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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 17:40:11 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 19, 2010 17:40:11 GMT -5
SQUEEK? (Do you know/can you tell us/do you think it is wise to tell us if the Interrogation was triggered because of the person to whom/upon whom your action was directed and their relationship to your own role?) SQUEEK (Just to clarify something, and I don't know why I'm bothering, but as always I'd rather see a Town win than a Scum win. Since it doesn't look like I'll be winning in any event. )
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 18:38:11 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2010 18:38:11 GMT -5
Forces outside of game, not anyone involved in game. Not Scum, not Town, not 3rd Party. Forces outside of game did interrogation. Only post restriction was silence during time of interrogation. Was not jailed, like Batman. Interrogation only meant for me, no one else. Doesn't exactly mesh with Can answer that. Interrogation happened as part of role. Has nothing to do with Scum, Town, or 3rd Party. Submitted action Night 4, was told I would be interrogated and not allowed to speak until Day 6. Dead Rat correct, no restrictions on posting during game. Never has been. Since your role is part of the game. Or did you mean costume? Because costume and role are two very different things. Can you come out of character long enough to communicate effectively? That would be nice.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 18:46:41 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 19, 2010 18:46:41 GMT -5
Ror, are you permitted to answer our questions? Do you have some kind of post restriction now?
If the interrogation was part of your role but wasn't done by town, scum, third party players then were you interrogated by the Mods?
Interrogation is a specific word. Very different to roleblocking. So how were you interrogated? What were the questions? How did that take place (PM, separate forum, something else)?
Do you know why you were interrogated?
Do you think your interrogation was triggered by your PM? Would it be wise to tell us what the subject of your PM was so that we can see if we can work out how it might relate to the interrogation?
Did the action of your PM go ahead? We could not talk to you but we could vote for you so I'm thinking that you were not allowed to talk to us but potentially could still go ahead with your Night action. So was it successful?
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 19:00:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2010 19:00:53 GMT -5
hey, look nord and batty. i have no clue just yet. it just seemed odd and i wanted to put it out there. because if puffy was redirected there by scum what in the world was galadriel doing there? my only guess is that scum sent their limited investigator to do the kill not knowing that a sk was going to be there as well as a redirected (my guess by pfk) town vig. well it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out the rest of the fracking folks' costumes. *chitter* *chitter* *squeek* *squeek* *hand wave* *hand:wave* to repeat earlier comments/theories I believe Story/Maniac in his claim that he his some form of jack of all trades. However I don't believe that he is town (I agree with Story to disagree on that point). As he suggested, and I agree, someone had the power to redirect all killers to me on N2. It would have been a dumb move by a SK or Scum to target me - a 1 for 1 trade would not make sense. The only people not in the batcave by their own free will were killers. I also believe Story was responsible for said redirection ( again we agree to disagree on that point). i just can't disagree more strongly. you think everyone in the cave was a fracking killer? really? or that all the killers were there. really? so i assume that means that we have eliminated any other killers than scum, right? mother of fucking og this bitch will take forever to fucking finish if that is the case. and if you believe that why are you not voting story because crap he's the only possible killer other than the ones we have already killed. unless you think raj has something to do with it. or fracking maybe zed. and fracking eleanor was in jail so someone saved your ass. it doesn't even take a fucking monkey to figure out that it was story or ror to have pulled that off unless the fracking clouds came down from heaven and made wheat bread. jeebus.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 19:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Oct 19, 2010 19:09:27 GMT -5
your investigative choices have not been real remarkable and the conclusions/results even less so. and you do what you need to do, but certainly you can see how it looks if you were trying to spin it in a poor, or at least other than stellar, light. 1. My choices have been fine, even if others don't agree. 2. The results have been worse than the choices? Results are results. I can't control those. 3. Spin what? I have no idea what the last "do what you need to do.....stellar, light" thingy was about.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 19:32:49 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2010 19:32:49 GMT -5
to repeat earlier comments/theories I believe Story/Maniac in his claim that he his some form of jack of all trades. However I don't believe that he is town (I agree with Story to disagree on that point). As he suggested, and I agree, someone had the power to redirect all killers to me on N2. It would have been a dumb move by a SK or Scum to target me - a 1 for 1 trade would not make sense. The only people not in the batcave by their own free will were killers. I also believe Story was responsible for said redirection ( again we agree to disagree on that point). i just can't disagree more strongly. you think everyone in the cave was a fracking killer? really? or that all the killers were there. really? so i assume that means that we have eliminated any other killers than scum, right? mother of fucking og this bitch will take forever to fucking finish if that is the case. and if you believe that why are you not voting story because crap he's the only possible killer other than the ones we have already killed. unless you think raj has something to do with it. or fracking maybe zed. and fracking eleanor was in jail so someone saved your ass. it doesn't even take a fucking monkey to figure out that it was story or ror to have pulled that off unless the fracking clouds came down from heaven and made wheat bread. jeebus. I think what theory the Bill is holding is that a power was exercised that affected any killing actions that night by redirecting the killing actors to the Batcave. Not all killing roles in the entire game, just people who had homicidal intentions that night.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 19:34:24 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2010 19:34:24 GMT -5
maha take a pill.
i was merely mentioning and observing that your observation choices, especially with hindsight might have been better. additionally, your results would have been merely what any other reasonable person would conclude even without any power, fcs.
and by spin i merely mean following up with results that are pretty much confirmed by someone else doesn't give you a whole ton of cred.
that's all my friend.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 21:12:03 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2010 21:12:03 GMT -5
I think what theory the Bill is holding is that a power was exercised that affected any killing actions that night by redirecting the killing actors to the Batcave. Not all killing roles in the entire game, just people who had homicidal intentions that night. <kind of snipped> so you have belief that there are homicidal folks (other than raj) who are wandering around? they just chose not to act that Night, right? i don't necessarily disagree but i wonder how you would reach this conclusion based on the death toll so far. and i appreciate the fact that these other homicidal folks are kind of leaving us alone. but as the Days play out it becomes more and more dangerous for town.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 21:34:23 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 19, 2010 21:34:23 GMT -5
Situation with Dr Raj troubling. Claims limited killing ability with diminishing returns. Killed two players in game, both are dead. See no diminishing returns. StayPuft had to kill every Night, said it was compulsory. Dex says has to Jail every Night, says compulsory. Zedd gets reading from clouds, learns of threat to Town. Large margin for error in that. Sorry for wandering, mind does that. Point is certain players have handicaps. Abilities not infallible. Dr Raj claims limited ability to kill, with diminishing returns. Returns, or results? So far, he's been able to kill with 100% results. Two players dead. Both Town. Where are diminishing returns? The first kill had a 100% chance of success. The second had a 50% chance of success. There was a 50% chance that if I got off 2 shots, they'd both be successful
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 21:37:27 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 19, 2010 21:37:27 GMT -5
Why would scum send a limited investigator after a claimed cop (either Batman or Zedd as Galadriel claimed)? To fake claim investigator? Why would Gir! lie about not visiting? Perhaps because saw a possible mass redirect evidence. Or pehaps it was a mass redirect with only a random chance to redirect each action that Night to batman. If all of the Scum have power and they must give it up to kill, the Scum may have decided to have Galadriel give up her power and kill Billman. Gir may have lied hoping she could get away with it. She did for a little bit.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 21:57:10 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2010 21:57:10 GMT -5
I think what theory the Bill is holding is that a power was exercised that affected any killing actions that night by redirecting the killing actors to the Batcave. Not all killing roles in the entire game, just people who had homicidal intentions that night. <kind of snipped> so you have belief that there are homicidal folks (other than raj) who are wandering around? they just chose not to act that Night, right? i don't necessarily disagree but i wonder how you would reach this conclusion based on the death toll so far. and i appreciate the fact that these other homicidal folks are kind of leaving us alone. but as the Days play out it becomes more and more dangerous for town. I was explaining my take on Bill's apparent opinion. Do I think it could be possible that not everyone capable of killing was exercising that capability that night? Sure. It is possible that a one-shot killer or a non-compulsive killer is in the game and chose not to kill anyone that night.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 21:58:44 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 19, 2010 21:58:44 GMT -5
NETA : Which is not a conclusion, but a possibility.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 22:33:03 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Oct 19, 2010 22:33:03 GMT -5
SQUEEK? (Do you know/can you tell us/do you think it is wise to tell us if the Interrogation was triggered because of the person to whom/upon whom your action was directed and their relationship to your own role?) Will try to explain as best as possible without violating mod rules. Interrogation was triggered by Night action. Didn't matter who was targeted. If no one was targeted there would have been no interrogation. Made a choice, would rather act than sit on hands all Night. Targeted role appears unaffected. Seems nobody saw me act Night 4. Or action was ineffective, like what happened Night 1. Don't know which it is.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 22:41:29 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Oct 19, 2010 22:41:29 GMT -5
Forces outside of game, not anyone involved in game. Not Scum, not Town, not 3rd Party. Forces outside of game did interrogation. Only post restriction was silence during time of interrogation. Was not jailed, like Batman. Interrogation only meant for me, no one else. Doesn't exactly mesh with Can answer that. Interrogation happened as part of role. Has nothing to do with Scum, Town, or 3rd Party. Submitted action Night 4, was told I would be interrogated and not allowed to speak until Day 6. Dead Rat correct, no restrictions on posting during game. Never has been. Since your role is part of the game. Or did you mean costume? Because costume and role are two very different things. See your point. Yes, role and costume two separate things. Costume makes me speak like this. No post restrictions by Mods, it is all me. Role is what I am and do in game. Can you come out of character long enough to communicate effectively? That would be nice. No.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 22:55:19 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Oct 19, 2010 22:55:19 GMT -5
Ror, are you permitted to answer our questions? Yes. No. Unknown. Probably yes. Not roleblocking. Roleblocking would involve another player. Was told no player was behind interrogation. Yes. Because of submitted Night action. Interrogation occurred because of my Night action. Unknown. Target appeared unaffected. Could be result of my action, could be result of no action. Don't know.
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Day Six
Oct 19, 2010 22:58:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 19, 2010 22:58:28 GMT -5
Interrogation occurred because of my Night action. Was this a different Night action than occurred when you visited the Batcave?
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 7:18:04 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Oct 20, 2010 7:18:04 GMT -5
No.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 7:21:16 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 20, 2010 7:21:16 GMT -5
so you have belief that there are homicidal folks (other than raj) who are wandering around? they just chose not to act that Night, right? Well, if no one else, I think it's pretty likely that we have more Scum than we've found so far, and that all (or most) of the Scum are capable of killing, but probably only one is permitted to do the killing on any given Night.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 8:26:23 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 20, 2010 8:26:23 GMT -5
i just can't disagree more strongly. you think everyone in the cave was a fracking killer? really? or that all the killers were there. really? so i assume that means that we have eliminated any other killers than scum, right? mother of fucking og this bitch will take forever to fucking finish if that is the case. and if you believe that why are you not voting story because crap he's the only possible killer other than the ones we have already killed. unless you think raj has something to do with it. or fracking maybe zed. and fracking eleanor was in jail so someone saved your ass. it doesn't even take a fucking monkey to figure out that it was story or ror to have pulled that off unless the fracking clouds came down from heaven and made wheat bread. jeebus. That everyone who tried to kill on N2 was redirected to the batcave. Gir tried to kill someone, but was redirected to me. Galadriel tried to perform the scum kill on someone, and was redirected to me.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 8:37:25 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 20, 2010 8:37:25 GMT -5
mother of fucking og this bitch will take forever to fucking finish if that is the case. and if you believe that why are you not voting story because crap he's the only possible killer other than the ones we have already killed. unless you think raj has something to do with it. or fracking maybe zed. As I said, I think Story is PFK, and I think he was possibly responsible for the redirection - more specifically, he is not a killing role - so can be dealt with later. With only one kill on N4 - it appears that Gir was the only PFK capable of killing; so our priority is to deal with the scum first - hence the vote on Dexter. And yes - this game could go on for a long time as I figure there are probably 3 scum and 3 pfk's still out there. In most games, we would have already had a mass claim by Day 6 - but here we have folk openly opposed to it. It would be a dumb move for Scum to flatly refuse to claim - so Ms Mule/Normal - I think I'm going to place you at the PFK trough. So I think that makes the PFK's: SisterC, Story, Normal As for the remaining scum - I think Dexter definitely is scum. Nodrum, I believe you are town, tho I'm still somewhat undecided over Cookies - tho I'm leaning towards town. So that would leave: Meeko and Elizabeth as the possible scum, tho that would require Elizabeth to be a godfather.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 8:57:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2010 8:57:06 GMT -5
That everyone who tried to kill on N2 was redirected to the batcave. Gir tried to kill someone, but was redirected to me. Galadriel tried to perform the scum kill on someone, and was redirected to me. see, and i guess it's in my nature not to believe scum or sks. so whether they were redirected or not is kind of questionable, at least to me. i posit that they were there are their own volition. i mean if you truly believe that dex is a scum jailer what would be the point of jailing a doc and not sending a scum teammate to kill you? and of all the potential powers that scum may or may not have, a dick is about the most worthless. i mean if i am scum and all of us have some power that is the candidate that gets to go "crusading". and i know in the overall scheme of things it probably doesn't mean jack but i find it doubtful that there are that many individual redirectors in the game. therefore, it has to be a redirect on all killers (a role i have never seen but certainly do not put past blockey or mhaye to come up with). but if that is the case see my above post. i mean i believe raj to be a killer. but that would mean that any other discretionary killers didn't act early on when the pool is wide and deep and their tracks are more easily hidden. it just seems wonky, is all.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 9:30:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2010 9:30:45 GMT -5
so you have belief that there are homicidal folks (other than raj) who are wandering around? they just chose not to act that Night, right? Well, if no one else, I think it's pretty likely that we have more Scum than we've found so far, and that all (or most) of the Scum are capable of killing, but probably only one is permitted to do the killing on any given Night. i'll answer this at least with the kind of understanding that you are not being totally condescending to me. of course, i understand that there could be more potential killers on the scum team. however, i have yet to see a game where every scum could kill every Night. maybe an extra one time kill, sure. but everyone of them being able to either exercise a power, if they have one, or being able to kill, nah don't see it. i mean the death toll would be fracking enormous, i would think. and maybe i am merely taking on my other personna in the guise of don quixote but this talk about mass direction of only killers seems to be potentially a red herring. which to be honest with you makes me nervous as heck.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 11:05:05 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 20, 2010 11:05:05 GMT -5
Gir tried to kill someone, but was redirected to me. Galadriel tried to perform the scum kill on someone, and was redirected to me. Did I miss the evidence that Galadriel was actually doing the scum kill? I can see a scum limited investigator getting picked to kill one of the town claimed town investigators. The assumes Galadriel was telling the truth about being redirect from Zedd to Batman. In most games, we would have already had a mass claim by Day 6 - but here we have folk openly opposed to it. I'm leaning to claim at the moment because I can see a possible bad scenario if I claim later. Since not much else will be happening Today I don't see a reason to post pone to another Day. Also the major roles that prefer to be hidden (protectors and investigators) are already out. And requires to trust Zedd which is a bit more supported by Galadriel turning up as scum investigator and if Dexter does flip as a threat to town. @george: looks like you're so nervous you misread Maniac - he says any scum can do the standard kill not that all of them can kill at the same time.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 12:24:26 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 20, 2010 12:24:26 GMT -5
i mean if you truly believe that dex is a scum jailer what would be the point of jailing a doc and not sending a scum teammate to kill you? and of all the potential powers that scum may or may not have, a dick is about the most worthless. i mean if i am scum and all of us have some power that is the candidate that gets to go "crusading". Because may Scum thought/believed there was more than one protective role in the game. With top cops, two vigs, two docs would be a reasonable assumption. And they probably thought I would be watched (if there was a watcher) - so they probably would get stopped/seen if they tried to kill me. And given that, having an SK come after me would be a very bad play by the SK. So I dont think Gir and Galadriel would have chosen to kill me N2 The fact that my investigation went through suggests that Scum do not have a blocker -- coz they should have blocked me (Again, apologies to Story as I don't believe his claim that he made me unstoppable). Indeed, the fact that I didnt end up dead with Eleanor in jail, confirms that there is another protective role that had my back. and i know in the overall scheme of things it probably doesn't mean jack but i find it doubtful that there are that many individual redirectors in the game. therefore, it has to be a redirect on all killers (a role i have never seen but certainly do not put past blockey or mhaye to come up with). but if that is the case see my above post. i mean i believe raj to be a killer. but that would mean that any other discretionary killers didn't act early on when the pool is wide and deep and their tracks are more easily hidden. it just seems wonky, is all. Agreed - it has to have been a mass redirection of kill orders. The fact that it only happened N2 suggests that it was a one off power.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 13:00:40 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 20, 2010 13:00:40 GMT -5
Agreed - it has to have been a mass redirection of kill orders. The fact that it only happened N2 suggests that it was a one off power. SQUEEK (Sigh. Or Gir and Galadriel were LYING.)
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 15:01:13 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2010 15:01:13 GMT -5
@george: looks like you're so nervous you misread Maniac - he says any scum can do the standard kill not that all of them can kill at the same time. <snipped> maybe so. it just read to me like he was trying to go "nah, not all the killers were there because most likely scum can't all kill at the same time". well give me some bacon wrapped butter, because that is d'oh.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 15:09:44 GMT -5
Post by julie on Oct 20, 2010 15:09:44 GMT -5
Current Vote Count
10 Dexter Morgan: Batman (3), Zedd (14), Raj (16), Death of Rats (21), Nakor (22), Dr. Strangelove (43), Homicidal Maniac (45), Iskaral Pust (48), Elizabeth Bathory (55), Curious George (75)
In the event of a tie, the mods will randomly select from the following two options.
* No player is lynched. * All players tied for the lynch lead are lynched.
Corrections always welcome.
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 15:13:37 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2010 15:13:37 GMT -5
Agreed - it has to have been a mass redirection of kill orders. The fact that it only happened N2 suggests that it was a one off power. SQUEEK (Sigh. Or Gir and Galadriel were LYING.) since i basically said this there is no hope in trying to reason that there could have been any mechanism other than a mass direct or killers orchestrated by maniac. does anyone remember one trick pony? unvotevote maniac
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 16:51:52 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 20, 2010 16:51:52 GMT -5
That everyone who tried to kill on N2 was redirected to the batcave. Gir tried to kill someone, but was redirected to me. Galadriel tried to perform the scum kill on someone, and was redirected to me. We don't know that they were redirected, just that they ended up at your cave
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Day Six
Oct 20, 2010 16:52:29 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 20, 2010 16:52:29 GMT -5
Do you know why the action you performed at the Batcave didn't end up with you being interrogated, but the more recent one did?
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