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Post by deon on Nov 22, 2011 23:40:18 GMT -5
I am off to work, will only be back after EOD, hopefully my explaination helped :-)
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 22, 2011 23:41:40 GMT -5
4 PM GMT which is 11AM EST and 8 AM PST Oh ok, I got it. I think I need to go to bed...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 22, 2011 23:44:58 GMT -5
Unvote Deon
Vote Archangel
I am going to give Deon the benefit of the doubt right now. I don't like the bandwagon votes that come with no reasons.
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Post by special on Nov 22, 2011 23:45:37 GMT -5
I am town that is the truth in a game filled with lies :-D Vote SachThe reasoning given for his votes does not make too much sense to me. Seriously? I'm beginning to believe that no Scum would be this bold.
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Post by special on Nov 22, 2011 23:46:11 GMT -5
shh, but don't tell Sister, she'll lecture me on "scum wouldn't do that"
Then I'll probably find her Scummy and vote for her.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 23, 2011 0:58:23 GMT -5
Why the switch Archangel?
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Post by moodymitchy on Nov 23, 2011 1:37:41 GMT -5
Unvote Mr Special Ed
Vote Mahaloth
My vote on Mr Special Ed was perhaps an "easy reason vote" that's gained no response so with no reaction to it I can't try to build or have knocked down a better case,,
I'll be working at Day end and would sooner place my vote on Day 1 somewhere where it might make a difference.
I agree that Mahaloth appears to be lurking in plain sight.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 23, 2011 1:48:57 GMT -5
I can roll with a Mahaloth lynch. 2 posts, one of which was full of generic game talk and the other was just a coy oneliner. Plus his avatar creeps me out.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 23, 2011 1:49:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah. Vote: mahaloth
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Post by guiri on Nov 23, 2011 2:19:23 GMT -5
Unofficial Vote Count
Mahaloth(4): Guiri(#150), PolluxOil(#197), MoodyMitchy(#216), InnerSticker(#218)
SilverJan(3): CaerieD(#163), Sachertorte(#180), SpecialEd(#189)
Deon(2): JustBeingGinger(#172-212), Lightfoot(#181), Archangel(#189)
Sister Coyote (1): paranoia (#38), SpecialEd(#146-193) Inner Stickler(1): Drainbead (#115) Special Ed(1): moodymitchy(#124-216), SisterCoyote(#151) CaerieD(1): SilverJan(#165) Archangel(1): JustBeingGinger(#212) sachertorte (1) : Silver Jan (#6,#57), Deon(#209)
sinjin(0): guiri(#119-150) colby11(0): sachertorte(#128-180)
Not voting(9): BillMc, scathach, mahaloth, deni, colby11, GnarlyCharlie, sinjin, storyteller, PWIAG
I'm happy with my vote.
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Post by Silver Jan on Nov 23, 2011 2:43:02 GMT -5
I woke up this morning and thought "oh gawd, what was I doing last night?" I had fun and it gives me an idea of who to look out for. 3 people have jumped on the Janny bandwagon so if I am lynched at least you know who to look at more closely ;D
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Post by Colby11 on Nov 23, 2011 2:45:45 GMT -5
So, after reading a bit, seems the consensus is either Mahaloth, Silver Jan, and Deon.
Mahaloth- hasn't posted much. I think enough has been said about this...
Silver Jan- put an early vote out on Sach after they posted their analysis of the game... retracted it afterwards, saying that she had been drinking, has been trying to have fun... Which is what Silver Jan wants to do, is have fun...
Deon- He is a bit more vocal than he was in the past game that I was in with him. I can see explanations for all of his weird comments, and his theories. The thing that bothers me is his theory about scum not having a collar. It seems a bit out there (since in the opening color I believe it said that everyone had a collar around their neck)
I have to vote for someone, and the most scummiest to me is Deon, so with that: Vote Deon
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Post by Colby11 on Nov 23, 2011 2:47:37 GMT -5
PS- can someone ping Deni and Paulwhoisaghost? I don't think that they have posted at all Day 1 (though I can be wrong about this)
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Post by Silver Jan on Nov 23, 2011 3:09:44 GMT -5
I have pinged Deni, just hope she is still awake.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 23, 2011 4:12:59 GMT -5
Day 1 Vote Count
mahaloth(4): guiri (#150), Pollux Oil (#197),moodymitchy(#216), Inner Stickler(#218)
Silver Jan (3): caerie (#163), sachertorte (#180), Special Ed(#193) deon(3): JustBeingGinger(#172,#212), lightfoot(#181), archangel (#189), Colby11(#221)
Sister Coyote (1): paranoia (#38), Special Ed(#146,#193) Inner Stickler(1): Drainbead (#115) Special Ed(1): moodymitchy(#124,#216).Sister Coyote(#151) caerie(1): silver Jan (#165) sachertorte (1) : Silver Jan (#6,#57), deon(#209) archangel(1): JustBeingGinger(#212)
sinjin(0): guiri(#119, #150) colby11(0): sachertorte(#128, #180)
Not voting(8): BillMc, scathach, mahaloth, deni, GnarlyCharlie, sinjin, storyteller, PWIAG
With these votes: Mahaloth will be lynched.
Day ends in just under 7 hours or so.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 23, 2011 5:12:59 GMT -5
internet still out at home. catching up.
seems that Deon and Silver Jan are getting some heat again. Jan seems to be suffering from wine in front of her again. ;D Deon still confuses the hell out of me. i think i've played in all the he has and i still can't get a read on him. his play is the same as previous ones so i'll give him a pass for now.
the case against Mahaloth seems to be the strongest considering it's D1.
Vote Mahaloth
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Happy Birthday Idle Thoughts and Sinjin! i probably won't be around EOD so this likely won't change.
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Post by Drain Bead on Nov 23, 2011 6:59:52 GMT -5
I still think Inner is Scummy, however, I am also a fan of a Mahaloth lynch. I agree with Guiri--his posts this game remind me of past times when he's been Scum. And this is as much a vote against the Deon case, which I strongly disk like.
Unvote: Inner Stickler Vote: Mahaloth
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Post by Drain Bead on Nov 23, 2011 7:01:07 GMT -5
Also, I will probably be AFK for EOD.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 23, 2011 8:57:39 GMT -5
Why the switch Archangel?[/quote A couple of reasons. 1. She really has not contributed that much to the game. Asked a couple of MOD questions. 2. I don't care for her vote on Deon, it seemed like she saw the case I made on him and thought it was a easy place to put her vote. At least Lightfoot had a look at Deon and his other posts and then placed her vote and came to her own conclusion. So in short, Archangel's vote just seemed more of a bandwagon vote.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2011 9:09:45 GMT -5
Hi all :-[Sorry about the rant last night. Ironically wine was involved in my whine Silver Jan's posts and my abbreviated thoughts, eod is closer than I thought, grr. Posts and my feelings about them: 1) WTF: 2) Heh, wine Unvotes Sach, hehe just kidding, wine, and speculates about short game 3) Townish on inactive posters and slips 4) Weird, brings up possibility of same amount of blues and reds 5) 6) Some normal Jan content 7) Scum would never do that defense to Sach: 8) Scummy response to Ed's accusing her of leaking scum 9) OMGUS vote on Caerie, I really don't like this post. Her basic reasoning is that scum wanted to vote Town Jan out last game so Caerie must be scum this game, wtf?: 9) apologized for mispelling Caerie's name 10) Response to Sacher, poor me I don't understand, but I'm attending class, why can't I get a passing grade? scummy: 11) Out and out says her vote for Caerie was OMGUS. And is further outraged that the vote came from someone she doesn't know even though she previously voted for unknown to her Sach, again wtf? Scummy . 10,11) Caerie asks Deon a question and Silver Jan responds twice: 12) And a complete non-sequiter, meant for another board? 13) And then back to the two equal teams thing: Ok, some of this is Jan being Jan, like posts 10 and 11. But a lot of it is just over the top wrong. In my experience playing with her the past two games most of her non-wine posts were in general pro-town. This Day's posts are over the top "dripping with scum" Her repeated stance that we consider two equal teams is also . It's almost as if she's begging to be lynched, which is terrible scum behaviour. Which led me in the middle of the night to think maybe she's a Jester? After all this is a semi-gastard game. FTR I hate Jester roles and don't consider them genuine "wins" and feel bad for player assigned the role.
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Post by scáthach on Nov 23, 2011 9:21:46 GMT -5
I don't love the Mahaloth case because it's based on something I can't evaluate, I don't think I've played with him where he's been scum so the whole metagaming thing is beyond me. Still, we have 6 (?) people now agreeing with it, which is convincing in it's own way.
Silver Jan's reaction to being voted seemed genuine enough for me to think she's probably townie.
The Deon wagon reminds me too much of the colby wagon in the last game I played here - it's made me a bit too wary of giving "slips" too much weight.
Of the three wagons, I least dislike Mahaloths at the moment. Gonna do a quick reread then vote.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 23, 2011 9:24:43 GMT -5
Whew! Got stuck in traffic this morning, and was worried I’d miss end of Day. Anyway, my post in three parts: PART THE FIRST: MAHALOTH I am not opposed to the Mahaloth lynch. I generally agree that players who technically contribute without really contributing are much more suspicious than players who are simply not present (unexpected absence can happen to anyone, regardless of alignment). That said, I am startled by the speed and ease with which he went from two votes when I went to bed last Night to six votes as I sign in this morning. This is not exactly a revelation, but I’ll bet a shiny nickel that – whatever Mahaloth’s alignment turns out to be – at least one among those six votes (and most likely one among the four late-breaking votes) is Scum (either Scum hastening a mislynch or Scum trying to get in on the lynch of fellow Scum while the getting is good). PART THE SECOND: DEON I really dislike the deon wagon. Here’s the post that got him in trouble: Here’s the Vanilla PM: First, it’s perfectly reasonable that a person could read this, see that blue team vanillas, at least, are fitted with collars, and jump to the conclusion that others might not be. It’s not the inference I made, but implying that it’s an impossible leap is not reasonable. And deon could easily have read the rule thread before his own PM. And seizing on “I would like to see a [Scum] PM” as evidence of scumminess is a huge reach IMO. By the time the case on deon began, with JustBeingGinger at #172 (followed on by a “good catch” without a vote from Caerie), Silver Jan was already in some trouble and Mahaloth had received one vote. Lightfoot’s post at #181 is my least favorite in this string. It’s just a collection of basically unrelated points, mostly consisting of taking some innocuous statement (“maybe if people get separated it detonates the shiny collars,” “I wish we knew beforehand the name of the person we were linked to, or even better if that person is town (preference) or scum (not for me),” “With all the speculation on the roles and the way the collars are connected, I do hope that there is at least one red-red collar to eliminate, and if we can get that one, first day, it will surely be good for us to learn how it works exactly, without loosing blue team members”) and declaring it Scummy/suspicious by fiat. It looks like Lightfoot saw a target where suspicion was already headed and scrambled for anything to justify a vote. Dislike. Sachertorte seems to mostly agree with Lightfoot’s reasoning in this post, which I don’t understand at all (post #183). Archangel piggybacks on deon at #189. Eventually JBG unvotes deon and votes Archangel for piggybacking on JBG’s own case. This seems… weird. Really weird, actually. You make a case, someone says, “I agree,” and you say, “Ha! Gotcha! Scummy!” What does that say about the original case? Things are quiet on the deon front until #221. By now, Mahaloth has received four votes and deon has two. Colby, at 221, namechecks Mahaloth and Silver Jan but chooses to vote for deon, but his reasoning is vague. Then Drain Bead and gnarlycharly add votes on Mahaloth. So in summary: The case on deon is not a good one. It looks like it emerged out of nowhere, and the behavior of all four voters is questionable to me: 1. JBG, not for the original vote (hell, it’s [at the time] a one-off vote on Day 1, but for her inexplicable turnaround vote on Archangel for agreeing with JBG.
2. Lightfoot, for that reaching, assume-the-conclusion-and-declare-unrelated-facts-evidence-in-support-of-it post at 181.
3. Archangel, for… actually, no, I guess of the four, Archangel’s post bothers me least.
4. colby11, for the vote (which to me is based on shaky reasoning), but most especially for its timing… maybe. See immediately below. The alignment of Silver Jan and Mahaloth is of interest here. I think I’d be suspicious of JBG and Lightfoot no matter what (and especially of JBG if deon does in fact flip Scum), but they become even more suspicious if Silver Jan flips Scum and deon flips Town (as the whole deon thing looks like an attempt to divert from Silver Jan). Similarly, colby’s vote looks worse if Mahaloth turns out to be Scum (and in that case, by the way, Drain Bead and gnarlycharly earn strong non-Scum points at least from me for their coup de grace votes). If Mahaloth is non-Scum, then colby’s vote looks not good, but more innocuous, while Drain Bead and gnarlycharly earn perhaps some extra attention. PART THE THIRD – MY VOTE Of all the players in the game, I think I’d most like to make Lightfoot dead (that post at 181 just seemed classic Scum to me). But with two hours left in the Day, that is not likely on the table. Of the three main candidates (deon, Mahaloth, Silver Jan), I obviously will not vote for deon. I’d be happy with either candidate, but I’m going to vote MahalothHere’s why: He has logged in, as recently as this morning. But he has not posted in his own defense, in spite of being the strong lynch leader. This tactic – just say nothing and hope they’ll psych themselves out of lynching me or start worrying that I’m a power role or something – seems like one that has been employed exclusively by Scum over the years. I think that’s what’s happening here.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2011 9:33:02 GMT -5
The case against Mahaloth seems to be he isn't posting much and what he is posting is similar to the way he posts as scum. Can someone contrast his posting in this game with his posting in a game where he was town? And I'd like to here from mahaloth too. This is a weird game, no real defense from any of the lynch candidates with 1.5 hrs to lynch
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Post by scáthach on Nov 23, 2011 9:56:26 GMT -5
Ok, reread done. Of the bandwagons, Mahaloth is the least bad I think so vote MahalothBut I find colby the most suspicious overall. I'll do a proper wall of words tomorrow but basically: This post Because I haven't discussed the pairings myself, I'll put my 2 cents out there.... I think that there are 3 ways in which our awesome mod made the pairs- either CIAS did it by role, by the order that we signed up (ex. Player #16 is paired with Player #23), or it was random. The most plausible way (to me) that it could have been done is the second or third way that I've described. While it is something to bring up, I don't think that it helps us any, unless we can find out the pairs and whether they're town or scum. I mean he says it himself "because I haven't discussed the pairings" - why should he have? Unless he feels he should be seen to be commenting in case he gets accused of lurking. And the possiblity he raises has already been pretty much dismissed by other posters as too balance changing. Regarding slips, I think that slips CAN help to catch scum. Then again, they can help to get people out more quickly. I'm on the "Let's judge a slip based on how it is used" context. Though, I would be on this fence just because of the last game... But last game I also assumed how many scum there would be, which is probably the 2nd thing that probably got me lynched (along with my play at the end of Day 2 which is #3.) here again, makes himself part of the discussion but manages not to actually say anything that hasn't been said. Mahaloth- hasn't posted much. I think enough has been said about this... Well not quite enough, I mean he's the lead lynch candidate - do you agree/disagree, find it so ridiculous that you don't even think it's worth discussing? Sorry, this is sort of turning into wall of words after all
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Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2011 10:07:12 GMT -5
Ok, my bad, I see Deon explained the post that got him in trouble to JBG I think and is off line at EOD. Deon: if you are honestly looking to read scum rolepm's read some prior game spoilers. This site has a wealth of information.
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Post by Caerie on Nov 23, 2011 10:38:17 GMT -5
PART THE SECOND: DEON I really dislike the deon wagon. Here’s the post that got him in trouble: Here’s the Vanilla PM: First, it’s perfectly reasonable that a person could read this, see that blue team vanillas, at least, are fitted with collars, and jump to the conclusion that others might not be. It’s not the inference I made, but implying that it’s an impossible leap is not reasonable. And deon could easily have read the rule thread before his own PM. And seizing on “I would like to see a [Scum] PM” as evidence of scumminess is a huge reach IMO. He may very well have read the rule thread before his own PM, but he'd confirmed long before Day 1 started. So it does seem like a rather odd way of phrasing things. However, even allowing that it isn't a huge scum tell. If it turns out that Blue Team are the only ones wearing collars, I'd say that would be far more suspicious. Knowing nothing at this point, though, it doesn't say much.
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Post by sachertorte on Nov 23, 2011 10:44:16 GMT -5
So Mahaloth it is then? That's okay with me. He's on "my list." I do question the assertion that his two posts are "scummy," but I'm fine having him lynched based on a lack of anything that could be construed as Townie. (does that make sense?) I won't move my vote though. I acknowledge the new information that Silver Jan enjoys the drunk post. I will point out here that her bizarre rantings were the proverbial straw. There is more to the case against Silver Jan than just posts that I do not understand. Sachertorte seems to mostly agree with Lightfoot’s reasoning in this post, which I don’t understand at all (post #183). It's not that Earth shattering. I was acknowledging that I also noticed certain comments by Deon that seemed in the vein of "Look at me I'm so Town, I'm not scum." (e.g., his comment about never having seen a scum role PM and longing to see one.) The first time I read them I dismissed them as impossible for scum to have posted since they are so blatant, but with new focus on Deon I grew more and more suspicious of Deon. In retrospect, I think I was largely motivated by Silver Jan's still unexplained "Wow, I apologise.. that's all I can do and I hope you can have fun again" post. In my head, I have her speaking to Deon; but there isn't any proof of that.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 23, 2011 10:56:10 GMT -5
Well it looks like Mahaloth is not going to come in and post today. FTR I hate that shit. He's either crumby scummy, or gave up the ghost vanilla town. His lynch is basically stitched up now so I'm not going to add a me to vote. I'm not voting for Silver Jan today either, I can't get my mind off the Jester thing, or given her seeming talking to someone off-board maybe lover-jesters??? But I can't figure out how that works with my win con? Would PFK's be on the red team? Crap out of time.
vote paranoia, in case I don't make it to toMorrow. Someone please go back and look at his post history, it's essentially nothing.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 23, 2011 11:06:39 GMT -5
Day has ended.
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