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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 3:03:55 GMT -5
Post by LadyRogue-II on Jul 14, 2012 3:03:55 GMT -5
Archangel, well played! It's tough to decide whether to claim or not but you seem to had a least one successful protection, if not two, and can (and must) play a wifom game with scum toNight. BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. Given SilverJan's statement and the first sentence of Archangel's reply, I cannot see how the "town" in the second sentence can be anything other than a typo. Unless I'm looking at the wrong post snipped and quoted here none of these comments were posted by Archangel. The first comment which you snipped was by SilverJan (and didn't show up in this quote) in response to Colby11 and then the comment you refer to as the first sentence of Archangel's reply is actually JustBeingGinger's comment. This came from page 3 correct?
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 3:25:53 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 14, 2012 3:25:53 GMT -5
Sorry Suburban, I hope you can forgive me again I am sure that JBG meant to write Town instead of scum, it's the idea behind the typo that is more worrying. Scum have been caught for typing things like that or for forgetting to change their wincon in a fake PM post 'cough' Idle 'cough' lol LadyRogue-II you are right, Archangel didn't post, if Guiri wasn't confirmed Town....... It's nice to know that we have 7 confirmed Town so scum shouldn't be able to wipe us all out tonight. I quite like being talked to and talked about again, I felt rather invisible for a while
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 3:33:15 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2012 3:33:15 GMT -5
Archangel, well played! It's tough to decide whether to claim or not but you seem to had a least one successful protection, if not two, and can (and must) play a wifom game with scum toNight. Given SilverJan's statement and the first sentence of Archangel's reply, I cannot see how the "town" in the second sentence can be anything other than a typo. Unless I'm looking at the wrong post snipped and quoted here none of these comments were posted by Archangel. The first comment which you snipped was by SilverJan (and didn't show up in this quote) in response to Colby11 and then the comment you refer to as the first sentence of Archangel's reply is actually JustBeingGinger's comment. This came from page 3 correct? Yes, I meant Ginger, I cannot see how her comment could be construed as a scum slip.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 3:34:22 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 14, 2012 3:34:22 GMT -5
Just being Ginger is in the lead with about 8 or 9 votes (by a long shot).
Day ends in about 9 hours.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 6:00:21 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 14, 2012 6:00:21 GMT -5
Unless I'm looking at the wrong post snipped and quoted here none of these comments were posted by Archangel. The first comment which you snipped was by SilverJan (and didn't show up in this quote) in response to Colby11 and then the comment you refer to as the first sentence of Archangel's reply is actually JustBeingGinger's comment. This came from page 3 correct? Yes, I meant Ginger, I cannot see how her comment could be construed as a scum slip. I thought that you killed Lightfoot for a similar scum slip (saying kill instead of lynch). Is this that different?
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 6:32:19 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 14, 2012 6:32:19 GMT -5
I didn't kill Lightfoot for making a slip. Even if I did, I was a 3rd party serial killer who didn't care whether Lightfoot was town or scum.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 7:14:54 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 14, 2012 7:14:54 GMT -5
Total typo folks. Let's reread the context here!
JGB's statement doesn't make sense as scum, only as typing error. Please reread and check the context.
Has there been any other reason for JBG to be the prime lynch candidate toDay?
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 7:37:37 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 14, 2012 7:37:37 GMT -5
Was your 4 yr old climbing on top of the TV when you posted "I would never say "us" meaning town Scum as a typo"? I hope he's OK. Hun, my point was that I take great caution when I post and if my kids were being distracting, I'd wait to post until later when I can focus. This is a game of dissecting words. IMO you have to know what you are saying and how it will look.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 7:47:58 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 14, 2012 7:47:58 GMT -5
<snip> So from his voting post, it would seem he built his case with the assumption that she is scum. So rich , beacause of being wrong about texcat , you spent extra time to add to a case on someone who wasn't pinging you to beigin with? Who just so happened to flip scum. So, I guess, why haven't you expended this amount of effort to develop a case on someone who was actually pinging you? I don't think I've ever seen you mention a cathi ping, though she was brought up and voted for several Days. This seems like such a buss for Townie cred, and I'm not buying it, though I thank you for helping add to our case on cathi . <snip> My problem is that no one is pinging me. I put the effort into Cathi because the situation to me felt exactly like Texcat. It bugs me to hell that so many seemed to see the case against Texcat so well and I just was not able to grasp it. For me this was the challenge: can I see a case against Cathi. I do not know how many times I read through her posts (thankfully, they are few). Once I saw the shift from anxious newbie to confident scum hunter, I am in disbelief that I did not see that right away. I think I have stated before that this game is very difficult for me in that I have always been biased to accept what people say at face value. I do get extremely cynical when dealing with sales people, but I have not figured out how to turn that on when I read this game. I did have a day or so when everyone seemed suspicious, and every person's suspicion seemed right on, but I was unable to sustain that. I freely admit that I do not think I have come up with a case against someone all on my own, so yes, I am reduced to evaluating other's cases. Ok, I get that no one was pinging you. But why not put equal effort into the other candidates who were being voted for? Why only cathi ? You even said earlier toDay you still wanted to lynch Suburban before he was revealed Town. Whereas I can't recall you ever mentioning cathi as being suspicious until your analysis of her case. Why, from Suburban pinging you yesterDay, to your vote for him toDay had you not given his case your own analysis as you did cathi's ? I believe, that you are scum, and since you hadn't mentioned cathi pinging you before, you felt you needed to go that extra distance to earn the Town credit.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:06:33 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:06:33 GMT -5
It would be best to protect Hal so that he can reveal another player tomorrow, whether they be town or scum Yes, but if Archangel gets NK'd does her protection remain in effect for them not to kill Hal. I am not sure how that would work. I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP... I would protect Hal, the DOC really has no "special" powers if everyone else is just vanilla town ( I am assuming for the sake of argument). If I protect Hal and am killed, the protection on Hal still works for that night.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:10:37 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 14, 2012 8:10:37 GMT -5
yes, you are right about my voting record richbeckman, and I have taken pains to point that out myself, when it comes to finding scum I suck. Take today for example. I started the day out thinking Suburban was, and again I am wrong (sorry Suburban). As for the days I did not vote, I also said on those days I really did not know who to vote for. I noticed JustBeingGinger does not vote most days. I guess that helps avoid a mislynch, and avoids voting for fellow Scum?? I have to agree with wombatThe day has gone by and I am still not sure. I can see the case for and against JustBeingGinger, the case for and against richbeckman, and even the case for and against supermel. vote JustBeingGinger I don't know, maybe if JBG had voted more I would be more comfortable she was not Scum...but I am not. I have been in and out of town the entire game, I posted that my inactivity would be very minimal. How about looking at the times I have voted and who I voted for? Two scum when no one knew they were scum.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:11:04 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:11:04 GMT -5
That was my first instinct too Colby but after thinking about for a while, I am more of the opinion that Archangel should self protect, at least that way we have one Townie that scum cannot ever get rid of. I would favour that over one more reveal from Hal. I totally understand why Archangel claimed now, she must have been worried every Night after she had been confirmed that she would have been NK'd and then scum would be aware that they had killed the doc and then it would be safe to kill Hal. I would definitely be happier with a Townie that cannot die than one more investigation. Hal has done a fantastic job in this game and I don't want to lose him, it's just that I am trying to be practical here. @ Suburban, why do you think that Story is the Mod in this game? I have looked at Cathi's post about not voting for Suburban and it's just given me a lot more WIFOM. As a newbie scum she might not have wanted to vote for him, on the other hand she could have been coached by scum to say that so that Suburban looked scummy? I also looked at the post where Suburban said he would forgive me for my vote on him yesterday, was it scum trying to snuggle a bit or Town just telling me that I am being silly again? I really don't know what to do about it. I can see the case on RichBeckman, at first I thought he came across as really confidant and now he is playing the newbie card. As a newbie scum that would be quite easy to do because you will listen to your scum buddies and you know who is Town so your posts can be confidant because you are making it all up. Later on in the game you do have to account for yourself and that's when he plays the newbie card. Vote RichBeckmanBUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. In this post I'm just addressing your question, not the presumed scum slip. (Going through and responding as I read.) Yes, if scum outnumber town scum wins. But it's valuable to have an essentially unkillable town (which I would be because I can protect myself at night and I'm confirmed so I'm not going to be lynched during the day). It would be more valuable if it were anyone other than me, though, as I tend to make the wrong choice at endgame when I'm town. Which is why I'm considering self-sacrificing for Hal.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:12:18 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2012 8:12:18 GMT -5
In the meantime -- jerelijah and Suburban Plankton, welcome to Confirmedville. They're both town, everyone. cool! so i'm confirmed. Archangel, i'm a doc too. i'll cover you while you cover Hal. that will give scum layers to get to Hal.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:14:51 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:14:51 GMT -5
1. There are 5 confirmeds alive right now (not counting the people Hal hasn't revealed yet): Hal, Silverjan, me, Guiri, and annetastic. 2. Scum is looking for me (as in me the doctor, not me Archangel). 3. They know Hal and Silverjan aren't the doctor. 4. I'm 75% sure they tried to kill Guiri last night and failed because I protected him. 5. That leaves me and Annetastic toNight. 6. I could have kept quiet but if I kept quiet I'd have to protect myself (because I'm more likely to be a target tonight under the circumstances where I keep quiet than Hal) and then Hal would likely die without getting a chance to reveal his other two investigations. How. EXACTLY. Do you Arrive at 75% ? LMAO. Dude, I'm a writer, not a mathematician. That means I'm more sure than not but not entirely sure.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:18:00 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:18:00 GMT -5
Oof...I neglect the board for a day or two while we have company in town an I come back to this. Well, excellent job holding off claiming for as long as you did, Archangel -- and thanks for the whole "making sure I don't die" thing. But given the choice between me or you, please, self-protect. Having you as a confirmed townie through the endgame is far more valuable than me getting in one more investigation. Now, if (and I realize that's a massive "if") there is a second doc out there, then I welcome your protection toNight. And the chance of that happening makes it all the more important that Archangel self-protects. In the meantime -- jerelijah and Suburban Plankton, welcome to Confirmedville. They're both town, everyone. Hal, I'm sorry I had to force your hand. Really, really glad you investigated SP though...now I know he's just a wiseass, not scum.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:20:13 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:20:13 GMT -5
In the meantime -- jerelijah and Suburban Plankton, welcome to Confirmedville. They're both town, everyone. cool! so i'm confirmed. Archangel, i'm a doc too. i'll cover you while you cover Hal. that will give scum layers to get to Hal. OMG Charlie you made my day!
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:21:43 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 14, 2012 8:21:43 GMT -5
Total typo folks. Let's reread the context here! JGB's statement doesn't make sense as scum, only as typing error. Please reread and check the context. Has there been any other reason for JBG to be the prime lynch candidate toDay? This would be the only reason. I have not been on anyone's suspect list or mentioned till I made the typo. This is what it is and it will be a mis-lynch, but as a vanilla townie it is my job to die and be confirmed so that the hidden power roles will not be mis-lynched.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:27:08 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:27:08 GMT -5
JBG - I could look past the typo - but your jumping as soon as someone post makes more of a case against you. ( at least to me) I do know how it feels to be town and be the vote leader and it didn't make me want to jump on every post and scream no you all are wrong. Maybe you are town but I feel all today vote leaders have a good chance at being scum - but you have jumped to the top of my list now. Vote Just being Gingeras for angel/hal - I think you pick a great time to speak out - as now the scum will have no idea as to who you may protect tonight (yourself or Hal) making the odds 50/50 - if they only have one kill - but if they have two they will only get on of you two tonight. My gut feels that we have several scum on the chopping block today, as I feel a lots of quick posts are trying to do damage control. I agree with this post. I don't think the "scum slip" was terribly damning but the reaction to it seems like an overreaction.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:27:46 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 14, 2012 8:27:46 GMT -5
BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. In this post I'm just addressing your question, not the presumed scum slip. (Going through and responding as I read.) Yes, if scum outnumber town scum wins. But it's valuable to have an essentially unkillable town (which I would be because I can protect myself at night and I'm confirmed so I'm not going to be lynched during the day). It would be more valuable if it were anyone other than me, though, as I tend to make the wrong choice at endgame when I'm town. Which is why I'm considering self-sacrificing for Hal. Scum win condition is that they have equal numbers to Town. Town wins when every scum is dead. It seems to me that having the detective live as long as possible is more advantageous to Town, because scum don't have to eliminate all of Town.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:28:26 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 14, 2012 8:28:26 GMT -5
alright, well, Suburban and jerejeliah/newGnarly are off my list, leaving supermel, crys2, and michelehunter2. however, I have nothing enlightening on any of them (still out of town so not enough time to read every post each wrote quite yet), so in looking at the leaders, I'm going to vote JustBeingGinger I think it's a little more than a typo. Jinger has had several issues where things didn't come out as she wanted - perhaps she isn't a big fan of "preview" or re-reading her writing. Wouldn't that be similar to skimming in a way? Like, not taking things as seriously or rushing through because one "knows"? That's my reasoning - more of a "skimming" type approach to playing. It is actually just the opposite. I have played scum 1 time before and when you are scum you have to read and re-read and then re-read some more to make sure you don't slip. Townies don't have to be so cautious because they know they are town. In another game a scum was lynched because she made a comment about not previewing her post and made a mistake. The preview comment is what gave her away.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:29:46 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 14, 2012 8:29:46 GMT -5
Archangel, i'm a doc too. Really?!Pretend I believe this for two seconds. Why would you say this?
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:39:21 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 14, 2012 8:39:21 GMT -5
JBG - I could look past the typo - but your jumping as soon as someone post makes more of a case against you. ( at least to me) I do know how it feels to be town and be the vote leader and it didn't make me want to jump on every post and scream no you all are wrong. Maybe you are town but I feel all today vote leaders have a good chance at being scum - but you have jumped to the top of my list now. Vote Just being Gingeras for angel/hal - I think you pick a great time to speak out - as now the scum will have no idea as to who you may protect tonight (yourself or Hal) making the odds 50/50 - if they only have one kill - but if they have two they will only get on of you two tonight. My gut feels that we have several scum on the chopping block today, as I feel a lots of quick posts are trying to do damage control. I agree with this post. I don't think the "scum slip" was terribly damning but the reaction to it seems like an overreaction. Considering how the bandwagon has built on me, is it a overreaction, I think not. I have the most votes by 8 or 9 votes... We have all seen a mis-lynch happen this way. I am trying to avoid a mis-lynch and how in the world can I "prove" it was a typo?
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:42:57 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:42:57 GMT -5
Archangel, i'm a doc too. Really?!Pretend I believe this for two seconds. Why would you say this? Because he's confirmed town too now. He has the same problem I have-- on the short list for extinction. (The way this is playing out is hilarious. I suspect Gnarlycharlie I for not suspecting me. In fact he's a cop and has investigated me. So he clears me and puts a target on my back. So I claim, forcing Hal to reveal his investigations, which confirm Gnarlycharlie II...so he has to claim.) It does make me worry about the number of scum kills there may be left though if we still have two docs. Either that or the number of scum we still have left.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:45:13 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 8:45:13 GMT -5
I agree with this post. I don't think the "scum slip" was terribly damning but the reaction to it seems like an overreaction. Considering how the bandwagon has built on me, is it a overreaction, I think not. I have the most votes by 8 or 9 votes... We have all seen a mis-lynch happen this way. I am trying to avoid a mis-lynch and how in the world can I "prove" it was a typo? I do see your point here. And I would prefer a richbeckman lynch (but I've already voted him). The only thing I can say is if you're telling the truth and are mislynched, today's voting record will be helpful.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:56:22 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 14, 2012 8:56:22 GMT -5
Wait wait wait...if we have two detective-confirmed docs, then isn't the game effectively over? As long as the docs self-protect every night, they can never be nightkilled. If they ride this out, we'll win.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:57:58 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 14, 2012 8:57:58 GMT -5
....errr, unless there are three or more scum remaining, and town mislynches ever Day. Forgot about that bit. Never mind...
Still, I think all docs should self-protect.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 8:59:09 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2012 8:59:09 GMT -5
i was suspicious of Ginger before but that suspicion has subsided. i prefer to
Vote: Richbeckman
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 9:02:57 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2012 9:02:57 GMT -5
....errr, unless there are three or more scum remaining, and town mislynches ever Day. Forgot about that bit. Never mind... Still, I think all docs should self-protect. i prefer that Archangel protects you and i protect Archangel.
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 9:09:23 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 14, 2012 9:09:23 GMT -5
Considering how the bandwagon has built on me, is it a overreaction, I think not. I have the most votes by 8 or 9 votes... We have all seen a mis-lynch happen this way. I am trying to avoid a mis-lynch and how in the world can I "prove" it was a typo? I do see your point here. And I would prefer a richbeckman lynch (but I've already voted him). The only thing I can say is if you're telling the truth and are mislynched, today's voting record will be helpful. As bad as it sounds I would be more cautious about the people NOT voting for me. Scum know my true alignment and know I am town and will gain some town credit when I am lynched. We all know that town can cause a mis-lynch all on our own!
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Day 11
Jul 14, 2012 9:22:25 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 14, 2012 9:22:25 GMT -5
JustbeingGinger, I'm putting you on the spot here but if you're town you won't mind.
Who do you think are scum? Do you think Richbeckman is town?
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