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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 21, 2011 4:53:27 GMT -5
@ Mental Guy I agree and have said as much (regarding myself) It seems I screwed up withholding information that I thought should have been withheld (my first time not being vanilla) my mistake it seems - if you ever believe it - helps the confirmed base. Do what you must just don't waste resources. I smell a twist coming. What seems odd to me is that you held out telling the person name when Renata came out and said she was the protector. It only made sense that she would be your other half. She was asking you to come out. Just seems odd.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 21, 2011 6:39:08 GMT -5
I will be holding a training class the majority of the day so in case I don't get back and everyone decides that it should end today.
Vote Greedy Smurf
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 6:44:47 GMT -5
@ Mental Guy I agree and have said as much (regarding myself) It seems I screwed up withholding information that I thought should have been withheld (my first time not being vanilla) my mistake it seems - if you ever believe it - helps the confirmed base. Do what you must just don't waste resources. I smell a twist coming. A twist or a potato? OK, it's an inside joke, you can just ignore this...
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 6:46:02 GMT -5
I'm on vacation until Monday and may not be around much. Vote Greedy SmurfI think there's a good chance he's the last scum beyond the lack of claim and being active toDay without participating: - his general level of participation - his only post D3 was "my dog ate my homework - his comments on Story D2 - Pinkies botched claim could be explained by 2 almost-absent fellow scum ( Joanie and Greedy) - the two female leads are Town but have drawbacks, it's reasonable to deduce the two male leads are scum and it's likely Greedy is Fred We have a pretty good chance of winning toDay. If not, toNight I have a decent chance of annoying scum either directly or indirectly, Idle could confirm Town or investigate scum, Sister may watch a scum in action and Renata may prevent the scum kill. not to nitpick, but he wasn't active toDay. He was active last Night, I believe
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Post by Renata on Apr 21, 2011 7:13:47 GMT -5
vote: Greedy Smurf[/color]
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Post by Renata on Apr 21, 2011 7:28:29 GMT -5
OK -- I'm not sure I want to show all my math since I don't want to inadvertently give the scum any way to game the system. But suffice to say that even with the risk of a kidnapping of Ed that we can't reverse, lynching GS today is still a slightly better option, I think. The main criterion I am going with is whether or not we have enough time and firepower to eliminate all of the unconfirmed players* and still have one lynch left for "but you're all supposed to be confirmed!" emergencies. Someone should check my math (without posting their results), but I don't think that can happen if Ed is lynched today (assuming optimal scum play). It *could* happen if Ed was kidnapped, *if* the kidnapping would preclude a night kill that same night, which I think is a fair assumption. Specifically, I got to a 5-player end game including Ed and four "confirmed" players (one of whom would be scum). I think that's better, as nervous as I am about it. vote: Greedy Smurf And I do hope it ends today, cheesy or not. I'm leaving the tags off because there's still a couple of things I want to have happen prior to the hammer. Specifically I want Guiri to decide whether or not he's going to specify his target and/or room and do so (or explicitly not do so); and Idle and SisC to acknowledge that. I won't necessarily be around tomorrow (I'll leave it as an exercise for any non-GS scum what my and their proper play might be), so forgive me my control-freak tendencies while I can still exert them. I don't think it is a safe assumption that kidnapping precludes a Night Kill of Ed. I assume lynching him was disallowed so that the scum would not be deprived of using his vote, but if they chose to get rid of him, then I think that would be allowed. Sure. That's not what I meant, though. I meant I find it likely that in a one-scum-remaining scenario, odds are low that scum could both kill and kidnap Ed in a single night. Meaning in order to do so, they would have to forfeit a night kill, which down the road might mean one more lynch for the town. Again it's Guiri's choice, but I disagree. I think the numbers work out better without wasting a vig shot on an essentially-confirmed town. If it were wholly up to me, I'd be ignoring the Ed issue entirely just now and just trying to find the last scum. It's still better for Idle to try to confirm at least one of you, of course, but in the absence of that I personally would not be pushing to keep either of you alive just because of Ed. This is simply not true, Mental Guy. I'm really starting to get pinged by your posts today. If telling the truth, LightFoot can be killed and confirmed with impunity as soon as I'm dead. If lying, she's either not a scotsman at all and will die on the first attempt to kill/lynch her no matter when that happens; or she is a scotsman and it will take two tries. But if we we wait until after my death to try, then it becomes essentially a trial-by-drowning -- if she survives, she's a liar and must be lynched again. If we don't wait, her survival is ambiguous, nothing more than a wasted lynch. Which is getting off track a bit, but the bottom line is there is no urgency to investigate her any more than there is urgency to investigate you -- your rationale that it will take two tries to kill her if she's found to be scum is simply false.
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Post by Renata on Apr 21, 2011 7:31:38 GMT -5
If Idle chooses to investigate me, he may certainly choose to do so. However, he is well within his rights to not say anything about who he is planning to investigate or where or when. Why make Scum's life easier? I agree he should not specify his target; however, it is vital that he not go after the same target as Guiri does.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 21, 2011 7:57:03 GMT -5
I don't think it is a safe assumption that kidnapping precludes a Night Kill of Ed. I assume lynching him was disallowed so that the scum would not be deprived of using his vote, but if they chose to get rid of him, then I think that would be allowed. Sure. That's not what I meant, though. I meant I find it likely that in a one-scum-remaining scenario, odds are low that scum could both kill and kidnap Ed in a single night. Meaning in order to do so, they would have to forfeit a night kill, which down the road might mean one more lynch for the town. I did misunderstand what you meant here, but I think the kidnapping is a separate action from the nightkill, so it would be possible to do both. The reason I say this is because of this PM exchange I had with Julie near the beginning of the game: I think we just have a different way of looking at things. All this rests on the assumption that Greeedy Smurf's death does not end the game. In that case, I feel we should start eliminating the unconfirmed players. I also am not counting on getting any further results from Idle after tonight. I feel the least confirmed players are myself, Suburban, Lightfoot, and SisterCoyote. I just feel that investigating Lightfoot and eliminating Ed so that myself and Suburban are expendable is the best method. But I have been wrong plenty of times before.
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 21, 2011 8:10:59 GMT -5
Since the major Night actors have voted, I will go ahead and
Unvote: Special Ed
Vote: Greedy Smurf
Unless I have miscounted, I think we need one more vote after mine to hammer.
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Post by Renata on Apr 21, 2011 8:35:04 GMT -5
Oh, I had no idea that kidnapping was a Day power. Ugh, my head hurts. I can't face going through the numbers again, I'm just going to leave it to Guiri.
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Post by guiri on Apr 21, 2011 8:50:33 GMT -5
It seems that Mental can submit his action anytime during the Day and gets results shortly afterwards, and not at Dusk. It also seems that kidnapping could be a Day power and, if so, why haven't scum kidnapped Special yet? Either the remaining scum is Greedy or some condition needs to be fulfilled before the kidnapping is possible. Maybe it's similar to Velma's and is related to votes received...
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 8:52:04 GMT -5
Later in the Day I could be kidnapped?
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 8:54:45 GMT -5
I think we just have a different way of looking at things. All this rests on the assumption that Greeedy Smurf's death does not end the game. In that case, I feel we should start eliminating the unconfirmed players. I also am not counting on getting any further results from Idle after tonight. I feel the least confirmed players are myself, Suburban, Lightfoot, and SisterCoyote. I just feel that investigating Lightfoot and eliminating Ed so that myself and Suburban are expendable is the best method. But I have been wrong plenty of times before. Scuzzlebutt needs to be added to the non in the least confirmed list. And Renata to some extent since her power, while seemingly pro-Town is not at all confirmed.
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 8:56:02 GMT -5
I would guess that they need to find what room I'm in to kidnapp me.
Or perhaps just have one of them located in a room with me and no other Town.
The same might be true for Velma's glasses.
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Post by guiri on Apr 21, 2011 8:56:11 GMT -5
@ Idle, does Velma lose her glasses at the end of the Day if she's received 25% of the votes or at the moment she gets that number of votes, irrespective of the final vote count?
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 9:01:04 GMT -5
By the way, I would think anyone who voted for me toDay would get a smiden more Town Cred1, since the Scum certainly need to alive to have a chance of winning. I would tend to think that the Scum avoided the conversation entirely.
1 - But just a smidgen.
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 9:06:38 GMT -5
Un official Vote Count:
*Greedy Smurf: 8 (BobArrgh 32, Idle Thoughts 196, Sister Coyote 210, gnarlycharlie 217, guiri 419, Scuzzlebutt 421, Renata 424, Mental Guy 428)
Special Ed: 1 (septimus 333)
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 21, 2011 9:25:56 GMT -5
My vote will be Greedy Smurf when you are ready for it. Not tipping the scales yet
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Post by guiri on Apr 21, 2011 14:29:48 GMT -5
Maybe it's similar to Velma's and is related to votes received... Forget that idea, apart from the fact that Special had 6 votes at one stage on Day 1, his PM clearly mentions kidnappers and their ability to control his vote. Still, if Greedy isn't the last scum, there must be some reason why scum haven't kidnapped him if it's a Day power. While re-reading the PMs I was reminded of Idle's complete immunity to NKs when he loses his glasses. Given his status as essentially confirmed, it may be interesting to force him to lose his glasses if Renata is NKed before him.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 21, 2011 14:32:04 GMT -5
I could not find one single post this Day from Greedy could he have been silenced?
Or is it permitted to post (fluff) when silenced here?
That would bite being silenced on claim day and being lynched because of it
if this has already been discussed, and my brain forgot or my search skills are lacking [emily litella this]
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Post by special on Apr 21, 2011 14:38:40 GMT -5
It's generally frowned upon to have a situation where a player is not allowed to post.
It is completely unacceptable to have a role where a player is unable to post and the players are not clearly made aware that this is the situation.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 21, 2011 14:45:44 GMT -5
It occured to me because in another game I'm in there is a silencer that can prevent a player from posting anything for a Day. But it is what I believe is called an 'open' game all the roles are listed so the players do know there is a silencer. (It would be crappy to have a silencer and not know it)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 21, 2011 16:05:01 GMT -5
@ Idle, does Velma lose her glasses at the end of the Day if she's received 25% of the votes or at the moment she gets that number of votes, irrespective of the final vote count? No idea, it wasn't specified, but I assume it happens immediately. The PM says as soon as I get 25 percent of the votes I'm "jostled", so it sounds like something that happens right then (as in, even if they unvote afterwards, I'm still without my glasses).
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Post by julie on Apr 21, 2011 23:34:47 GMT -5
I made it from central Ohio to Joplin, MO today. My count matches Ed's which is probably a bad sign given that I'm hardly firing on all cylinders.
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Post by special on Apr 22, 2011 2:14:21 GMT -5
I made it from central Ohio to Joplin, MO today. My count matches Ed's which is probably a bad sign given that I'm hardly firing on all cylinders. wait, are you saying that it's bad to agree with me?!?
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Post by Renata on Apr 22, 2011 5:54:12 GMT -5
I won't be around much if at all until Monday, so good luck townies.
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Post by julie on Apr 22, 2011 7:20:35 GMT -5
I made it from central Ohio to Joplin, MO today. My count matches Ed's which is probably a bad sign given that I'm hardly firing on all cylinders. wait, are you saying that it's bad to agree with me?!? See? I wasn't even coherent! I was trying to say that it was a bad sign for you, having someone utterly clueless come along and agree with you! *sigh* Now back to your regularly-scheduled programming.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 22, 2011 11:24:06 GMT -5
[oog] Glad you made it safely, Julie. I live just south of KC, so if you are ever in the area, look me up. [/oog]
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Post by Inner Stickler on Apr 22, 2011 14:01:10 GMT -5
Dawn breaks, but someone is missing. Everyone searches through the hotel and they finally find Greedy Smurf, under the bed, clutching a Barbie that looks suspiciously like Daphne.Daphne: Freeeeeeed? Velma: Fred! Fred: (sobbing) I just wanted her for my own. That's the only reason I went along with Scooby Dum! He lived up to his name! Waaah! Everyone mutters in agreement. He really, REALLY had.Velma: But what did he want? What was Scooby Dum after? Fred: He found a map. A pirate map. A sunken treasure! Daphne: We're five hundred miles inland. Fred: I told you he lived up to his name! But mostly he wanted to outwit everyone here. And when he told me I could have Daphne... He smiles at Daphne who looks nervous.Velma: So that was it? He knew we solved this type of mystery all the time so he decided to show off his intelligence by doing the exact thing we always show doesn't work? Fred: Scooby DUM! DUM! What part of DUM ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT GETTING? Fred, AKA Scum Kidnapper is committed to a mental institution for the criminally insane. He gets to keep his dolly. And with that: Guiri, 3rd Party Serial Annoyer, AKA Scrappy Doo WINS.Town WINS.*** Thanks for playing, everyone. That had to be one of the fastest games I've ever seen. If you want to see the whole setup: meddlingkids.proboards.com/index.cgi It should be open to the public now. Sorry, Julie, I didn't have the option to make a new thread but if someone with appropriate powers wanted to split this off into another topic, they're more than welcome to.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 22, 2011 14:02:53 GMT -5
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to win one.
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