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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 2, 2012 1:01:18 GMT -5
The rule is no offboard strategy. Lightfoot didn't violate that so everyone can take their fucks and calm it down. The game mod can determine what's rulebreaking. IMO offboard stuff is only rulebreaking if it talks about a game and thats banned at the same time. Prodding someone to play shouldn't be considered a rulebreak. I found it interesting that Lightfoot would choose to focus this prodding on Ginger and Ginger would show up just as she's being voted and made the topic of discussion. Now, it's also quite possible we have someone who didn't read their role PM and is innocent of everything and guilty only of bad timing. Welp, I can hardly do jack in this game. This is the one thing I do know how to do, which is figure out if Ginger is townie, or scum, within the next two rounds. And since a conclusion can be reached whether I live or die, I need to get people's attention about it so that they understand what the results mean should I die. If Ginger is guilty, then perhaps I just got lucky. If she's innocent at least I didn't drag the lynch down a stupid path. Speaking of the lynch- I believe now is the time to choose between the nominated candidates. And if we want the person with the merc to actually survive this round, I suggest we decide, we decide now, and we move our votes now, so the merc person does not have to die or be outed. I am not willing to lynch KidV. I am not willing to lynch me. I am not enthusiastic about lynching Pleonast and I think it is a waste of time. I am not sure about a case on Colby but I have no specific reason to oppose the lynch. I would participate if these were the only four options. Who else... Meeko- I think this is a lousy option as well. Rich Beckman- I like his contributions but have zero read on whether or not he's townie. I have no lean, and as such, he's right up there with Colby in the "at least we're not lynching _blank_" category. Thats still a meh reason to lynch someone. Ginger, well, I could always see if I am that lucky sooner rather than later, but I want to see if I can actually use my power for good. Inner Stickler, thats a big blank from me. Lightfoot, could be scummy. Particularly if Ginger is. But wait and see. Crys, BillMc- both folks I've randomly voted on no case, and as such, I am obviously willing to back thi s nomination to its fullest and permanent conclusion. Unless they can tell me why they shouldn't die. Guiri- no opinion. I won't argue to put a wagon on anyone in the no opinion column, and given such a bleh collection of suspects, I'd almost be willing to wager we're shooting blanks on the whole bunch. But if there are several hostile forces in this game, the odds alone would suggest we have a decent chance that a scumbag has votes on them. So, ladies and gentlemen.... who should we lynch today. Who, indeed. __________________________________________ Pondering, pondering, pondering. My list of folks I'd be willing to lynch today, in order of willingness to lynch. Of those nominated.1. BillMc 2. Crys 3. Colby 4. Inner Stickler 6. Guiri 7. Rich Beckman Now for the bonus fun money. Folks I'd be willing to lynch who haven't been nominated! 1. Red Skeezix 2. Silver Jan 3. Scathach 4. gnarlycharlie Make the bandwagon happen and I shall climb aboards.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 2, 2012 1:10:10 GMT -5
Reminder we've got like 10 hours or whatever to decide this thing and we need a big ole wagon.
And since time is of the essence, I vote that we now give immediately emergency powers to the supreme Chancellor.
I will randomly pick someone I think is townie to help us decide.
KidV, or Meeko, whoever responds first. Who should we lynch today?
You want a wagon led by a townie, I feel this is the best method of creating one in the half-day remaining.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 2, 2012 1:13:38 GMT -5
Yes, of course I did something different, I didn't place 12 votes for the merc and then beg players to save me and then waste an investigation. If you aren't scum then I think there is a strong possibility that you are a hostile 3rd party and maybe staying alive is part of your wincon. You're having trouble reading for comprehension, I guess. You voted me after I revealed that I protected. I asked: "Those of you that have placed votes on me since I revealed that I self-protected, could you explain exactly what it is that you think I did that's so Anti-Town? I knew I had a target on my back, I had to choose between investigating and maybe being killed, or protecting and maybe wasting a chance to investigate. I chose. Are you all seriously saying that you'd have done something different?" In other words, put yourself in the position of being able to investigate or protect, but knowing that everybody knows you have those two options, and then tell me that my choice was anti-Town. That IS why you waited until after my reveal to vote me, right? Or was there another reason you waited all Day? Perhaps I do have trouble reading for comprehension but I also find it difficult to put myself in your shoes because I don't understand why you did what you did. You had a chance to investigate which you paid for and then wasted it IMHO. You could have taken a chance on a protective role protecting you and then you could have given us some results but instead you chose to protect yourself thereby wasting the merc. It smacks too much of 3rd Party or PFK for my liking. Pizza, I just wonder if you have changed your mind about JBG now that you know she wasn't lurking (as per the mods post) or do you still find it fishy?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 2, 2012 1:14:22 GMT -5
Argh, cross posting.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 2, 2012 1:22:09 GMT -5
The game mod can determine what's rulebreaking. If the rules say chocolate tarts are forbidden and someone spots Lightfoot with a lemon custard, you hardly need a mod to call it.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 2, 2012 1:38:26 GMT -5
Pizza, I just wonder if you have changed your mind about JBG now that you know she wasn't lurking (as per the mods post) or do you still find it fishy? This is firmly in the realm metagaming at this point and as such im not as comfortable with it. I really shouldn't know what she was doing "as per the mod" but you know, if I'm a game host, and one of my scumbags isn't doing their job because they haven't read their PM, then I begin asking how I can contact said player. If I'm Lightfoot with a vested interest in getting Ginger back into the game, I send a message to the facebook. However, there's no reason it MUST be that way. This could all be innocent. As such, since it's my hunch, I'll do what I must to clear her name or condemn her with what little power I have. I would say the odds I'm right are reduced somewhat, but not to a degree where I think I'm wasting my time going through with my plans.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 2, 2012 1:40:07 GMT -5
If the rules say chocolate tarts are forbidden and someone spots Lightfoot with a lemon custard, you hardly need a mod to call it. I wasn't playing arbiter, I was actually saying it wasn't my matter and I didn't care unless it was a really egregious rulebreak that compromised the game.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 2, 2012 2:14:58 GMT -5
Did a re-read of the round.
I have an odd theory I want to share with you guys:
1) There's a lot more third parties in this game than standard. 2) Many of them can become town. 3) Many of them are hostile and cannot become town. 4) Someone is running around stubbing toes, infecting with viruses, and causing mental instability. 5) Of those, the one that is more likely to be a good thing for town, is actually....
........(drumroll).....The mental instability. (!) Surprise?
Here's the thing. I'm crazy as a loon, and as townie as they'll ever come. And I'm also not responsible for making other people crazy (in-game, not IRL... I bet IRL I'm driving you all nuts right now).
My first thought was that crazy people would be more dangerous, less townie, etc.... but this is a very weird game, and I'm a perfectly townie, otherwise normal, completely crazy person.
This game is going to be effing with your expectations a bit, is what I'm thinking.
Pollux Oil took a bunch of crazy roles and this game is going to be a madhouse. But I'm thinking that the madhouse will be full of townies.
If anyone has reason to believe (or know) this is wrong, tell me.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 2, 2012 2:33:43 GMT -5
I understand that if he [Pleo] is not hostile that he is a warm body when heads are counted- but- is it worth it? This raised a red flag with me, because I don't know the answer, not having read the Mafia wincon. (At this stage I'm still assuming there is a Mafia.) It's by no means certain that third party nonhostiles count against the Mafia wincon. It depends how the wincon is written. Pleo (to name but one) seems convinced that 3P NH players don't count towards the wincon, but if his claim is accurate then it's in his interest to suggest to Mafia that killing him is a waste of a Nightkill. Vote: LightFoot It's enough to stand out in a Day that hasn't produced a firm suspicion.
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Post by guiri on Oct 2, 2012 4:38:42 GMT -5
KidV, or Meeko, whoever responds first. Who should we lynch today? KidV and Meeko are both voting Pleo, I guess that's who they want to lynch. I think Pleo is still in the lead with 6 votes, KidV has 5, Meeko & Colby have 4, Pizza is on 3, and several others have 1 or 2. I suspect at least 10 votes are required to ensure the lynch leader is lynched over the winner of the mercenary. Both my suspects are on two votes apiece. Right now I'm not inclined to lynch KidV, am neutral about Meeko and Pizza, and willing to move my votes to any of the other candidates.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 2, 2012 7:26:08 GMT -5
Did a re-read of the round. I have an odd theory I want to share with you guys: 1) There's a lot more third parties in this game than standard. 2) Many of them can become town. 3) Many of them are hostile and cannot become town. 4) Someone is running around stubbing toes, infecting with viruses, and causing mental instability. 5) Of those, the one that is more likely to be a good thing for town, is actually.... ........(drumroll).....The mental instability. (!) Surprise? Here's the thing. I'm crazy as a loon, and as townie as they'll ever come. And I'm also not responsible for making other people crazy (in-game, not IRL... I bet IRL I'm driving you all nuts right now). My first thought was that crazy people would be more dangerous, less townie, etc.... but this is a very weird game, and I'm a perfectly townie, otherwise normal, completely crazy person. This game is going to be effing with your expectations a bit, is what I'm thinking. Pollux Oil took a bunch of crazy roles and this game is going to be a madhouse. But I'm thinking that the madhouse will be full of townies. If anyone has reason to believe (or know) this is wrong, tell me. I have reason to think that you are right about the number of 3rd party players. And suspect as much about the amount of recruitment. Why? I know how many town players there were walking into night 1. How do I know? Its says so right here in my magic bag... See it says it right there: 7. Also, sorry about the confusion with votes. All the posts begin to merge together after a while. unvote Pizza
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Post by guiri on Oct 2, 2012 7:39:45 GMT -5
Red, you're saying that the game started with 7 town members out of 29 players? Really?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 2, 2012 8:49:10 GMT -5
Looks like.
Also, I totally heard Red's post in Glados' voice for some reason.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 9:02:57 GMT -5
Man, three pages already and everyone is still posting about the same things. I not sure I believe the whole pleo role post - but I'm pretty sure he is 3rd party and not scum therefore, should we leave him be for now and see if we can hunt up a scum or two? I still feel that colby11 was acting scummy when he came down on me in day 1 for posting a math problem and talking about being new. This is my 2nd game and most of the talk about passed games is all over my head and the roles is this game are well colorful for sure. As for the math problem (and I wish I knew how to do the quote boxes everyone is using) what i said was to the effect of - this game is as insane as the math problems my son was asking for help with at the time maybe my vote on colby was knee jerk - but I still feel it was scummy on his part and I may vote for him today as well. As for others - should we not look at ginger as a good choice for lynch? she has yet to post once in this game and it is my understanding that non players are bad for town either if they turn out to be town or scum? Just to clarify with things, this is the first time I am mentioned in this game so Pizza, this is when "interest" first came about. Back to reading
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 9:11:40 GMT -5
Man, three pages already and everyone is still posting about the same things. I not sure I believe the whole pleo role post - but I'm pretty sure he is 3rd party and not scum therefore, should we leave him be for now and see if we can hunt up a scum or two? I still feel that colby11 was acting scummy when he came down on me in day 1 for posting a math problem and talking about being new. This is my 2nd game and most of the talk about passed games is all over my head and the roles is this game are well colorful for sure. As for the math problem (and I wish I knew how to do the quote boxes everyone is using) what i said was to the effect of - this game is as insane as the math problems my son was asking for help with at the time maybe my vote on colby was knee jerk - but I still feel it was scummy on his part and I may vote for him today as well. As for others - should we not look at ginger as a good choice for lynch? she has yet to post once in this game and it is my understanding that non players are bad for town either if they turn out to be town or scum? Shrug I was just worried that your math problem could be something that could help you win the game. I am super paranoid that we have a bunch of 3rd party players simply because of the fact that all dead and claimed players so far are 3rd party. Ginger- I am tempted to vote for her just to get her out of the game, and focus more on players that are playing. Pleonast could have investigated her (if his claim is true, I don't believe it at the moment), so it might be best to hold off until after today. Now Colby this is ONLY Day 2 and you want me out of the game already? ? I understand the whole non participating part, but it is a little extreme to say you want me out of the game early on into Day 2? ? As a townie, I would never want to possible mis-lynch someone who might be a townie as well even if they are not participating at first, I learned my lesson with lynching Captain sir drink mix a lot for being a non-participant. A non-participating townie is still somewhat good for town, it is a place to have the power roles hide in...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 9:15:12 GMT -5
Man, if it was as simple as posting a math problem - then I wouldn't be so totally lost. Is it the general feeling that they are a lot more 3rd parties left? I would think that field would be pretty thin by now. Being that this is your 2nd game, why would you think that the pool of 3rd parties is thin? At this point we have one lynched and one so called claimed 3rd party...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 9:36:44 GMT -5
vote askthepizzaguyVote: Crys Vote: BillMcThere's no case. I choose you for randomly being scum. Die or convince me otherwise. I would unvote and vote for Ginger today, for the record. And I'm sorry Ginger if you're townie and this would prevent you from really playing. Unfortunately scum do that wayyy too much and the timing was too convenient there for a red flag not to be raised. ATTENTIONSorry, I know this is obnoxious and I promise you I'll only do it very rarely when it's really important. I have a very strong lean on Ginger as being scum at present. However, I have a method of handling it which guarantees no mistakes. This method will take precisely two rounds to complete, and if I am incorrect, no harm, no foul. Please give me two rounds (day and night, day and night) to do my thing. If at the end of these two rounds I am dead and Ginger still exists, that is inconclusive. If at the end of these two rounds Ginger is dead, either the scums killed her first, or she was scum. End of story. Your votes are pure BS, as you freely admit. Your case against JustBeingGinger is also BS, though you don't admit that. You do mention that you would unvote and vote for Ginger today, yet you don't...but you don't offer any explanation for this. Your 'master plan' is BS, as it involves leaving you and Ginger alone for two more Days and Nights, after which one or both of you may or may not be proven to be Scum. So, to sum up, I call BS. vote Inner SticklerI don't have any particular posts to point to here at the present time; this one is a 'gut feeling' vote.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 2, 2012 9:44:06 GMT -5
*sends plankton a carton of Activia*
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 2, 2012 9:45:07 GMT -5
Did a re-read of the round. I have an odd theory I want to share with you guys: 1) There's a lot more third parties in this game than standard. 2) Many of them can become town. 3) Many of them are hostile and cannot become town. 4) Someone is running around stubbing toes, infecting with viruses, and causing mental instability. 5) Of those, the one that is more likely to be a good thing for town, is actually.... ........(drumroll).....The mental instability. (!) Surprise? Here's the thing. I'm crazy as a loon, and as townie as they'll ever come. And I'm also not responsible for making other people crazy (in-game, not IRL... I bet IRL I'm driving you all nuts right now). My first thought was that crazy people would be more dangerous, less townie, etc.... but this is a very weird game, and I'm a perfectly townie, otherwise normal, completely crazy person. This game is going to be effing with your expectations a bit, is what I'm thinking. Pollux Oil took a bunch of crazy roles and this game is going to be a madhouse. But I'm thinking that the madhouse will be full of townies. If anyone has reason to believe (or know) this is wrong, tell me. ATPG seems to be on to something, in light of Red Skeezix's magic bag. Regarding #4 - it could be a player causing those bad things to happen, or it could be a game mechanic. Perhaps it is a linkage of some sort based on Night actions. One player's characteristics (cursing, virus, etc.) could be passed to another without either side being aware that it was happening, for example.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 9:53:33 GMT -5
I believe now is the time to choose between the nominated candidates. And if we want the person with the merc to actually survive this round, I suggest we decide, we decide now, and we move our votes now, so the merc person does not have to die or be outed. <rather large snip> Make the bandwagon happen and I shall climb aboards. Why would we necessarily want 'the person with the merc' to survive the round? Are you that certain they are Town? I understand the thinking that the Scum would be less likely to require the services of the merc, and also less likely to be willing to risk their lives by voting for him, so the odds are that the merc was won by someone who is non-Scum. But what you seem to be saying here is that we need to pick a target (any one of 11 names you mention, it doesn't matter which one) and bandwagon them in order to save the 'unknown merc person'. Something about that just doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by guiri on Oct 2, 2012 9:55:43 GMT -5
Just over 2 hours left in the Day and I'm the lynch leader. I bid 8 votes for the mercenary, just like yesterDay, and won. And I have one vote, from Lightfoot, so unless people want to see me lynched, we need at least 10 votes on someone else. Sorry to have to claim, I was holding out hoping there would be some vote movement.
Unvote all
Vote Pleo Vote Colby
KidV, the PM I received this morning with the list of powers also included the message I posted earlier about being cursed. It was vague on whether the two were related, did you get a message about being cursed when you won the merc?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 9:59:54 GMT -5
I still have about 10 pages to read... Time is ticking and I want to get my votes in.
Vote Patricia Vote Colby
I really don't like the let's lynch Ginger early on Day 2... I may change my vote after further reading but I wanted to vote.
Oh dear Mod, did I get a penalty vote because I didn't vote Day 1? Just wondering
Guess I could go read the rules, but with 10 more pages of posts to go through, my brain may explode...
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Post by patricia on Oct 2, 2012 10:03:38 GMT -5
I have a question if one of the old timers could answer soon that would be great!
PS old in terms of games played only ..lol
Anyway, do all the scum know all the other scum are at the beginning? or do they learn who each other are when they post?
The reason I ask is re: Ginger
If light and ginger are RL or game friends would she have nudged her sooner as she was missing the game and getting way behind?
If they are both on the same team ie- scum since town has no clue as to teammates - then her nudge looks like they are both scum (and maybe inner as well)
or it just odd timing on light part and Ginger who has played several game just (forgot) this one?
or maybe they are some other group like masons who know who the other are?
need some help here from peoples with lots of different games played
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 10:06:53 GMT -5
Just over 2 hours left in the Day and I'm the lynch leader. I bid 8 votes for the mercenary, just like yesterDay, and won. And I have one vote, from Lightfoot, so unless people want to see me lynched, we need at least 10 votes on someone else. Sorry to have to claim, I was holding out hoping there would be some vote movement. Unvote allVote Pleo Vote ColbyKidV, the PM I received this morning with the list of powers also included the message I posted earlier about being cursed. It was vague on whether the two were related, did you get a message about being cursed when you won the merc? Unvote Patricia - Not that I am saying I think you are not scum, you're still on my suspicious list, but I am not willing at this point for Guiri to be lynched. Not saying I know his alignment or being hostile or not. I do know Guiri is a good scum hunter and I am not willing to see him get lynched. With Pleo being a 3rd party I am more willing to see him go. Yes, Pleo was upfront on his alignment and role, if we choose to believe him, but he also claimed early in the last game I played and turned out to be scum. Vote Pleo
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Post by patricia on Oct 2, 2012 10:09:07 GMT -5
anyone know what page the last vote count is on?
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Post by patricia on Oct 2, 2012 10:11:59 GMT -5
I also feel that guiri is town so I will be changing my vote to help as soon as I find the vote count
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 2, 2012 10:12:29 GMT -5
Just over 2 hours left in the Day and I'm the lynch leader. I bid 8 votes for the mercenary, just like yesterDay, and won. And I have one vote, from Lightfoot, so unless people want to see me lynched, we need at least 10 votes on someone else. Sorry to have to claim, I was holding out hoping there would be some vote movement. Unvote allVote Pleo Vote ColbyKidV, the PM I received this morning with the list of powers also included the message I posted earlier about being cursed. It was vague on whether the two were related, did you get a message about being cursed when you won the merc? I agree that guiri is not a good lynch Today. Vote: Pleo
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 2, 2012 10:13:05 GMT -5
Vote count is back a few pages. Like 14 I think.
I'm not ready to jump on the Colby bandwagon right now. I felt it YesterDay, but not ToDay.
And um now it's Tuesday and Pleo has been MIA for a couple of days. So those who said he doesn't post on Weekends, now it's not the Weekend....What say you now?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 10:13:15 GMT -5
I have a question if one of the old timers could answer soon that would be great! PS old in terms of games played only ..lol Anyway, do all the scum know all the other scum are at the beginning? or do they learn who each other are when they post? The reason I ask is re: Ginger If light and ginger are RL or game friends would she have nudged her sooner as she was missing the game and getting way behind? If they are both on the same team ie- scum since town has no clue as to teammates - then her nudge looks like they are both scum (and maybe inner as well) or it just odd timing on light part and Ginger who has played several game just (forgot) this one? or maybe they are some other group like masons who know who the other are? need some help here from peoples with lots of different games played Scum generally know who all of the other Scum are. The same generally goes for Masons. But there have been instances where this has not been the case (more often with Masons than Scum). In this case, it looks like LightFoot, who has a history with Ginger on Facebook, simply posted a "hey, somebody tell Ginger that she has a game she' supposed to be playing" message there. The communication seems to be based on their OOG relationship, and not based on any relationship they might have in this particular game. They might be Scum together. They might be Masons together. They might be a Vanilla Townie and a Serial Killer. We don't know, and we've run this line of questioning into the ground.
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Post by guiri on Oct 2, 2012 10:13:26 GMT -5
Thank you Ginger. anyone know what page the last vote count is on? Page 14. Unofficially I make it: Guiri (9): Lightfoot(310) Pleo (8): Meeko(42), KidV(43), Colby(73), Laurie(277), Lightfoot(310), Parzival(333), Guiri(500), Ginger(503) Colby (6): Bill(328), Patricia(348), Inner(358), Rich(467), Guiri(500), Ginger(501) KidV (5): Sinjin(344), Patricia(347), Cookies(352), Crys(356), Silver(360) Meeko (4): Sister(123), Pleo(139), Crys(303), Inner(405) Pizza (3): Meeko(101-214), Penalty(256), Laurie(277-371), Dizzy(280), Crys(303-355), Red(477-490), Suburban(496) Ginger (2): Penalty(0), Parzival(333), Cookies(392-400)Crys (2): Pizza(255), Red(477) Inner (2): Dizzy(219), Suburban(496) Bill (1): Pizza(255) Rich (1): Guiri(246-500), Wombat(301) Lightfoot (1): Guiri(246-500), MHaye(488) Patricia (0): Ginger(501-503)Not Voting (3): Gnarly, Story, Scathach
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