Meeko
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Post by Meeko on Oct 2, 2012 11:27:44 GMT -5
And I have to leave work. Here Inner, is this what you were looking for? Well done, you're about to lynch the doc. Stay away from rabbits. "" I hate shoes, but only of the are smileys, only if they are coot widdle bunnys "" But seriously, that's how I read the avoid bunnies line. It's off by itself, a mallet to the head would be less obvious IMHO.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 2, 2012 11:28:02 GMT -5
Well, bloody hell.
Unvote Meeko
vote: pleo
I'm sorry, Pleo, and I don't think you should be lynched but I'd rather keep a claimed Doc alive for the time being.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 2, 2012 11:28:24 GMT -5
grr.
vote: pleo
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 2, 2012 11:29:45 GMT -5
What? You can't validate my claim that I'm town? You can't validate that my designation is hostile? Unfortunately, my power cannot be validated so you've got me there. I get the greedy bit, I'd call it stupidity in hindsight, but the rest is crap. Not if you don't say something beforehand else you'd just agree with whatever the investigation says. Pleo has not demonstrated anti-town behavior, despite what you all say. Guiri has upset the voting apple cart at the last moment and now he's claiming doc, a role generally considered to be useful that he has gambled on an 8 vote bid for the merc. Poor play.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 2, 2012 11:30:30 GMT -5
Unvote: guiri
Vote: colby
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 11:33:07 GMT -5
VOTE JBGThe entire I'm lurking or am I. You know, getyourassoverhere-gate. If this is not a BS vote, I don't know what is... I never said I might be lurking or I might be not.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 2, 2012 11:40:41 GMT -5
Updated Day 2 Vote Count
Pleonast (11 votes) - Meeko, KidVermicious, Colby11, LaurieRN, Lightfoot, Parzival, guiri, JustBeingGinger, wombat99, storyteller0910, Sister Coyote Colby11 (6 votes) - BillMc, patricia, Rich Beckman, guiri, JustBeingGinger, Inner Stickler KidVermicious (5 votes) - sinjin, patricia, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, crys, SilverJan JustBeingGinger (4 votes) - Penalty Vote, Parzival, Inner Stickler, Meeko Askthepizzaguy (3 votes) - Penalty Vote, dizzymrslizzy, Suburban Plankton Inner Stickler (3 votes) - dizzymrslizzy, Suburban Plankton, storyteller0910 Meeko (2 votes) - Pleonast, crys Crys (2 votes) - askthepizzaguy, Red Skeezix guiri (1 vote) - Lightfoot Richbeckman (1 vote) - wombat99 Lightfoot (1 vote) - Merestil Haye BillMc (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy
With these votes, Pleonast will be lynched.
Day ends in ~20 minutes.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 2, 2012 11:41:26 GMT -5
So Meeko answer me this, The Mod stated that I had not even OPENED my PM with my role until yesterday. Why would one lurk for 1 day and 2 nights without even knowing their role? What would be the objective?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 2, 2012 11:41:42 GMT -5
Pollux, I count four votes for Ginger?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 2, 2012 11:48:22 GMT -5
Pollux, I count four votes for Ginger? So do I? ;D (You saw nothing. Tricks of the eyes. Yes, that's it. Tricks of the eyes.)
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:16 GMT -5
I got slammed at work yesterday, so didn't get a chance to post. I'm reading through now and responding as I read.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:23 GMT -5
Not really, it doesn't matter to me. I'll win whether or not I complete an investigation. And all of them actively participating would be very helpful to town. It's just lynching one of them when their post counts remain low is not useful when I'll get a full investigation ToNight. I could reveal now who I investigated and the result, but then we lose the chance to get reactions from them. You will win, or town will win? Your slip is showing, Pleo. Um, I win depending on where I end up in the post counts. Town wins when all the hostiles are eliminated. I'm not sure why you're pointing that out now, since I disclosed my victory conditions a long time ago.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:28 GMT -5
finally home from work Sorry if I'm repetitive, but I do not think asking a player to justify why they think their own votes help town is unreasonable. It should not be hard to complete "I think Player is hostile because..." when you're voting for that player, and refusal to do so indicates to me that the voter does not have a pro-town motivation. That small snippet of my post is all you respond to… You could have enlightened us with your response to some of the other observations ( It could have helped your post count) [/sarc] In the post I quoted you complained my posts being noisy, so forgive me for not rehashing a question I've already answered.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:34 GMT -5
Pizza is being very enigmatic again, saying he has information that is good for Town but can't tell Town what it is. This goes against everything I have ever thought about Mafia. The more Town knows the better off they are. Two people want us to trust them, Pleo and Pizza and yet they want us to do it blindly. Do you see the inherent contradiction here? I gave players all the information I have about my role. And yet you are suspicious of me, apparently because I shared my information? I have an investigation result. I will reveal it ToNight, so that the players I might have investigated cannot change how much they've posted. That's leveraging the information I have to gain a marginal extra amount of information. There's no cost to delaying the information. It's an easy call.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:41 GMT -5
If you'd read what I've been writing, you'd have noticed that I'm not asking anyone to trust me. With all due respect, you are in fact asking us to trust you. I'm saying that 1) it's a mislynch to lynch me and a miskill to kill me, and 2) town would be stupid to disregard my investigations. What you refuse to acknowledge is that point 1 is only true if you are nonhostile third party, and we have only your unsupported word for that. You have offered no objective evidence at all that this is the case. As the game develops we might hope to see some objective evidence that you are telling the truth. But right now, you're asking us to take your word for it, and failing to acknowledge this. That failure is counting against you in my book. No, I am not asking for trust. Please quote me where you think I am. As Cookies put it very eloquently, I am asking for the benefit of a doubt. Early in the game, there is no evidence that any player is not hostile. To think that, because I revealed my role early, I need to prove I am not hostile immediately is silly. No player can do that right now. If you want to penalize players who reveal information early with no prove of their motivations, it's your choice. But the town needs information. To forgo it simply because there's no proof is a path to scum winning.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:47 GMT -5
Can we get a show of hands from people who are affronted at the hypothetical idea of a Town player receiving information via a power (either their own or by receiving a message sent by another power) but being selective about how much of that information they share and when? Meeko, and SilverJan and at least one other person that I can't recall off-hand are apparently on that list. I've done it as a Town player. I've played in games where other Town players do it. It is not a foreign concept to me and I'm pretty sure it is not a foreign concept to some other players in this game. As such, it is going to be difficult to convince critical mass that it is anything more than a null tell. Perhaps it would help to think of this sort of information as an extension of a game-starting role PM from the Mod. You aren't demanding that everyone in the game should post a full role claim, even though you don't know what those roles involve, and even though it would be really handy to know that information, right? So why is this different? When people make partial role-claims in a closed set-up, there are people who don't like that too. I don't happen to be one of those people, with the caveat that not all partial claims are equal and if something stinks or starts to stink down the road as more data is collected, I'll certainly put pressure on for full transparency. But I think making policy votes like "no partial claims/shares of any kind ever" limits people's options of play and I see no reason to put such limits in place preemptively. I feel this way in spite of the fact that the Town needs information in order to make better decisions, because information that Scum doesn't know can also be helpful to Town. With respect, Cookies, you don't get it. At least not my part. Pleonast could have a role "You are vanilla." And that could be it. Pleonast would claim it on day one. He would act high and mighty, elitist, condescending. Holier than thou, with an arrogant aire about him. that is what gets me. He demands and monopolizes any game he is in. Now, if he has the audacity to take the entire game hostage until we meet the ransom, that is a thousand times worse, Players are going to be indifferent to his actions, one hundred thousand times worse. I'm not going to say they are stupid, but if I am too paranoid, you guys are too ...... Simple. Players start drinking Pleonast's wine, one million times worse. This most often takes the role of giving him space and time..... No pressure. In short, it's not the letter of law claiming that he does, it's the spirit. He acts on the role in a way that WILL ALWAYS BE ANTI TOWN.... PERIOD. You guys thought you were playing this game, you are instead now playing my game. How? I'm glad you asked. Let me put in the foundation here by claiming, and I will sit back and give you instructions on how build the house for Tow.... Er I mean me and my exclusive ends. If Pleonast is in a game, he will be anti town. If anyone needed confirmation that Meeko is not motivated by the town's win condition, there it is.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:52 GMT -5
Only if you think he's going to be able to pull of some sort of solo win and end the game within the first few Days. I find that highly unlikely. I don't think you have to accept that he will necessarily steal a win in the first few Days. If he's lying, he may just require that time to do something. We can trust him or not as to whether he has Town interests at heart. That's a true statement about any player. Any player could be taking the first several Days to do something. The fact that I've revealed information about my role does not change that.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:51:57 GMT -5
I believe that Rich is trying to portray himself as a helpless newbie, when that's not strictly true. Looking through his posts, I snipped out parts where he is putting himself down or downplaying his abilities. We have several players in this game who picked up the game starting with Marathon, and Rich is the only one who is proclaiming his newbieness loudly and often. The question is - why would he be doing this? Possibly so he can actively lurk and get away without scum-hunting (see also guiri's case). Bottom line - this is a change in playstyle from Marathon; I know from that game that Rich is smart and a good player, second game or not; and he's trying to appear otherwise. Vote: Rich Beckman That is a good case. The trouble is that Rich was scum in that game. So a fundamental change in play style would indicate that they're not in this game.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:04 GMT -5
On every single other forum I play on, editing posts for grammar and spelling, nobody cares about. I continue to fail to see what it has to do with mafia, and old habits die very hard. I am too anxious to post, and I am a chronic editor. The problem is we don't what was changed. Editing can be use to give information to some players, but not others, depending who was online to see the first version of a post. That kind of unauthorized, hidden communication among players is against the rules.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:12 GMT -5
So where is Pleo....Did he disappear and forget to get his post count up. You know it wouldn't be "hard" to block his Win con if it's as written....if we cared to. Just couldn't resist the chance to sling some mud, could you?
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:18 GMT -5
For guiri- et al I start each game ( or try to ) with every player having a clean slate- if this is what you always do- it’s not pinged my ( faulty at best) radar in the past.AIR To see something that is out of line and bring it up is what we do. But your posts are selective in the bits you choose to “pick” out Some players have had meat in their sandwiches and you pull out the pickle to comment on. There's nothing wrong with being selective. It's impossible for every player to comment on the entirety of each post. So we pick out what we think is important and comment on that.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:26 GMT -5
@pleo: yes I read the second part of your post. The threat of being investigated is a rather flimsy excuse. Everyone is subject to investigation - the fact that you may have investigated someone in the 'lurker' category hardly qualifies as a carrot or a stick. The only thing that it tells me is that whatever name you may have gotten didn't tell you a whole lot. No, not everyone is subject to my investigation. And my future investigation depends on my previous one. That's the whole point of waiting to reveal my result.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:38 GMT -5
That's the biggest problem with the Pleo situation - I can't really find fault with those who want to lynch him nor with those who don't, because the reasons to lynch him seem independent of one's alignment in this particular game. Wait, how do you know "reasons to lynch him seem independent of one's alignment in this particular game"? I could see making a similar statement about mafia games in general, but to say that about "this particular game" means you know something about the alignments of those arguing for and against my lynch. This looks very much like a scum slip to me. vote storyteller0910 for broad knowledge about players' alignments.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:45 GMT -5
I didn't investigate anybody. I flipped a coin and tails told me to have the Merc protect me. What a waste of a power! Your role must be of low enough value that you felt risking a 12-vote bid on the mercenary was a worthwhile risk. Why was protecting yourself so important then? Townies do not need to protect themselves. They win with the team. An investigation is worth more than the life of an average town (and if you weren't an average townie, you should not have bid like you did). An investigation is worthless to scum. But a protection is not, if there's any pro-town killers about (and we have no reason to believe there isn't any). I think you are not town. I don't know if your scum or third party, but you need to be making a claim for why you thought yourself so valuable to need protection, but not so valuable that a high bid was worthwhile. unvote Meeko (don't worry, I still love you.) vote KidVermicious for non-town actions.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:52 GMT -5
Gah, running out of time. I'll post what I have now and continue into the Night.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 11:52:57 GMT -5
So Meeko answer me this, The Mod stated that I had not even OPENED my PM with my role until yesterday. Why would one lurk for 1 day and 2 nights without even knowing their role? What would be the objective? You could be a Double Secret Lurker. ;D
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 11:54:31 GMT -5
Gah, running out of time. I'll post what I have now and continue into the Night. How do you propose to "continue into the Night", given that it appears you're going to be lynched in about 6 minutes?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 2, 2012 11:55:10 GMT -5
And I have to leave work. Here Inner, is this what you were looking for? Well done, you're about to lynch the doc. That's a heck of a snarky chip on your shoulder for someone who went off and bid a fat stack of votes on the merc. Just sayin.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 11:55:42 GMT -5
Updated Day 2 Vote CountPleonast (11 votes) - Meeko, KidVermicious, Colby11, LaurieRN, Lightfoot, Parzival, guiri, JustBeingGinger, wombat99, storyteller0910, Sister Coyote Colby11 (6 votes) - BillMc, patricia, Rich Beckman, guiri, JustBeingGinger, Inner Stickler KidVermicious (5 votes) - sinjin, patricia, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, crys, SilverJan JustBeingGinger (4 votes) - Penalty Vote, Parzival, Inner Stickler, Meeko Askthepizzaguy (3 votes) - Penalty Vote, dizzymrslizzy, Suburban Plankton Inner Stickler (3 votes) - dizzymrslizzy, Suburban Plankton, storyteller0910 Meeko (2 votes) - Pleonast, crys Crys (2 votes) - askthepizzaguy, Red Skeezix guiri (1 vote) - Lightfoot Richbeckman (1 vote) - wombat99 Lightfoot (1 vote) - Merestil Haye BillMc (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy With these votes, Pleonast will be lynched.Day ends in ~20 minutes. Well, it looks like town is set for a big mistake. Good luck! You're going to need it after lynching an investigator on your side. And for the record my investigation was: Your investigations into JustBeingGinger return their role name: Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 2, 2012 11:59:43 GMT -5
An investigation is worthless to scum. But a protection is not, if there's any pro-town killers about (and we have no reason to believe there isn't any). In a game that appears to be heavy with Third Party players (based upon the claims/reveals we've seen so far, and Red Skeezix assertion that we started the game with only 7 Town), I'd think that an Investigation might be rather useful to Scum as well.
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