, 2008 12:42:20 GMT -5
What does "FOA" mean?
And I'm assuming he could chunk one at himself - as it was noted that everyone was in the room and that "Batman has sufficient quantities of awesome to be in two places at once".
And DBI's bombing didn't involve anyone chunking something in through the window.
But per your last post, I'm assuming none of you three are lying.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 21, 2008 12:43:45 GMT -5
/ being lied about in a manner such that you are Batman.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 21, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -5
Hoopy's reasoning accurately captures my own feelings on the subject. Can someone give me a good downside to lynching tdpatriots12 toDay?
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Post by sinjin on Apr 21, 2008 12:48:25 GMT -5
I wasn't backpedalling, I was trying to forstall just the reaction you spewed out. So, why the fuck* bring it up at all?
*As long as we're all going to be swearing at each other today, I may as well too.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 21, 2008 12:52:08 GMT -5
I wasn't backpedalling, I was trying to forstall just the reaction you spewed out. So, why the fuck* bring it up at all? *As long as we're all going to be swearing at each other today, I may as well too. Do it sinjin! Swearing is fun! Fucking Goddamn shit piss Fun!
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Post by Death By Irony on Apr 21, 2008 13:06:05 GMT -5
*Coughs* Caught up reading toDay's events *Coughs*, at least.
...... *Coughs*
I'm going to *Coughs* have to do a lot of thinking about this. *Coughs*
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Post by brewha on Apr 21, 2008 13:06:18 GMT -5
Hoopy's reasoning accurately captures my own feelings on the subject. Can someone give me a good downside to lynching tdpatriots12 toDay? If Pats is PFK, his death helps the scum as much as it helps us. So, while not a downside, it's not exactly an upside either. I'd really rather take out scum tonight. But since it's very possible that Pats could be scum. I'd be just fine with his lynch.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 13:07:23 GMT -5
I wasn't backpedalling, I was trying to forstall just the reaction you spewed out. So, why the fuck* bring it up at all? *As long as we're all going to be swearing at each other today, I may as well too. I don't like to swear, but it's frustrating to keep seeing that. Either way, the point was that I was AGREEING with storyteller that the three of us are NOT removed from Do-Gooder contention just because we were attacked. Maybe Batman attacked himself? Okay fine, I'll revise it to this "it PROBABLY means that none of use are Batman". But it doesn't matter, cause there's good reasons besides that to say that we aren't Batman.
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Post by RoOsh on Apr 21, 2008 13:27:11 GMT -5
Fuck yeah it is! Shit piss cunt cocksucker motherfucker! Wheee! But remember you shitheads- this is just a goddamn game. So play fucking nice, and don't fucking personally piss in someone's cornflakes or hurt their goddamn feelings. So while swearing can be oodles of fun, remember to keep that silly shit shooting clean and happy; and not be a fucking dicksucking asshole about it.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 21, 2008 13:28:08 GMT -5
Personally, I'm gonna keep this clean. Fuckers.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Apr 21, 2008 13:36:17 GMT -5
Well damn it, I might as well get really vicious and throw in a "n00b" or two while we're at it!
I promised a big Kat-style analysis and I haven't had time to do it yet, but it's coming over the horizon like a massive black juggernaut so don't you worry.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 13:41:09 GMT -5
Hoopy's reasoning accurately captures my own feelings on the subject. Can someone give me a good downside to lynching tdpatriots12 toDay? I'm not seeing how tdpatriots's death gives us any information. He's not connected to anyone as far as I can see. If he's telling the truth, we've just wasted a lynch, and if he's lying, well, we'll know when two other PFKs are revealed (assuming we believe the Masons now). I'm not really getting what we gain by lynching him.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 21, 2008 13:45:52 GMT -5
Hoopy's reasoning accurately captures my own feelings on the subject. Can someone give me a good downside to lynching tdpatriots12 toDay? I'm not seeing how tdpatriots's death gives us any information. He's not connected to anyone as far as I can see. If he's telling the truth, we've just wasted a lynch, and if he's lying, well, we'll know when two other PFKs are revealed (assuming we believe the Masons now). I'm not really getting what we gain by lynching him. If tdpatriots12 is PFK, then - assuming we believe the Masons, which I think we may have to do in spite of strong reservations about it - he is the only one left. Which means, in turn, that Death by Irony is not PFK, which means that Rysto is a lying liar who lies. If td12 is Scum, then, well, he's Scum, so that's a positive outcome. Either way, by lynching td12 we are certain to identify a Do-Gooder, and are assured of not lynching a Baddie. Lynching Death by Irony would assure us of identifying a Do-Gooder, but carries the risk of lynching Town. The crux of it, I think, is your understandable confusion about the Mason numbers. They have claimed that, after Hush's death but before any other PFK deaths, there were 4 PFK remaining. We have since seen the deaths of the Joker, the Riddler, and The Mad Hatter, leaving us with one PFK out there. If td12 is it, DbI is not. Does that make more sense?
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 21, 2008 13:53:59 GMT -5
Makes sense to me story.
Unvote DS
vote TDPatriots12
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Apr 21, 2008 13:56:31 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how tdpatriots's death gives us any information. He's not connected to anyone as far as I can see. If he's telling the truth, we've just wasted a lynch, and if he's lying, well, we'll know when two other PFKs are revealed (assuming we believe the Masons now). I'm not really getting what we gain by lynching him. Can you show me where there's evidence there are 2 PFK remaining? I've run the numbers for the PFK's in my post up above. I'll run them again here for the lazy: There was one PFK dead when NAF got his info. He was told the number of masons (which at the time stood at 3 or 4, depending on if the mods count Penguin as a mason) is equal to the number of PFK remaining. We have since disposed of 3 more PFK. This means there are either 4 - 3 = 1 OR 3 - 3 = 0 PFK remaining. Not 2. 4 - 3 does not equal 2 even for very large values of 4 and very small values of 3.To sum up the point which I've made in at least two posts already: There are only 1 or 0 remaining if we trust the masons. Not 2. Lynching tdpatriots will get either the last remaining PFK as well as exposing Rysto as a liar...OR...it will nab a scum. Regardless, all investigators live to the end of the day. If one of the investigators is town, and scum whack him, the other investigator is pretty much confirmed scum, so he's lynched the next day. Scum will take a big risk killing the pro-town investigator so the likelihood of both investigators making it through the night is also high.Now, how in the goddamn fucking cunt shit piss of Hell is this lynch not good for town!!!!
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Apr 21, 2008 14:03:28 GMT -5
There are only 1 or 0 remaining if we trust the masons. That's a pretty big if... But I agree with what you say. Unvote godamned liar 'pirate' molefan Vote patriots
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Post by brewha on Apr 21, 2008 14:05:03 GMT -5
Now, how in the goddamn fucking cunt shit piss of Hell is this lynch not good for town!!!! sized changed cause I'm too weak to yellWell, when you put it that way, how can I not...Vote TDPatriots And if I may quote Eminem, "Fuck shit ass bitch cunt shoobadeedowha"
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Post by Rysto on Apr 21, 2008 14:07:54 GMT -5
Vote tdpats
DBI, don't think for a minute that this lets you off the hook from claiming today.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 14:16:43 GMT -5
Okay, here must be where I think I'm confused. I thought NAF said the number came because he was confused that there were only three Masons, but he counts, so that meant there were really four left when Smurf said there were only three left. If I'm mistaking the facts, then I apologize.
Even still, if there's only one PFK left, if it IS tdpatriots and he's telling the truth, it's a completely unnecessary lynch. Meanwhile, if that's true and he's not it, it will mean it's probably DBI, and she IS malicious, which means if she were lynched and showed up PFK, we also get a scummy Hawk and tdpatriots.
The main point is, I don't want to just lynch someone without hearing a claim from DBI, because it will give us a better idea of the picture. She HAS posted Today since I requested a claim from her and hasn't made one yet. So, I think we should at least hear from her.
And to Hoopy, how's about a big hearty Fuck You! Insulting my intelligence like that is completely unnecessary. It's one thing to point out flaws in my logic, it's something completely different to patronize me like that.
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Post by NAF1138 on Apr 21, 2008 14:19:15 GMT -5
Okay, here must be where I think I'm confused. I thought NAF said the number came because he was confused that there were only three Masons, but he counts, so that meant there were really four left when Smurf said there were only three left. If I'm mistaking the facts, then I apologize. Smurf said that there were three left after the Joker died. Which, at that point, was true. But I think this is all generally correct.
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Post by Blaster Master on Apr 21, 2008 14:56:36 GMT -5
Smurf said that there were three left after the Joker died. Which, at that point, was true. But I think this is all generally correct. So you're confirming that there is exactly one PFK left? I read what you originally said that his "3" came from a misunderstanding that the Penguin didn't count as a Mason, and so the actual number at that time was 4, which is why I thought there are still 2 left being that only two PFKs have died SINCE Joker was alive, which leaves 2. So, to avoid any further confusion about what numbers are claimed when... let's just ask the simple question. According to your powers, and your deductions based on the deaths since, how many PFKs are you claiming are left right now?
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