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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 14:17:58 GMT -5
It sounds like the Town got lucky to me. It's not the first time that a Mafiate has been lynched for referring to kills instead of lynches. Some of the tells that have got people lynched have been ridiculously slender; that's robust by comparison.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 14:48:21 GMT -5
I'm just saying, I've seen non-scum make the same 'slips' a lot too. You take the good luck when you can get it, sure, but slip pouncing is not something I see as particularly insightful, skilled, or particularly accurate.
Me not participating in nor reading that particular game may have something to do with my perspective.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 23, 2012 14:52:27 GMT -5
You've already heard from... Guiri? I forget who it was, but somebody already announced they bid 10 and didn't get the merc, so if I'm lying, somebody else out there has at least 11 votes on them and they haven't spoken up yet, not to save themselves and not to call me a liar. What are the odds of that, do you think? Quite high actually. As I read what Pollux said only those tied for the winning bid, in this case 12, would get votes against them:
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 14:53:11 GMT -5
I'm just saying, I've seen non-scum make the same 'slips' a lot too. You take the good luck when you can get it, sure, but slip pouncing is not something I see as particularly insightful, skilled, or particularly accurate. Me not participating in nor reading that particular game may have something to do with my perspective. Players do make slips, and when you see one you should evaluate whether that kind of slip is one a Mafiate is more likely to make than Town, rather than just discarding it. Unless, like me, you're really really bad at evaluation of that sort of slip. I won't be voting Lightfoot only on the ground of that particular post; I'd need more evidence. However, if I had two otherwise equal candidates, I might use it to decide between them.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 23, 2012 14:58:59 GMT -5
Pollux you said the following N0
Does that mean that the Peeker info in your Dawn post was Gastard Mod instigated rather than player instigated?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 23, 2012 15:11:40 GMT -5
" And if you are lying." Geez, I wonder how long I have to play this game before I learn to read EVERYTHING skeptically? All it takes is getting burned once or twice. The only reveals I trust are Mod reveals, for example, and I don't trust Masons until one of them dies and flips. Which we can also blame KidV for, come to think of it. I don't like the "Kills" vs. "Lynches" slip.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:12:21 GMT -5
You've already heard from... Guiri? I forget who it was, but somebody already announced they bid 10 and didn't get the merc, so if I'm lying, somebody else out there has at least 11 votes on them and they haven't spoken up yet, not to save themselves and not to call me a liar. What are the odds of that, do you think? Quite high actually. As I read what Pollux said only those tied for the winning bid, in this case 12, would get votes against them: We were discussing the possibility of my lying about having 12 hidden votes in order to make a sympathy play to get Mahaloth lynched. I explained that I think the odds of another player out there having won the bid and not countering my claim yet are probably fairly small. Are you sure you disagree with that assessment?
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:14:06 GMT -5
Which we can also blame KidV for, come to think of it. "Credit" KidV for, thankyouverymuch. I have not (yet) been responsible for any false mason claims. But you can credit me for bitching about them all you want.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 15:17:33 GMT -5
Which we can also blame KidV for, come to think of it. "Credit" KidV for, thankyouverymuch. I have not (yet) been responsible for any false mason claims. But you can credit me for bitching about them all you want. I think SisterC is conflating two games. The one where the Mafia (the Sons of Loki) made a false Mason claim was Ragnarok, run by Bufftabby and Total Ulla. (Come to think of it, weren't you the hidden Mafia investigator?) You're to blame for the Town having to lynch a known Townie over an outed Mafiate.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:18:12 GMT -5
And Super Mario Bro's or whatever that game was doesn't count. We were still town.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:20:39 GMT -5
The one where the Mafia (the Sons of Loki) made a false Mason claim was Ragnarok, run by Bufftabby and Total Ulla. (Come to think of it, weren't you the hidden Mafia investigator?) You're to blame for the Town having to lynch a known Townie over an outed Mafiate. No, I was a backup of some sort in Ragnarok. That's how I knew you bastards were lying about your Mason claim, because I'd earlier been confused about my role and claimed "mason-ish" and nobody countered. If you'd been real Masons you'd have counterclaimed and I knew it and I never should have let you bastidges get away with that. :mad: When did I force Town to lynch a Townie over a Scum? I don't remember that.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 15:20:51 GMT -5
Pollux you said the following N0Does that mean that the Peeker info in your Dawn post was Gastard Mod instigated rather than player instigated? I've had this same thought myself.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 15:21:53 GMT -5
Pollux you said the following N0Does that mean that the Peeker info in your Dawn post was Gastard Mod instigated rather than player instigated? I've had this same thought myself.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:23:12 GMT -5
More than once, even. Must have been a good thought.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 15:23:26 GMT -5
Hrm. Are we reaching the thread limit already? Both of my duplicate posts did now show up upon posting them as per the usual behavior.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 23, 2012 15:24:51 GMT -5
I've noticed a couple posts of mine have taken a couple seconds to show up, but if I hit refresh enough time they pop up eventually.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 15:31:56 GMT -5
No, I was a backup of some sort in Ragnarok. That's how I knew you bastards were lying about your Mason claim, because I'd earlier been confused about my role and claimed "mason-ish" and nobody countered. If you'd been real Masons you'd have counterclaimed and I knew it and I never should have let you bastidges get away with that. :mad: Who was Balder then? Alpha Centauri Mafia! *thwacks him over the head.* (SisterC, you might want to avoid clicking the next link.) Remember this?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 23, 2012 15:32:50 GMT -5
Day 1 Updated Vote Count
mahaloth (13 votes) - scathach, Pleonast, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Suburban Plankton, sinjin, Silver Jan, KidVermicious, richbeckman, storyteller0910, Colby11, guiri, BillMc, wombat99 Pleonast (7 votes) - Suburban Plankton, LaurieRN, KidVermicious, scathach, Meeko, crys, mahaloth Colby11 (3 votes) - patricia, storyteller0910, dizzymrslizzy dizzymrslizzy (2 votes) - Red Skeezix, Askthepizzaguy Inner Stickler (2 votes) - Parzival, Meeko crys (2 votes) - mahaloth, Red Skeezix CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1 vote) - peekercpa sinjin (1 vote) - Pleonast patricia (1 vote) - Colby11 Parzival (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Silver Jan (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie KidVermicious (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot Peekercpa (1 vote) - guiri
With these votes, mahaloth will be lynched.
Day ends in ~20.5 hours.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 23, 2012 15:35:38 GMT -5
I am of the assumption that the player who wins the merc is NOT the merc. That we can not kill the merc by voting someone who hired the merc and having the hiring player lynched. Correct? The Mercenary cannot bid on themselves. Pollux you said the following N0Does that mean that the Peeker info in your Dawn post was Gastard Mod instigated rather than player instigated? There were no Night actions on Night Zero aside from Mercenary bidding. Hrm. Are we reaching the thread limit already? Both of my duplicate posts did now show up upon posting them as per the usual behavior. I think the threshold for page wonkery is ~30 pages. I think we'll be okay since the Day's ending tomorrow. Me.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 15:39:01 GMT -5
That's a good point about the Proboards problem. It seems to be related to the size of the thread and the number of active participants. (In the cases I've seen, the thread was over 1,400 posts and there were a number of active users drafting posts.)
Pollux, you may want to take a text backup of the thread.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 15:41:46 GMT -5
Other conjecture on the Merc:
What if the Merc is ordered to kill him/herself by the winning bidder, unbeknownst to the winning bidder?
I do admit that the Mod statement quoted by Sinjin above combined with the timing of the information about Peeker in the Dawn post has made it tempting to see Peeker through a Merc-y prism (heh). Could he be the Merc? The color of Deadpool would fit, but that's circumstantial. Maybe Peeker is only able to conditionally bid on the Merc and the condition was that some bit of his role would be exposed? Maybe Peeker's role has to bid on the Merc or else face the consequence of the Mod sharing some tidbit of his role, and he opted to take the exposure vs adding to the risk of getting lynched?
But as it is a Gastard game, I've been trying to set those thoughts aside for now as they could very well be extremely wrong.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 23, 2012 15:47:16 GMT -5
Pollux, you may want to take a text backup of the thread. I dunno how to do that. But the first Day of Arkham 2 got to 37 pages without a problem, so I don't think it'll be a problem. To the newer people: In the Firefly game on this board (one of the first games) the first Day ended up with 40+ pages, crashed the board, and we lost a good chunk of the middle of the Day due to verbosity. I don't want that to happen here, but I think we're okay. (Just glad Roosh isn't here.)
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 15:59:43 GMT -5
Day 1 of Arkham 2 ran to just over 1,000 posts. Day 1 of Firefly ran to over 1,400 posts, and lost nearly 600 in the crash.
To take a text backup, go to the top (or botton) of any page and click on the "Print" button in the right-hand corner. This brings up a text version of the thread. It can be saved as a .txt file, but remember to give it a descriptive name.
I'll make a copy just in case.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 23, 2012 15:59:44 GMT -5
With respect to Kidv's claimed bid-votes for the merc... In the rules, Pollux says he will not lie to us.... Day 1 Updated Vote Countmahaloth (11 votes) - scathach, Pleonast, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Suburban Plankton, sinjin, Parzival, Silver Jan, KidVermicious, richbeckman, storyteller0910, Colby11 Pleonast (7 votes) - sinjin, Suburban Plankton, LaurieRN, KidVermicious, scathach, Red Skeezix, Meeko Colby11 (3 votes) - patricia, storyteller0910, dizzymrslizzy dizzymrslizzy (2 votes) - Red Skeezix, Askthepizzaguy Inner Stickler (2 votes) - Parzival, Meeko CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1 vote) - peekercpa sinjin (1 vote) - Pleonast patricia (1 vote) - Colby11 Parzival (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Silver Jan (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie KidVermicious (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie With these votes, mahaloth will be lynched. so just taking this vote count as an example, if KidV is being truthful with having 12 penalty votes....isn't pollux lying to us saying mahaloth will be lynched?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 16:06:30 GMT -5
Not if Mahaloth has additional votes that aren't reflected in the vote count, maybe?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 23, 2012 16:10:31 GMT -5
With respect to Kidv's claimed bid-votes for the merc...
In the rules, Pollux says he will not lie to us....
so just taking this vote count as an example, if KidV is being truthful with having 12 penalty votes....isn't pollux lying to us saying mahaloth will be lynched? Pollux has also said that the winning bidder's votes will not be revealed unless that player gets lynched.(Emphasis mine.) I interpret the italicised text to mean that the votes will only be revealed in the Dusk tally, and then only if they change who would be lynched based on the public vote count.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 23, 2012 16:21:36 GMT -5
Rich, I am getting the tiniest little ping, more like a pi-, that you are bringing that NK up as an example, and forgetting that later in that same game, Ginger was lynched for a very similar slip and she was Town. Speaking of Ginger - we have not heard from her yet.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 23, 2012 16:26:41 GMT -5
<snip>The color of Deadpool would fit<snip> I do not understand "the color of Deadpool". What is meant by "color"?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 16:34:54 GMT -5
In the comic canon, Deadpool is a mercinary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeadpoolThat is a flimsy thing to base conjecture on though, as canon does not necessarily mean anything when it comes to how Mods design the roles that go along with the names. And even when there might be a correlation between the alignment/powers and canon of various players in the game, that doesn't mean the correlation is applicable to all of the roles. Mods can and will switch things up to prevent the game from being broken open.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 23, 2012 16:48:08 GMT -5
Other conjecture on the Merc: What if the Merc is ordered to kill him/herself by the winning bidder, unbeknownst to the winning bidder? I do admit that the Mod statement quoted by Sinjin above combined with the timing of the information about Peeker in the Dawn post has made it tempting to see Peeker through a Merc-y prism (heh). Could he be the Merc? The color of Deadpool would fit, but that's circumstantial. Maybe Peeker is only able to conditionally bid on the Merc and the condition was that some bit of his role would be exposed? Maybe Peeker's role has to bid on the Merc or else face the consequence of the Mod sharing some tidbit of his role, and he opted to take the exposure vs adding to the risk of getting lynched? But as it is a Gastard game, I've been trying to set those thoughts aside for now as they could very well be extremely wrong. One more to finish the train of thought, if the Merc is not simply a puppet with no free will, perhaps there are consequences to that free will like, Peeker the hypothetical Merc could opt to preemptively override the whole bidding mechanic for a cycle, but that came at the cost of having something divulged about him at Dawn. That wouldn't really fit with KidV's PM stating that he'd won the bidding, but who knows how such things would be queued for reconciling actions and outcomes.
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