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Post by Captain Klutz on Oct 26, 2007 19:37:22 GMT -5
Ah HA!!! I see in the "Fun with names" forum that things were not so "obvious" and cut and dried 'twixt the mods and the designers as to whether Mingo/Fanty were more than just empty safe names. If you are talking about the posts I think you are...that was a miscommunication on these boards, not in design. We all meant the same thing, but said it in a way that made it sound like we were talking about something different. Well, reading it, it really looks as if the Fanty/Mingo names would be revealed on death. The exchange was in the Fun with names thread, posts 10 to 12: JSexton said NAF replied Kat added(I was thinking of a similar scene, but with a Mission: Impossible "peel off". Hmmm, showing my age a bit) Here is the role PM: From this it is clear that I am HoBG and that the real Mingo is not in the game. However, it says that I have assumed Mingo's identity. It does not say that it is simply a safe name, it says that it is an assumed identity. I can't see how that means anything other than that the Mingo name is an integral part of the role, something that would be revealed on death.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 26, 2007 20:23:01 GMT -5
FINALLY! I have been jones'n for that thing for like a WEEK! Your journal entry is the scum boards. If your scummy folks ever PM'd anything longer the a sentence I would have posted those, but none of you ever did. Well...I am kinda partial to my PM to target Hal...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 26, 2007 22:45:50 GMT -5
Yes...listen to Idle, my little lambs...
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Post by Drain Bead on Oct 26, 2007 23:00:12 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure how letting Idle know that another doc was added was necessary. Unless, of course, it wasn't, and he's just making shit up. I figure you guys would have told us in here if you'd done that, and I haven't seen it, so can I assume he's just pulling that one out of whole cloth? It sounds like an Idle thing to do. Last time he thought about doing something like that, he was horribly wrong, but this one's spot on...if he keeps up with it, which it looks like he isn't.
Weird.
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Post by mtgman on Oct 27, 2007 11:22:46 GMT -5
My night 7 post was a bit of dirty metagaming. I didn't have an analysis ready, aside from a strong feeling that panamajack wasn't being honest, I was just pushing to convince Roosh that not voting wasn't a scum tell because the days have been ending early. If I could establish that I was being a pro-town procrastinator instead of a scum trying to hide in a spotty voting record it would help establish me for the long game. That's what I was playing for. Stupid coin flips. Here I was thinking 50% nightkill immunity was a pretty cool thing.
Enjoy, Steven
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 27, 2007 14:03:04 GMT -5
Well, I still couldn't tell you what "something" about you we could smell, mtg, but we could smell it. We had a lot of advantage of process of elimination, thanks mostly to the revelations of Day 1.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 29, 2007 9:26:16 GMT -5
I don't think I will ever understand Idle Thoughts. Roosh must be really confused now. Obviously the back-up Doc thing came from Roosh being the back-up Cop. It is somewhat delicious to see Idle Thoughts obfuscate the truth with his lies. I guess everyone is lucky that the backup-Doc is already dead, so there won't be any contradictions. But he must be confusing the crap out of Roosh. Why is he lying? I just don't understand that man.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 29, 2007 12:11:01 GMT -5
I don't think I will ever understand Idle Thoughts. Roosh must be really confused now. Obviously the back-up Doc thing came from Roosh being the back-up Cop. It is somewhat delicious to see Idle Thoughts obfuscate the truth with his lies. I guess everyone is lucky that the backup-Doc is already dead, so there won't be any contradictions. But he must be confusing the crap out of Roosh. Why is he lying? I just don't understand that man. Seconded. It makes no sense to me at all.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 29, 2007 17:12:16 GMT -5
It gives me warm fuzzy feelings to see my name mentioned so much in the current Day. Those warm fuzzy feelings are squashed considering everybody's running every which way with them and it's getting them further from who's actually scum.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 29, 2007 17:58:33 GMT -5
Ok, So I have been going back over various posts seeing as I am currently on the block anyway. Not to put to fine a point on it, I think I got investigated by atarus on Night 2. The day before atarus was definitely of the opinion that I was scum, which kind of disappeared after that night. I didn't want to be pointing this out too much unless you were really close to being lynched, but I'm pretty sure you're right on that. I think a very relevant post is 4.42. The astute will notice that atarus was dead on Day 4. That's actually a post by Klutz, known scum. (I did a complete check on him the Day we killed dotchan, and then he was dead the next Day, of course). It really struck me that Klutz had decided that he hadn't investigated Cat based on this, because I had read the exact same thing and came to the conclusion that atarus probably had checked him. He also says it favors Roosh, but you could go either way on Roosh from that. Klutz had already seemed to be going after Cat, so I think it more likely he was trying to maintain suspicion on CatinaSuit. I'm not completely convinced that CatinaSuit is crew, but I really think anyone voting for him should consider this detail. This is a wonderfully insightful post on panamajack's part. It's been a while since a gave positive props in here. This post deserves them though.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 30, 2007 6:19:27 GMT -5
This is a wonderfully insightful post on panamajack's part. It's been a while since a gave positive props in here. This post deserves them though. Agree about the insight. However, if wtf is paying attention, panama is going to get dead toNight, because I think there's too much in that post that screams "Vig."
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 30, 2007 8:22:12 GMT -5
Has WTF even said anything Today?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 30, 2007 9:34:15 GMT -5
No, but he knows it is Day. He created the "Day 7" thread on the scumboards.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 10:14:27 GMT -5
WTF seems to have decided to lay low until discussion about him burnt out and turned towards someone else.
Not a bad tactic if it doesn't get noticed.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 30, 2007 10:14:29 GMT -5
One thing to point out to all, is that the Scum did have their own investigator and could well have been working through the townies trying to find our power roles to knock them off. If Cookies did find the town detective on one night, I would hazard a guess he would be dead by the end of the next night. Considering that NAF already went back into the game to explain my "investigative" role, I wonder how such statements are going to pan out for Cat.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 10:21:57 GMT -5
One thing to point out to all, is that the Scum did have their own investigator and could well have been working through the townies trying to find our power roles to knock them off. If Cookies did find the town detective on one night, I would hazard a guess he would be dead by the end of the next night. Considering that NAF already went back into the game to explain my "investigative" role, I wonder how such statements are going to pan out for Cat. Yeah, I always used to wonder about posts like that. Where the player misses something insanely obvious in their logic. But it seems that it is only town that ever makes that kind of slip. Possibly because it looks crazy scummy every time, so scum never let themselves make mistakes like that. Goes back to story's theory (from way back in M3) that scum can be found by seeing who is making the fewest mistakes.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 30, 2007 12:25:25 GMT -5
Well if mhaye bites it, I wonder who he's going to take with him.
I'd guess CatinaSuit, personally, but he might even be ballsy enough to take out Roosh, which would half-screw the town.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 12:28:14 GMT -5
I have a feeling he may not be awake for a claim, but at this point I don't think we have many power roles left anyway. I wonder if panama really believes this. I wonder how much of the town believes this? They have seen that the scum had 3 power roles in some form, have they realized that they didn't have many vanilla town to start with?
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 17:42:35 GMT -5
Hey Cookies, can you help us out with a prodding of WTF. His lurking is a tad on the extreme side at this point.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 30, 2007 18:16:51 GMT -5
I will try. We've been avoiding each other since the game started.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 30, 2007 18:19:56 GMT -5
Yeowch. That lynch hurt the town. So 10 people left....
4 Vanilla (5 if you count MasontheSwineChan, who is basically vanilla at this point) River 50% doc cop River-helper
And a lone scum.
The only information Roosh has right now is that hockeymonkey is town.
I think at this point it boils down to Roosh investigating wtf (or nesta getting to Hal who investigates wtf), because I don't think the town is going to lynch wtf before they lynch Cat and hockeymonkey at least.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 30, 2007 18:37:55 GMT -5
Yeowch. That lynch hurt the town. So 10 people left.... 4 Vanilla (5 if you count MasontheSwineChan, who is basically vanilla at this point) River 50% doc cop River-helper And a lone scum. The only information Roosh has right now is that hockeymonkey is town. I think at this point it boils down to Roosh investigating wtf (or nesta getting to Hal who investigates wtf), because I don't think the town is going to lynch wtf before they lynch Cat and hockeymonkey at least. But who is confirmed? Doc (Idle) River (Hal) Mason (dot) Sherrif Bourne (dnooman) Cop wont get targeted for a N/K based on the fake claim. WTF needs to keep hockey and Cat alive for as long as possible, while taking out Idle so he can get the extra N/K and/or get the town to stalemate. Or else he will be the only unconfirmed in a list of confirmeds. It doesn't look good for the scum at this point. But it is doable.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 30, 2007 20:42:25 GMT -5
*rigs a booby trap to bury the newcomers in nachos*
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Post by Parzival on Oct 30, 2007 23:50:53 GMT -5
Hey! Who put all these nachos in here!
I don't know if any of you are reading the journals, but that lynch really saved the town.
I was going to target Roosh tonight. I never thought about the backup cop idea, so it was odd that he knew so much. Especially when he all but told me I was the vig.
I was half-hoping Roosh was who he said he was, as I also wanted to die soon, to give the town more time to catch scum, so the crazy Reaver did a perfect job. Hats off to you, mhaye.
And I was obfuscating a lot throughout the game. The last day I was trying to make it more clear who I was, since I planned on roleclaiming tomorrow if I survived. Thankfully I got my hitlist post in there at the end of the day (though it may not matter so much as long as Roosh stays alive).
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Post by Parzival on Oct 30, 2007 23:51:43 GMT -5
Forgot about the filter ... I mean nachos.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 30, 2007 23:59:50 GMT -5
This is a wonderfully insightful post on panamajack's part. It's been a while since a gave positive props in here. This post deserves them though. Thanks. That was probably the post that got me to kill Klutz. It just looked so much like scum trying to push things the way they wanted. Though I was wrong about atarus and CIAS, wasn't I? I'm glad I actually get to take credit for killing Klutz now. I thought they actually had been allowed to do it. So does the rest of the town, probably - even I didn't know in my last in-game post.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 31, 2007 8:16:33 GMT -5
Wow. Well, that throws a monkey into the wrench, for sure.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 31, 2007 8:47:05 GMT -5
What's with Idle Thoughts rant about having said that there was a Brandon SH in the game? I don't get it (again). Was town not supposed to lynch someone because of that? Idle made the information public. Anyone could have made up a name to fit what Idle Thoughts said he saw. Also, Idle is wrong. MHaye didn't have a night action.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 31, 2007 10:16:56 GMT -5
Also, Idle is wrong. MHaye didn't have a night action. Which is why we didn't think it was a big deal that he saw the name. We clearly opened up the journals to anyone who wanted to write one (though it was so long ago that we mentioned it, I am not sure anyone remembers). Mhaye just wanted to write a journal. I liked it, and wish more people would have done them. They provide an interesting insite into the thought process of the players. MHaye declined to join us, he would rather watch the rest of the game without knowing. But if he reads this after, I think he played his role well and did the right think by not claiming crazy townie.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 31, 2007 10:48:17 GMT -5
I don't remember any Reaver facets to "Out of gas", and I just re-watched everything during the first few days of the game. Refresh my memory?
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