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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 20:25:55 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 17, 2010 20:25:55 GMT -5
SQUEEK (Also, to clarify something that's going to come up when you all come back around to looking at me again: I am not the person who's been boosting the vote. Nor do I have the faintest clue who is. Despite that word "governor" up there in your description, I am most emphatically Not a Politician.) Since I was told your power is stop one lynch I know you aren't the vote booster.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 20:26:57 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2010 20:26:57 GMT -5
From Day 1 Post 96, by Mister Blockey
That should put to rest any Town players being a threat to Town.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 20:30:59 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 17, 2010 20:30:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the smudge there, Bill. The only thing I recall saying that could be seen as defense of Dexter, was rebutting Jack's(?) opinion that the Jailer as described couldn't be played in a pro-town fashion. I also don't know how much sense it would make for me as a scummy to help push the swing to lynch Total yesterday, and I think it that is something I can claim. It boils down to a "scum would never do that" defense, I admit, but getting lynched for being spot-on about at least half of my "something stinks" analysis and helping to shift a big bandwagon to lynch a scummy Total was an epic Townie win and it will be ironic if I'm lynched for it. Not a smudge - just a statement that i have not made up my mind about your alignment. At the point where the vote was tied between Dexter and Galadriel it was: Dexter Morgan : Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappal (59), The Corinthian (60), Jack Skellington (83), Total Galadriel (93), Curious George (99), Zeddicus Zu'l Zoroander (110), Dr. Strangelove (155) Total Galadriel : Generic homicidal maniac (13), Elizabeth Bathory (148), Nakor (177), Dexter (188), Iskaral (190), Nordom (192), Death of rats (193), Meeko (198) Everyone voting Dexter (apart from Galadriel) at this point I consider to be Town. Everyone I am suspicious of, was voting Galadriel. So Galadriel was most likely bussed by her scum compatriots - did they consider Dexter the Jailer more valuable than Galadriel the limited investigator - or maybe the scum were hoping for a tie in the hope of no lynch.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 20:45:39 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 17, 2010 20:45:39 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> SQUEEK (Also, to clarify something that's going to come up when you all come back around to looking at me again: I am not the person who's been boosting the vote. Nor do I have the faintest clue who is. Despite that word "governor" up there in your description, I am most emphatically Not a Politician.) Since I was told your power is stop one lynch I know you aren't the vote booster. SQUEEK (Fair enough, but I'm sure you can see where I thought it was worth clarifying.)
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:05:50 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 17, 2010 21:05:50 GMT -5
jeebus raj that is so all sorts of wrong. idiot. and you still need to move your fracking foot. you, of all people, have no right to judge a Vig i just don't get the target is all. btw, what is your chance of success on further killings currently?
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:06:08 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2010 21:06:08 GMT -5
Vote Record
Day 1
Fangirl (10) Mystery Vote, George (325), Nordom (383), Strangelove (391), Iskaral (396), StayPuft (406), Columbo (410), Batman (414), Zedd (425), Corinthian (430) StayPuft (5) Strangelove (233 391), Marcel (235), Nordom (289 383), Rorschach (311), Christ (315), Zedd (319 425), Raj (321), Dexter (375) Iskaral (4) Staypuft (291 406), Raj (300 321), Jack (308), Columbo (309 398), Nakor (313), Eleanor (415) Marcel (2) Eleanor (19 88), StayPuft (230 291) Gir (340), Rats (437) Rats (1) Galadriel (369) Nakor (0) Corinthian (141 430) Maniac (0) George (8 325) Meeko (0) Marcel (68 119), Eleanor (194 221) Rorschach (0) Raj (161 300) Eleanor (0) Maniac (248 270), Iskaral (258 277), Rats (265 267) Batman (0) Iskaral (320 396) Narrator (0) Rats (342 378) Dexter (0) Columbo (398 410) Corinthian (0) Gir (0) Jack (0) Galadriel (0) George (0) Raj (0) Columbo (0) Strangelove (0) Nordom (0) Christ (0) Zedd (0) Bathory (0)
Not voting:
maniac Narrator Fangirl Meeko Bathory
That took much longer than I liked.
I noticed a close race between StayPuft and Iskaral and eventually a run on fangirl for not being present.
Please check my work for errors especially with the color coding. I did it from memory. I also assumed rats was 3rd party as she's now pretty much claimed.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:09:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2010 21:09:16 GMT -5
you, of all people, have no right to judge a Vig i just don't get the target is all. btw, what is your chance of success on further killings currently? He gave off vibes that I interpreted as Scum tells. 1. He insisted strongly on lynching any Vig, even knowing they are Town. 2. He was more quiet than usual, and while he did post content and complaints, he didn't really ask as many questions as he usually does. I considered that his questions might be getting answered in the Scum thread. 3. His more quiet style reminded me of Colorless, where he subbed in as Scum. As to my future success, I'm choosing to withhold that information currently.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:47:06 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 17, 2010 21:47:06 GMT -5
I did indeed jail Skellington. Just because he investigated as not a threat to town didn't make me think he wasn't scummy. I can't believe there's not a Godfather in this game. We can't trust any investigation! Case in point: I am definitely Town. The only reason I can think of that I would come back as a threat is if Buddy used her power on me.
I was going to try to jail Storyteller again, but he was unusually quiet yesterDay and I wanted him to explain. If I had jailed him, he wouldn't have been able to do that.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:51:34 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2010 21:51:34 GMT -5
I did indeed jail Skellington. Just because he investigated as not a threat to town didn't make me think he wasn't scummy. I can't believe there's not a Godfather in this game. We can't trust any investigation! Case in point: I am definitely Town. The only reason I can think of that I would come back as a threat is if Buddy used her power on me. I was going to try to jail Storyteller again, but he was unusually quiet yesterDay and I wanted him to explain. If I had jailed him, he wouldn't have been able to do that. Let me summarize 1. You assume that Zedd is being honest and Jack is "not a threat" 2. You took the remote chance that Zedd had investigated the godfather. 3, Instead of jailing anyone else who might more likely be lying, you decided to take a wild chance. Is maniac the only other person you considered jailing?
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 21:58:13 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 17, 2010 21:58:13 GMT -5
What's very odd is that Dexter has come in and posted, expressed concern over two of Zedd's investigations, and not cast a vote for Zedd.
In fact, quite the opposite, Dexter's post expresses possibilities for Zedd's investigations to be true and his results to be wrong.
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Day Six
Oct 17, 2010 22:06:17 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 17, 2010 22:06:17 GMT -5
My decision was based on Jack acting scummy yesterDay. You are also putting words in my mouth so to speak. I am not assuming Zedd is honest. Zedd and his investigation didn't factor in my decision. I also don't think that if Zedd is being honest that the chance of investigation the Godfather is remote. It's not a one in a million shot. At the beginning of the game it's 1 in 24 (since he won't investigate himself), and the chances get better as people are killed. I didn't take a wild chance. I didn't make a decision based on random.org or anything. I thought Jack was acting scummy and used my power as I saw fit.
Jack and maniac/story were the two I considered. They stood out as the front runners.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 1:53:27 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2010 1:53:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the smudge there, Bill. The only thing I recall saying that could be seen as defense of Dexter, was rebutting Jack's(?) opinion that the Jailer as described couldn't be played in a pro-town fashion. I also don't know how much sense it would make for me as a scummy to help push the swing to lynch Total yesterday, and I think it that is something I can claim. It boils down to a "scum would never do that" defense, I admit, but getting lynched for being spot-on about at least half of my "something stinks" analysis and helping to shift a big bandwagon to lynch a scummy Total was an epic Townie win and it will be ironic if I'm lynched for it. Not a smudge - just a statement that i have not made up my mind about your alignment. At the point where the vote was tied between Dexter and Galadriel it was: Dexter Morgan : Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappal (59), The Corinthian (60), Jack Skellington (83), Total Galadriel (93), Curious George (99), Zeddicus Zu'l Zoroander (110), Dr. Strangelove (155) Total Galadriel : Generic homicidal maniac (13), Elizabeth Bathory (148), Nakor (177), Dexter (188), Iskaral (190), Nordom (192), Death of rats (193), Meeko (198) Everyone voting Dexter (apart from Galadriel) at this point I consider to be Town. Everyone I am suspicious of, was voting Galadriel. So Galadriel was most likely bussed by her scum compatriots - did they consider Dexter the Jailer more valuable than Galadriel the limited investigator - or maybe the scum were hoping for a tie in the hope of no lynch. I'm not certain that Dexter is scum. Perhaps pfk. Now that we know that we do indeed have super-charged masons, it could go either way. I again point out that adding extra powers to a masonry seems damn powerful from a balancing perspective.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 2:06:15 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Oct 18, 2010 2:06:15 GMT -5
This Dawn post brought to you in the colour green, by executive decision of Yattara.
It's been a quiet Night you all think, cowering in your rooms and hoping to avoid the attention of whoever it is that is murdering people in their sleep. Unless, of course, you're one of those actually doing the murdering, in which case you're out and about finding someone to murder in their sleep. Or trying to stop the murderers. Whatever.
It's about an hour before first light when you hear the crashing around. It goes on for quite a long time before falling still. Some time later, there is a roaring sound, like some mechanical banshee, that lasts for a couple of minutes then goes quiet.
You emerge with a certain amount of trepidation, wondering what you will find. In the main lounge there is a scene of mayhem – broken furniture, upended tables and so on. In the middle of the room is the body of Marcel Marceau. Even inexperienced crime-scene investigators like yourselves quickly realise that Marcel was not attacked here, but had staggered in from the place where he was attacked (his room, for those who are interested); the blood and wreckage show you that.
A quick headcount shows that there are still two people missing; Jack Skellington and the one known only as The Corinthian. So you split into two parties to go check their rooms. The party sent to Jack's room find an empty room. Not so with the other group. Whoever wanted The Corinthian dead wanted to make sure he didn't come back. His body, sans head, lay on the ground amid a sea of blood, bearing wounds that spoke loudly to all, and what they said was “chainsaw.” His head was found stuffed into the trash compactor that did for poor Eleanor, but missing the eyes. (They have not been traced at the time of writing.)
On returning to the main room, they see a familiar sight – the glass cage, now holding a resigned looking Jack Skellington. Jack has been jailed and is unable to speak, vote, or be voted for.
Slinking in from the side entrance is Rorschach, who's shabby raincoat looks – well, just the same really. Rorschach may speak and act normally.Marcel Marceau, Town-aligned one-shot Mass Roleblocker, has gone to meet his maker. The Corinthian, Townie Masonic-type person with some investigative power has gone to wherever creepy superheroes and supervillains go.The Quick: 1 BillMC: Batman 4 Inner Stickler: Jack Skellington 5 Sister Coyote: Death of Rats 8 Timmyfellinthewell: Rorschach 9 Cometothedarksidewehavecookies: Nakor 10 Storyteller: generic homicidal maniac 11 Peekercpa: Curious George 12 Severe Delays: Elizabeth Bathory 15 Special Ed: Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappali 17 Septimus: Dr. Strangelove 18 Hockey Monkey: Dexter Morgan 19 Natlaw: Nordom the Modron 21 NPhase: Iskaral Pust 22 Mahaloth: Zeddicus "Zedd" Zu'l Zorander 23 Paulwhoisaghost: Meeko The Dead: 14 Captain Pinkies: Twilight Fangirl, Town Hider24 Captain Pinkies: The Narrator, PFK Power Stealer20 Drain Bead: Buddy Christ, Scum Corrupter13 Suburban Plankton: Stay Puft Marshmallow man: Town Vigilante 16 Dirx: Lt. Columbo: Town Roleblocker3 Kat: Gir PFK Serial Killer6 Sinjin: (Eleanor) Big Sister Town Doctor7 Total Lost: Galadriel, Scum Limited Investigator2 redskeezix: The Corinthian, Town Mason25 Meeko: Marcel Marceau, Town One-Shot Mass Roleblocker In the future, can you put all pertinent, non-color information in a different formatting than the color? I don't usually read color and in this case missed valuable information. Day 6 starts now. It will end at approximately 8PM EDT on Friday 22nd October.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 4:59:47 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Oct 18, 2010 4:59:47 GMT -5
R.I.P. to The Corinthian (and all the other corpses). I hope you're all resurrected in time for the Halloween Day Party itself which should have a variety of intoxicants and wild sex. I might reconsider this vote based on rereading and further comments, but may as well put a vote on record now. Vote: Dexter [/color] To ease Batman's misgivings, I'll confirm that Masonic discussion has centered on suspicion about visitors to the Batcave, not Batman himself. The comment about "messy" just referred, I think, to the cockroach-attracting guano.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 6:03:59 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 18, 2010 6:03:59 GMT -5
I'll be damned - Marcel/ Meeko appears to be right about Rajesh/ Ed having a grudge for him. He's wasn't asking enough question so might be scum? He was getting of track and speculating a lot about meta issue. His claimed power use was exactly as a would see a town Meeko play. Rajesh: what's your opinion of the strategies: -killing off the unknown pool -killing off the lynch runner ups Zedd: The latter one also for you - why not investigate an unknown instead of a claimed jailer who barely survived a lynch? You did it with Elizabeth as well but she was an unknown. Or in phrased differently: what do you think about the strategy of an investigator focusing on confirming town instead of finding scum? General question: why wouldn't a scum/PFK jailer not jail a vigilante in this situation? Either both on the same team (and a PFK alliance seems definitely possible - a PFK with only a one-shot stop-the-lynch?) or town. Vote Record That took much longer than I liked. I intend to update my previous one posted here unless you want to go ahead and fill it in. In the future, can you put all pertinent, non-color information in a different formatting than the color? I don't usually read color and in this case missed valuable information. What important information (a proper snipped quote would have been valuable here )? That Rorschach is out and about again (and seems to have been in interrogation for a Day/Night instead of the jail which seems to be Night/Day)?
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 6:43:47 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 18, 2010 6:43:47 GMT -5
@dexter
I was indeed relatively quiet yesterDay. This is for two reasons:
1. I am not enjoying this game very much, for reasons that have nothing to do with the (in my opinion) excellent setup or moderation. That's not a good excuse, I know, but it's one of the two primary reasons and worth mentioning here.
2. To me, yesterDay seemed like it should have been a foregone conclusion from the moment Gir! was revealed to be a killer. All signs pointed toward Total Galadriel as a potential killer, which seemed much more dangerous to me than the jailer (you). Having expressed this opinion, I really didn't know where else to go with it. Combine that with inertia related to #1, above, and you have limited Day Five participation.
@batman
Your reasoning is based on a total non sequitor and your conclusions are wrong. Share and enjoy.
@all
Vote Dexter Morgan
This seems pretty straightforward. If he is Town then Zedd is exposed as a liar (I can't see any reasonable interpretation of his claim other than that his power identifies non-Town elements with win conditions opposed to the Town [ie, Scum or PFK], and do not consider the possibility that it identifies Town players with potentially threatening powers as likely [almost any power is potentially threatening). If he is not Town, then we lynch a non-Town player. Either way, we have at least one more dead non-Town by the end of Day Seven.
Having said that, I will make a conscious effort to be more participatory toDay. At some point, we'll need to discuss means of dealing with Death of Rats. A simple way is just to lynch her twice, but that's definitely suboptimal. I do hope Raj is paying attention to this paragraph.
I also remind the Scum that Death of Rats is no less a threat to them than to Town, and that Night killing her would protect their position (by staving off a potential PFK threat) while not narrowing the unconfirmed pool in which they can hide.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 6:55:29 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2010 6:55:29 GMT -5
Rajesh: what's your opinion of the strategies: -killing off the unknown pool -killing off the lynch runner ups What I posted first was my musings as I considered if and who to target. I believe in targeting the unknown pool. Marcel fit into that category. I also believe it's sometimes beneficial to target runners-up. I did not target Dexter out of fear of being redirected. I didn't want to give the Scum control over an additional target.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 6:56:34 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2010 6:56:34 GMT -5
NETA, and if it really were a grudge, I would have killed him Night 1 (or Night 2 after being blocked) like I've always suggested be done.
If you note, I refrained until Night 5 when my suspicions were pinged and I realized that we had no good read on him anyway.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 7:00:53 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 18, 2010 7:00:53 GMT -5
vote: Dexter[/color]
Back after coffee.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 7:03:00 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 18, 2010 7:03:00 GMT -5
Zedd: The latter one also for you - why not investigate an unknown instead of a claimed jailer who barely survived a lynch? You did it with Elizabeth as well but she was an unknown. Or in phrased differently: what do you think about the strategy of an investigator focusing on confirming town instead of finding scum? Given the tied vote, there was definitely a strong difference of opinion on Dexter - so settling whether Dexter was town or scum was a good use of the investigation in my opinion. I did contemplate investigating Dexter myself, tho given how Zedd has been playing, I made the assumption that he would look at Dexter allowing me to look at someone else.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 7:05:25 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Oct 18, 2010 7:05:25 GMT -5
Zedd: The latter one also for you - why not investigate an unknown instead of a claimed jailer who barely survived a lynch? Honestly, I just wanted to know if Dexter was a threat to Town, so I investigated him. That's all. I have, and will continue to, investigate whomever I think is the wisest choice.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 7:11:52 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 18, 2010 7:11:52 GMT -5
@batmanYour reasoning is based on a total non sequitor and your conclusions are wrong. Share and enjoy. Fair enough, if I'm wrong you can say I told you so over a beer or three.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 7:14:05 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 18, 2010 7:14:05 GMT -5
At this point, for those who are paying attention it should be pretty obvious what roles Skellington and Rorschach most likely have.
So I repeat my call for the unknown pool to roll claim.
Rolling in random.org gives the following order:
-Iskaral -Meeko -Elizabeth -Nakor -Modron
I'm travelling around Europe on business for the rest of the week (French air traffic control strikes permitting), so will only have limited access till Friday.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 8:06:28 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 18, 2010 8:06:28 GMT -5
@batmanYour reasoning is based on a total non sequitor and your conclusions are wrong. Share and enjoy. Fair enough, if I'm wrong you can say I told you so over a beer or three. I'll buy the first one for being a dick on Day Three (or whenever that was).
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 8:15:11 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 18, 2010 8:15:11 GMT -5
I'm not claiming now, Bat-breath.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 8:33:29 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 18, 2010 8:33:29 GMT -5
Well this is not ideal. Two lost. But at least we have a good investigation result.
vote Dexter Morgan
I wasn't sure about him before which is why I went for KatGir!. I was sure of her. As it turned out wrong that she was scum but she was still a dangerous PFK so I'm happy with my vote there. As for Dexter, his claims about not understanding his role and misreading it seemed plausible. Quite a few of you had difficulties with role PMs and understanding how your role works. Possibly that's more clear to me because I read most of Day 1 and Day 2 in one huge digest instead of playing it out over time. Unfortunately I believed the wrong one. Where's the sciencefail smiley over here?
I'm considering whether to claim or not. I'm still not sure it is in town's interests to know exactly who is what because then scum and the PFKs know who to pick off. There are still more of us than of them and it's not possible to protect everyone. Depending on what the PFKs are it could be very bad to have town fully exposed and vulnerable. I'm going to think more on this through the day.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 8:36:04 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 18, 2010 8:36:04 GMT -5
Initial thoughts --
Rajesh -- I have serious issues with your killing of Marcel, the fact that he was actually a townie being almost the least of it. You claim you feared redirection a reason to avoid targeting Dexter, but that rationalizes nothing, hence reads as false justification. There is no evidence whatsoever of a target-oriented redirector being around. None, zip, zero. As of yesterDay that was only a probability if Galadriel was telling the truth, which she wasn't.
Batman, about Dexter -- your assumptions are all over the place and aren't wholly supported, but I'll buy that a DoR/HM PFK pair makes as much sense of the results as anything. However, the first time I read this I thought you had missed something really obvious (regarding last night's events and Dexter's potential guilt) and now I can't think what that was. For the moment, I'll hold on this.
Zedd -- convenient, that's all I'll say about that right now. The runner up for yesterday's lynch is thoroughly accused by the town cop and there you are right sharp to back it up. Why is it that everything you do, including your first accusation of a non-town threat, feels so false? At this point I can't even justify it with logic anymore, that's all been done pages and pages ago.
Where did our friendly anti-town redirector disappear to last night? Aimed at Rorshach? Or absent entirely?
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 9:15:38 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 18, 2010 9:15:38 GMT -5
Initial thoughts -- Rajesh -- I have serious issues with your killing of Marcel, the fact that he was actually a townie being almost the least of it. You claim you feared redirection a reason to avoid targeting Dexter, but that rationalizes nothing, hence reads as false justification. There is no evidence whatsoever of a target-oriented redirector being around. None, zip, zero. As of yesterDay that was only a probability if Galadriel was telling the truth, which she wasn't. Not entirely true. Zedd has claimed to have been redirected. StayPuft likely was redirected. While Zedd isn't the most trusted source, it's possible that we do have multiple redirectors (maybe Scum and PFK) There's no evidence that the redirector isn't target oriented.
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 9:15:56 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 18, 2010 9:15:56 GMT -5
Having said that, I will make a conscious effort to be more participatory toDay. At some point, we'll need to discuss means of dealing with Death of Rats. A simple way is just to lynch her twice, but that's definitely suboptimal. I do hope Raj is paying attention to this paragraph. SQUEEK (Actually, I'm not much of a threat at the moment. Sure, I'm a threat to Scum, but since I can't kill anyone or interfere with anyone's Night actions the threat is minimal at best.)
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Day Six
Oct 18, 2010 9:47:13 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Oct 18, 2010 9:47:13 GMT -5
Zedd -- convenient, that's all I'll say about that right now. The runner up for yesterday's lynch is thoroughly accused by the town cop and there you are right sharp to back it up. Why is it that everything you do, including your first accusation of a non-town threat, feels so false? At this point I can't even justify it with logic anymore, that's all been done pages and pages ago. Feels false? Why does it feel false? What kind of question is that? I can't control your feelings about what I say. And no, it was not justified with logic pages ago. It was justified with suspicious feelings....yep, more feelings.
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