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Post by Pleonast on Feb 13, 2013 15:08:05 GMT -5
In the inky blackness, angry shouts trickle out. First slowly, and then quickly climaxing. All else is silent until the weak Dawn shows itself.
lauriern, The Duelist, a Christian Killer/Investigator is dead.
It is now Day Three. It will end at 12n 2pm PT on Monday Feb 18.
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Post by guiri on Feb 13, 2013 15:53:41 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie.
So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 13, 2013 16:48:31 GMT -5
Thinking out loud- please add/subtract ? I can’t wrap my head around this at all?
SisC was Christian so not lying Laurie was Christian so not lying
But their stories don’t dovetail
They were both Christian killer/investigators
Sister Coyotehas voted forNo Lynch (23-39),Lightfoot (39-108),mistervisceral (39-149), Filibuster (149), BillMc (389), texcat (418).
lauriernhas voted for silverjan (145), Suburban Plankton (145), BillMc (145), wombat99 (384),Sister Coyote (388-395).
(I’m wagering laurie unvoted SisC because their PM’s were close )
can we deduce anything from this
Well yes and no
if they investigated someone and got a guilty result= they would have voted them
if the investigated someone and got an innocent result= they would not have voted them
odds are anyone they voted/unvoted was not investigated by them – or the result was vague?
We know that SisC would receive an innocent/guilty result ( but not by what parameters precisely since all I can find is a paraphrased claim)
we don’t know what type of result laurie would receive
SisC’s late votes were likely not due to results because of the way she phrased them
I need to re-look at laurie’s
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Post by texcat on Feb 13, 2013 16:55:38 GMT -5
I still am of the opinion that SisC was confused about her role. In her mind, she thought "innocent" and "sinless" were the same thing, and I am not sure that they are.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 13, 2013 17:06:18 GMT -5
I still am of the opinion that SisC was confused about her role. In her mind, she thought "innocent" and "sinless" were the same thing, and I am not sure that they are. the problem is she knew she was " innocent" but as a killer I wager she was not 'sinless' so I can't see where she would have that misconception?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 13, 2013 17:18:46 GMT -5
Thinking out loud- please add/subtract ? I can’t wrap my head around this at all? SisC was Christian so not lying Laurie was Christian so not lying But their stories don’t dovetail They were both Christian killer/investigators It's possible that they couldn't kill each other due to some sort of rule neither knew about. Or maybe it was Sister Coyote was just confused about her role. There seems to be a lot of that going around. Or maybe there was some sort of protection/manipulation aspect going along with it. Ryjae, I would be very careful about using your power today. The fact that you're alive could very well indicate the scum are counting on you trying to try and cleanse one of them today. I'd be very careful who you choose, if you choose someone at all. Now I'm going to do a little extrapolation here. Bear with me. Based on Lightfoot's post in Day Two: I’ve got a role where I have a chance* to gain information on the players that I have a valid vote on at the EOD= others may too And the fact that Laurie voted for me instead of no lynch, if her power works the same way as Sis did, it's possible she investigated/tried to kill me on Night One. That's probably why she voted me instead of no lynch. Now since we don't know exactly how her power worked, or whether she used it on me at all, it's not a confirmation of anything, but at the same time I didn't end up dead on Day Two, either. It's a shame she was killed because I was planning on asking her about this herself toDay, but I didn't want to ask at Night to give anything away or make her a target. Seems like it didn't matter either way.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 13, 2013 17:31:13 GMT -5
For what it's worth Bill accepted my offer but it didn't work.
My PM from Idles cleansing Your target will confess
The PM from Bills
BillMc accepted to be confessed.
And then this one
An unknown power prevents you from cleansing BillMc of sins.
So now I am lost I thought my action was completed by the first PM and bam. More to follow with computer access my thumbs are swift but inaccurate.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 13, 2013 17:38:24 GMT -5
I am very confused about the whole SisC vs Laurien situation. I'm also surprised that Laurien was the scumkill last night. I would have thought she was a good lynch target for today, at least in my mind she was.
So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 13, 2013 18:43:13 GMT -5
I am very confused about the whole SisC vs Laurien situation. I'm also surprised that Laurien was the scumkill last night. I would have thought she was a good lynch target for today, at least in my mind she was. So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks. OR..... Bill did it mafia paranoia at play
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 13, 2013 18:55:56 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie. So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer? That could be one deduction, yeah...but couldn't another be "SisC got her intended target redirected"? Anyway. Vote BillMc Vote wombat99[/color] ...for the same reasons I gave yesterDay. My suspicions of them haven't lessened...in fact, Bill's last-minute accepting of the request (without saying it in here) make it looks even more weird in my eyes...Did you know you'd be protected by a blocking, Bill? You and your scum buddies work out that plan so you wouldn't look so shady if you didn't accept the offer? Yes, damned if you do and damned if you don't. I would have found you suspicious either way (if you didn't accept.....and even now that you did---however if you had accepted and passed with flying colors, I wouldn't have. Seems too convenient that you accepted but were blocked). Not to mention here's two people (WOMBAT and BILL) with almost a tied lead yesterday....both had the lead and suddenly everyone is voting for SisC. That voting train formed pretty fast. Not without good reason, of course...even I didn't believe SisC was Town, but the fact that her role now is revealed to be Christian, that really paints what happened more as "Scum scrambled to try to save one of their own"....so I'd bet money that either BILL or WOMBAT (or possibly even both) is scum.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 13, 2013 19:05:20 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie. So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer? That could be one deduction, yeah...but couldn't another be "SisC got her intended target redirected"? Anyway. Vote BillMc Vote wombat99[/color] ...for the same reasons I gave yesterDay. My suspicions of them haven't lessened...in fact, Bill's last-minute accepting of the request (without saying it in here) make it looks even more weird in my eyes...Did you know you'd be protected by a blocking, Bill? You and your scum buddies work out that plan so you wouldn't look so shady if you didn't accept the offer? Yes, damned if you do and damned if you don't. I would have found you suspicious either way (if you didn't accept.....and even now that you did---however if you had accepted and passed with flying colors, I wouldn't have. Seems too convenient that you accepted but were blocked). Not to mention here's two people (WOMBAT and BILL) with almost a tied lead yesterday....both had the lead and suddenly everyone is voting for SisC. That voting train formed pretty fast. Not without good reason, of course...even I didn't believe SisC was Town, but the fact that her role now is revealed to be Christian, that really paints what happened more as "Scum scrambled to try to save one of their own"....so I'd bet money that either BILL or WOMBAT (or possibly even both) is scum.[/quote] SisC specifically stated that her PM said “ laurieRN is innocent “ so that won’t wash Although I do agree with your comments on Bill and will look harder at Wombat
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 13, 2013 19:23:17 GMT -5
Ryjae
Maybe the action is considered a Night action, and therefore block able by any roleblocker, since the actual cleansing happens at Night?
I think this power may have more use than we know, since we know for a fact that getting rid of sins are a good thing.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 13, 2013 20:11:59 GMT -5
So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks. I openly admit my confusion here, so I'm not critiquing, I'm asking. Is his cleansing power a Day or Night power? What makes you say day roleblocker; did his action not occur at night and thus would have had to be blocked then?
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Post by texcat on Feb 13, 2013 20:56:18 GMT -5
I would have thought that a day block would have prevented Ryjae from inviting the cleansing. A night block/redirect would have prevented the actual cleansing.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 22:26:58 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie. So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer? That could be one deduction, yeah...but couldn't another be "SisC got her intended target redirected"? Anyway. Vote BillMc Vote wombat99[/color][/quote] Sis C was told that LaurieRN is innocent. We went over this at the end of Day 2. I think it's time to throw some cards on the table. I've already admitted to having a power role (I think it's pretty likely that everybody left has). As a result of that role, I now have two pieces of information that may be useful to the Christians. Role-redirectors don't work on me, and I think we can assume that role-blockers weren't used since I got information both nights. First of all: at the beginning of Night One, there were ELEVEN mechanics alive in the game - players with "mechanic" powers. (This includes mechanics with other potential powers - mechanic/investigators, mechanic/manipulators, etc). As described by Pleonast, people who can affect game mechanics, including recruiters or vote changers. As yet, we have one claimed town mechanic. Secondly: at the beginning of Night Two, there were TWO killers alive in the game. As of now, that number has just been reduced to one killer.It's worth pointing out that while death reveals may be incomplete, my investigations are not. To make this quite clear, the wording I've received regarding this aspect of my role, is this: "You discover how many players alive at the start of this Night have the given role type. Players with multiple types count towards all their types." I will say now that this is not the full extent of my role's powers, nor its limitations; it's just one aspect of it. Now here's why I'm bringing this up now. First off, consider the "night kills". The first Christian to be killed at night was a Martyr. Now what exactly "martyr" means in terms of role functionality, I have no idea beyond the obvious (bodyguard? suicide cop / altruist?) but as far as the role title goes, well to be a martyr, you have to die, right? You can't be a martyr and survive. That's the whole point. The second Christian to be killed was a killer herself. Only two people could possibly have killed Laurie - herself, or the last remaining killer in the game. I'm not going to speculate on why Laurie might have done such a thing, or on the identity or alignment of the other killer. All I will say is this: there was a very strong case for a town-aligned killer targeting Laurie last night. She'd apparently lied about having a sin, she could've potentially been a "Godfather"-type role, and her story directly contradicted that of a known Christian. Heck, the "Godfather" speculation was enough for me to actually vote Laurie yesterday instead of SisterCoyote (remember that at the time I was unaware I still had a vote on SisC myself). REMEMBER THIS POINT. I'm coming back to it later on. One limitation of my role is that I can't always choose the exact nature of my night-action (I'm throwing that out there right now in case anybody asks me for "requests" based on what I've written here. And no, I'm not prepared to discuss the nature of those limitations beyond what I say in this post. At the very least it wouldn't benefit town, and it's possible - although unlikely - that it could help the devils late-game, if I'm still alive then.) In the case of the first two nights, however, I could choose a specific night action; and I did do so. Here's why. My idea when asking for the number of mechanics in the game was to flush out possible devil recruiters. I thought there'd be three or four, maybe five, and that it would be comparatively easy to eliminate the vote-chargers and vote-redirector roles, thereby giving me the number of mechanics that were left. At any rate, I thought narrowing down the potential number of "recruiters" later in the game - if they were even able to operate then - would be fairly simple. When I saw that there were eleven mechanics in the game, I was shocked. My second idea was that every devil could use a "joint" recruitment / killing power - for example, a scum night-kill that can be carried out by any scummy player, but can only be used once per night by the entire scum team. ( Pleo's statement that not all information may be revealed on death also seemed to fit the idea of a "secret" scummy recruitment power shared by the devils, since Patricia was not revealed as a "mechanic" on death.) Hence my second investigation - to find out the number of killers. This time, I was expecting the entire devil team plus whatever Christian killers were still in the game (since my wincon says nothing about any enemy other than devils, I'm ruling out the possibility of malicious third-party killing roles. Unless Pleo is VERY gastardly, it's the devils, and only the devils, that we need to worry about.) Basically I was expecting something like five to seven killers. I got two, and now there are only one. SO... were this a conventional "town vs scum" game, I'd expect three to five mechanics to be alive at the start of night one, four to seven killers at the start of night two. Instead I get eleven mechanics, two killers, one of whom is now a confirmed Christian? Doesn't take a genius to work out that something is VERY wrong here. Given that both night-kills so far have possible pro-town motivation behind them (one person killed is a Christian "martyr", the other made statements yesterday that were directly contradicted by a confirmed Christian and was therefore an obvious lynch target for today), I'd like to propose the following as a theory. - The devils, or the majority of them, aren't killers. Their job isn't to kill the town, it's to "recruit" their souls. - Each devil has a secret power that classifies as a "mechanic" power but does not appear upon their death reveal. (I say this because of Patricia's death reveal.) - The Christians' task is to kill the devils before too many or all of their souls are taken. I'd suggest that souls from both the living and dead can be "taken", although that's even more pure speculation than the rest of what I've said. It ties in nicely with what Idle said on Day One regarding heaven, hell and purgatory though.One last point - and it's an essential one. THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON LEFT IN THE GAME WITH KILLER POWERS. IF THAT PERSON IS NOT A DEVIL, THE DEVILS ARE **NOT** CONVENTIONAL KILLER SCUM. EVEN IF THAT PERSON IS A DEVIL, THE FACT THAT ONLY ONE DEVIL IS ABLE TO KILL STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS NOT A "REGULAR" SCUM GROUP WITH ONE NIGHT-KILL BETWEEN THEM. What I'd really like to do is to re-investigate the "mechanic" roles and see if the number has gone down since Patricia's death (no other mechanics have been killed according to death reveals). Unfortunately, I can't, and nor can I investigate Patricia specifically to see if she had a secret "mechanic" power herself (yep, those are two of those role limitations that I was being so hedgy about earlier.) Without being able to do that, I would submit that the whole question of how the devils operate comes down to one simple question: is there still a town-aligned (or at least non-devilish, which again comes to the same thing in this game) killer still left alive? Because if the answer to that one is "yes", we have to rethink entirely any assumptions we're making about how the devils operate. Obviously this comes down to the last killer standing; but to that player, if they're not a devil and their power is "voluntary", I say: I think this one point may be important enough that it's worth "outing" yourself. It makes your role effectively useless - given the potential of role-blockers or role-redirectors, which look a lot more likely following Ryjae's statement earlier on - BUT it also tells us that the devils have no killing powers. We still have the lynch. That is one heck of a trade-off right there. Obviously all of this also depends on me telling the truth here (I am). I have no way to verify what I'm saying, but I ask you this: why would I lie in this way, and using such specific facts (that could easily be contradicted later on if, say, there were more than one killer still left in the game?) Ok, I think I'm done for now. Still don't believe Wombat is a devil, by the way. I see no devilish motivation for her actions yesterday - quite the opposite, her persistence of such a ridiculous idea (again, sorry Wombat) in the face of such criticism, stinks of "misguided town-ism". It concerns me that Idle - who is still on my "likely town" list - is voting her. I'm leaning town on all three of that trio now - Idle, BillMC and Wombat.
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 13, 2013 22:32:55 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie. So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer? If ryjae's role was the only way to cleanse sins, this game would be so broken. I see absolutely zero reasons for Bill, as town, to decline ryjae's offer. NONE. The only alignment who would reject that offer is scum. Ryjae, I think you used your power correctly. Vote BillMCHe's the one I'm most sure about. I'm getting more and more alright with Li'l footy. Agreeing with DML on the nightkill being confusing. But we've killed two Christian killers thus far so... I don't think it was a vig kill? CURIOUS. Ryjae, I would be very careful about using your power today. The fact that you're alive could very well indicate the scum are counting on you trying to try and cleanse one of them today. I'd be very careful who you choose, if you choose someone at all. This is the first time that PO has made me feel uncomfortable. Anyone else getting the heebies from this?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 22:41:45 GMT -5
Farewell Laurie. So SisterCoyote was telling the truth about her innocent result, at least from her POV, while Laurie was also telling the truth about her sins, from her POV. Can we deduce that sins can be cleansed without the player knowing, not just by Ryjae's offer? If ryjae's role was the only way to cleanse sins, this game would be so broken. I see absolutely zero reasons for Bill, as town, to decline ryjae's offer. NONE. The only alignment who would reject that offer is scum. Ryjae, I think you used your power correctly. According to Ryjae himself, BillMC didn't decline that offer. Re-read the notes above. BillMC claimed from the start to have information contradicting Idle's initial claim that Christians all start with sins. Yesterday he then claimed to have no sins himself. And today, Ryjae finds that he cannot cleanse BillMC of sin. Given Bill's initial claim, let me ask something here - why is anybody surprised by any of the events that have followed?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 13, 2013 22:46:50 GMT -5
Moley, there may be a little bit of truth to your speculation, but I think that long rant of yours might be a tad bit of paranoia. Odds are, Pleonast just doesn't consider each and every scum a Killing role. His classifications are largely similar to Storyteller's classifications, and if you look back at the most recent Arkham game, the only Scum to be classified as a "Killing" role was Idle, who had the ability to execute an extra kill on top of the regular Scum group kill. Granted, since we've had two Christian Killing role deaths and according to you there's only one Killing role left, I wouldn't be surprised if that role WAS a Devil and they had some sort of special, unblockable kill or something similar. But I wouldn't fall under the assumption of really bad paranoia just yet. This is the first time that PO has made me feel uncomfortable. Anyone else getting the heebies from this? Warning an outed Christian power role to be careful of how they use their power, since scum may try and manipulate/mess up their power, gives you the heebies? Really?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 22:49:06 GMT -5
Oh, and TL:DR version of the above long post:
There is only one killer left in the game. There were eleven mechanics at the start of Night One. (Got one thing wrong by the way: Patricia died before Night One, so her death wouldn't change anything about my results, regardless of whether she had a "secret" mechanic power or not.)
Both of the previous two night-kills could've been done for pro-town, as well as anti-town, reasons. If the final killer is not a devil, the devils don't have a conventional "scum kill". Even if the final killer IS a devil, they're one person. That's very far from being a normal scum kill.
My idea: there's a secret mechanic power, shared by all the devils, where they can attempt to "capture" players' souls.
My point: we need to know if the final killer is a devil or not, ASAP.
That's all.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 22:50:40 GMT -5
Odds are, Pleonast just doesn't consider each and every scum a Killing role. His classifications are largely similar to Storyteller's classifications, and if you look back at the most recent Arkham game, the only Scum to be classified as a "Killing" role was Idle, who had the ability to execute an extra kill on top of the regular Scum group kill. That's interesting. I will ask Pleonast for clarification on that point.
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 13, 2013 22:51:08 GMT -5
Warning an outed Christian power role to be careful of how they use their power, since scum may try and manipulate/mess up their power, gives you the heebies? Really? 1) How do you mess up cleansing sins? 2) Cleansing seems to be one of the most important game mechanics. Here's my guess: You die, go to purgatory for one day for each sin you've accumulated, and each day each devil gets to guess your cardinal sin. If they guess correctly they win your soul. If they guess incorrectly you remain in purgatory. Adding to HM's idea, maybe this is their substitute for killing, and the more scum there are, the more guesses get to be made? That sorta makes sense.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 13, 2013 22:57:19 GMT -5
1) How do you mess up cleansing sins? 2) Cleansing seems to be one of the most important game mechanics. Exactly, which is why it's odd ryjae's still alive. Obviously, the scum may have forewent the possibility of killing him due to protection. Or maybe Moley's right, and this is a nonstandard scum thing, although no deaths at Night would make for a really, really long game. My point, though, is that since the scum know who is doing the cleansing, they may have the ability to redirect him to a scum if he uses his power from this point forward. Until we get a firm read from Moley on how many manipulators there are in the game, I'd wager ryjae should be careful that he doesn't end up accidentally redirected into cleansing someone that will kill him.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 23:03:44 GMT -5
Although having said that, my speculation is that each scum DOES have a "mechanic" power. Given that over half the players in the game now have mechanic powers, I don't think that's too wild a speculation to make.
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 13, 2013 23:06:39 GMT -5
According to Ryjae himself, BillMC didn't decline that offer. Re-read the notes above. BillMC claimed from the start to have information contradicting Idle's initial claim that Christians all start with sins. Yesterday he then claimed to have no sins himself. And today, Ryjae finds that he cannot cleanse BillMC of sin. Given Bill's initial claim, let me ask something here - why is anybody surprised by any of the events that have followed? He made such a fuss about it, though. As town I feel like he would just be like "Hey, a chance to confirm myself as town? Hell yeah!" Then you can see the roleblock as two things: Devils throwing uncertainty onto town-Bill, or covering up scum-bill. The roleblocking is completely a moot point. You seem confirmation bias-y, like you want to see Bill as town but are ignoring simple things like-a the above.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 23:08:46 GMT -5
Until we get a firm read from Moley on how many manipulators there are in the game, I'd wager ryjae should be careful that he doesn't end up accidentally redirected into cleansing someone that will kill him. ...And that was why I said "don't expect requests". I'm not saying I can't ever ask that question, but I can't be sure when it will be if I do. In short, don't rely on me being able to give you definite information like that. My role doesn't work that way. I don't think I'm saying too much to say that it's tied to in-game activity - but I can't, for obvious reasons, say what the nature of that activity is.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 13, 2013 23:21:11 GMT -5
Moley, while you are eager to out the remaining killer, I am not so eager.
So far, we have had 2 killers killed, but no extra kills? Doesn't that strike you as odd? Even if town has 3 killers (this is assuming the third is town aligned as well). I'm willing to bet money that there are certain restrictions put into place so that the town killers aren't killing everyone in plain sight.
I think the third killer should stay in the shadows for now
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 23:24:11 GMT -5
According to Ryjae himself, BillMC didn't decline that offer. Re-read the notes above. BillMC claimed from the start to have information contradicting Idle's initial claim that Christians all start with sins. Yesterday he then claimed to have no sins himself. And today, Ryjae finds that he cannot cleanse BillMC of sin. Given Bill's initial claim, let me ask something here - why is anybody surprised by any of the events that have followed? He made such a fuss about it, though. As town I feel like he would just be like "Hey, a chance to confirm myself as town? Hell yeah!" Then you can see the roleblock as two things: Devils throwing uncertainty onto town-Bill, or covering up scum-bill. The roleblocking is completely a moot point. You seem confirmation bias-y, like you want to see Bill as town but are ignoring simple things like-a the above. I think there are very good reasons - one in particular regarding his contradiction of Idle's claim right at the beginning - to regard BillMC as a Christian. I haven't seen a shred of evidence to throw doubt on that "read" yet. His attitude from the start has been consistent with that of a Christian who has no sins. I'm not 100% certain - it's always possible that the devils KNEW there was a Christian out there without sin somehow, therefore they could feel comfortable contradicting Idle's statement because they knew it was wrong. The interesting thing to me is that no such Christian has ever come forward, except BillMC himself. If there IS another sinless Christian out there, they didn't make any comment during the Idle / Bill debate, nor did they comment all the time that Bill was under fire. Occam's Razor. Take these two scenarios: 1) Bill knew that Idle's statement about sinless Christians was wrong, because he himself is a sinless Christian. 2) Bill knew that Idle's statement about sinless Christians was wrong, because he is a devil with exact knowledge of another sinless Christian in the game (a Christian who has remained completely silent during this entire game, including during two separate occasions when Bill came under fire for his claims being called into question). I mean, which makes more sense to you?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 13, 2013 23:26:00 GMT -5
Moley, while you are eager to out the remaining killer, I am not so eager. So far, we have had 2 killers killed, but no extra kills? Doesn't that strike you as odd? Even if town has 3 killers (this is assuming the third is town aligned as well). I'm willing to bet money that there are certain restrictions put into place so that the town killers aren't killing everyone in plain sight. I think the third killer should stay in the shadows for now I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. At least until I've had work back from Pleonast on whether or not this killer role is in addition to a regular scumkill. In the end, it'll be down to the killer as to what they do.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 13, 2013 23:32:02 GMT -5
I didn't say he accepted until this Day rather than at night for a reason I wanted the Devils to think he stuck with his decline. The PM I got last
An unknown power prevents you from cleansing BillMc of sins.
Means to me I was probably blocked, Holy Moley I think you may be wrong on the reasoning though. I don't think if he is 100% town with no sin I would have got that message he could very well be both but that doesn't explain the PM.
His declining it in the thread and accepting it in private leads me to think he was being honest though... The devils figuring it out is the worrisome part and why I am nervous with believing in him. Gah confusion rules my brain.
If someone else can clear sins, please don't out yourself like I did, if the Devils stay frucking with me that will give you an open field. I will think about Polluxes suggestion, my thinking though is how many manipulators can be in the game.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 13, 2013 23:42:07 GMT -5
So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks. I openly admit my confusion here, so I'm not critiquing, I'm asking. Is his cleansing power a Day or Night power? What makes you say day roleblocker; did his action not occur at night and thus would have had to be blocked then? I don't know, I assumed that the block happened "toDay" instead of last Night, since the offer was received last Night and was resolved upon Dawn. I guess I mixed that up, and the action actually happened N2 not D3.
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