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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 10:04:48 GMT -5
snipped In addition, up until this point we've been assuming that only Devils have use for Cardinal Sin. But for all we know, Pagans/Heretics/Christians may be able to use Cardinal Sin against the other teams as well. How likely is it, based on what we learned about Patricia possibly not having win-clue C, that Devils do not have Cardinal Sins? This post from Pollux reads to me like he doesn't have a Cardinal Sin and therefore doesn't know how they work or how they would affect game play.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 17, 2013 10:10:58 GMT -5
snipped In addition, up until this point we've been assuming that only Devils have use for Cardinal Sin. But for all we know, Pagans/Heretics/Christians may be able to use Cardinal Sin against the other teams as well. How likely is it, based on what we learned about Patricia possibly not having win-clue C, that Devils do not have Cardinal Sins? This post from Pollux reads to me like he doesn't have a Cardinal Sin and therefore doesn't know how they work or how they would affect game play. That's not how I read that post at all. Devils probably don't have Cardinal Sins, but we have assumed that they could use them against us if they found out what a player's specific C Sin was. What he seems to be saying is that perhaps it's not just devils who have use of that knowledge. I have one and I certainly don't know how they work or affect game play. If you know how they work or affect game play, please enlighten the rest of us.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 17, 2013 10:13:41 GMT -5
unvote Chucara
If Holy Moley is satisfied that Chucara isn't a Devil by way of sooper sekrit handshake, I'll take his word for it for now.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 10:20:24 GMT -5
snipped How likely is it, based on what we learned about Patricia possibly not having win-clue C, that Devils do not have Cardinal Sins? This post from Pollux reads to me like he doesn't have a Cardinal Sin and therefore doesn't know how they work or how they would affect game play. That's not how I read that post at all. Devils probably don't have Cardinal Sins, but we have assumed that they could use them against us if they found out what a player's specific C Sin was. What he seems to be saying is that perhaps it's not just devils who have use of that knowledge. I have one and I certainly don't know how they work or affect game play. If you know how they work or affect game play, please enlighten the rest of us. As I mentioned earlier, I have a Cardinal Sin that gives me a possible additional power (and a sin if I choose to use it). Others have implied that they have Cardinal Sins that work in a similar fashion. Does your Cardinal Sin not have an action associated with it?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 17, 2013 10:47:41 GMT -5
That's not how I read that post at all. Devils probably don't have Cardinal Sins, but we have assumed that they could use them against us if they found out what a player's specific C Sin was. What he seems to be saying is that perhaps it's not just devils who have use of that knowledge. I have one and I certainly don't know how they work or affect game play. If you know how they work or affect game play, please enlighten the rest of us. As I mentioned earlier, I have a Cardinal Sin that gives me a possible additional power (and a sin if I choose to use it). Others have implied that they have Cardinal Sins that work in a similar fashion. Does your Cardinal Sin not have an action associated with it? That isn't what I meant. I don't know how, in a collective sense, they affect the game if the Devils (or other faction) guess them. We don't know how gaining additional sins affects us either, just that it may or may not be beneficial to our team.
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Post by crys on Feb 17, 2013 11:31:38 GMT -5
If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right? I think you are mixing up the HM'sHoly has only cleared ChucaraHockey has cleared Mr. V and myselfLol you are right, you do have a point Dizzy! All the HM's is confusing me.
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Post by crys on Feb 17, 2013 11:40:33 GMT -5
And on that topic.... Bill, Lightfoot, and Holy Is there a reason that you still have your votes on me? Right now we have a 3 vote each 3 way tie between: Me, Texcat and Wombat I "unvoted all"? Lightfoot, a magic bag implies that I'm promising to make information public later on. I'm not promising anything of the kind here. I cannot offer any reasoning as to what I'm doing except that if Chucara was able to answer my question, it would absolutely and unquestionably clear him of being a devil. He has, so... Chucara is absolutely not a devil. No chance in hell, to use a pun. Crys, my quote tags seem to be seriously messed up when I try to quote more than one post at a time, so regarding this: "If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right?" Do you have any evidence at all that the devils are able to kill? Paranoia was a marty, which strongly implies to me that the whole point of her role is to die for the Christians; Laurie was apparently killed by her own power. Where are the scum kills here? That statement was specifically made because I keep combining you and Holey Moley together. I am trying to reprogram my brain to recognize the two of you as separate people and you both have soft cleared others. As far as how the scum kills work I have no idea. I agree that your hypothesis is not too far a reach, but we don't know absolutely that is what happened. It could just be a lucky coincidence on how those deaths came around that they could look like powers gone bad. The only way to figure it out is if I can get a channel to open to one of the deceased christians. At that point I should be able to ask the question, however, they might not really know either.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 17, 2013 13:01:58 GMT -5
Holy as you are accepting my "clear" I'll accept your clear of chucara as well.
Just to be clear though, your clearing is just a Non-Devil clearing, not a 100% Christian clearing right?
And FTR I do agree with you that Devil hunting IS the first priority but like Idle I am wary of third parties.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 13:23:07 GMT -5
As someone else postulated, couldn't the Pagans be a sort of Mason team, they can back each other up? I know that they don't have their own board but neither do many Masons in games that I have played. I am a Christian (hehe, that's a RL laugh as I am an atheist) and surely if there was conversion in the game Christians would be doing the converting. Pagans never converted Christians. Heretics on the other hand aren't all bad, for goodness sake, if you were a Protestant in Henry VIII's time before Anne Boleyn you were a heretic. Mary I burned all Protestants as they were heretics and that was why she is known as "Bloody Mary". So if we take the colour into consideration I could be well swayed into thinking that the Heretics and Pagans are on the side of the Christians.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 13:57:58 GMT -5
Try this again Vote Storyteller and Vote Scathach
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 17, 2013 14:11:44 GMT -5
How likely is it, based on what we learned about Patricia possibly not having win-clue C, that Devils do not have Cardinal Sins? This post from Pollux reads to me like he doesn't have a Cardinal Sin and therefore doesn't know how they work or how they would affect game play. You're completely misinterpreting what I was trying to say. We're told to never let another player know your Cardinal Sin. Up until today, as with everything else, it was assumed that it was Christian vs. Devils and that Devils did bad things with knowing Cardinal Sin. However, now that we know there are Pagans and Heretics, it may be possible for all the groups to take advantage of knowing Cardinal Sins. Maybe a Pagan can convert a Christian if they're aware of their Cardinal Sin. Or maybe Heretics can. That's all I'm saying. ---- Here's a list of everything confirmed so far: Hockey Monkey -> confirms mistervisceral and dizzymrslizzy are 100% Christian Holy Moley -> confirms Chucara is 100% not a Devil ryjae -> confirms Idle Thoughts is a Christian (?) through cleansing silver jan -> saw guiri do something Night One that made her not vote for him BillMc -> supposedly no sins Wombat -> Heretic Lightfoot, crys - Pagans Leftovers who have not revealed anything:JustBeingGinger scathach storyteller0910 Suburban Plankton KidVermicious Pollux Oil colby11 texcat Things to Note-Unless I've missed something, Hockey Monkey has only confirmed people are Christian...they have not at any point and time so far returned the confirmation. So it is still possible Hockey Monkey is a non-Christian entity that is confirming Christian to look Townie. My other worry is that Hockey Monkey is some sort of recruiter, and she is "confirming" Christians when she is actually recruiting them, but of course any recruitees are not going to blow the whistle on that. Of course, this is mostly lack of information paranoia, so this will be put on the backburner for now. -The same is true of Holy Moley, although the super secret handshake seems much more mutual confirmation of non-Devilhood than Hockey Monkey's confirmations. -BillMc supposedly accepted cleansing from ryjae, but it was blocked. -There is a luster out there who slakes with people at Night. They supposedly get protected/can't be investigated, but there may be nefarious reasons for the whole lust thing too? (In addition, perhaps this is why SisC's investigation of Laurie turned up innocent? Laurie was doing some lusty business, and since it's supposed to prevent investigations and kills, both of which were Sister Coyote? Of course, why Laurie wouldn't have said that when Idle had revealed the person was trying to slake him already I don't know.) -Per Holy Moley!, there is 1 Killing role left and 11 Mechanics in the game. Let me know if I missed anything.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 14:14:37 GMT -5
As someone else postulated, couldn't the Pagans be a sort of Mason team, they can back each other up? I know that they don't have their own board but neither do many Masons in games that I have played. I am a Christian (hehe, that's a RL laugh as I am an atheist) and surely if there was conversion in the game Christians would be doing the converting. Pagans never converted Christians. Heretics on the other hand aren't all bad, for goodness sake, if you were a Protestant in Henry VIII's time before Anne Boleyn you were a heretic. Mary I burned all Protestants as they were heretics and that was why she is known as "Bloody Mary". So if we take the colour into consideration I could be well swayed into thinking that the Heretics and Pagans are on the side of the Christians. True, that may be all the Pagans and Heretics are - some sort of pseudo-masonry (which would explain why we have the same wincon as the Christians). It still does not explain why our alignments are different, unless Pleo is making the point that it all boils down to Good vs. Evil, and Good people should not get hung up on artificial distinctions and should fight Evil together. (My brief skimming of the Googles tells me that my role name, Manichee, was a dualist, primarily concerned with good vs. evil).
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 17, 2013 14:22:16 GMT -5
As someone else postulated, couldn't the Pagans be a sort of Mason team, they can back each other up? I know that they don't have their own board but neither do many Masons in games that I have played. I am a Christian (hehe, that's a RL laugh as I am an atheist) and surely if there was conversion in the game Christians would be doing the converting. Pagans never converted Christians. Heretics on the other hand aren't all bad, for goodness sake, if you were a Protestant in Henry VIII's time before Anne Boleyn you were a heretic. Mary I burned all Protestants as they were heretics and that was why she is known as "Bloody Mary". So if we take the colour into consideration I could be well swayed into thinking that the Heretics and Pagans are on the side of the Christians. True, that may be all the Pagans and Heretics are - some sort of pseudo-masonry (which would explain why we have the same wincon as the Christians). It still does not explain why our alignments are different, unless Pleo is making the point that it all boils down to Good vs. Evil, and Good people should not get hung up on artificial distinctions and should fight Evil together. (My brief skimming of the Googles tells me that my role name, Manichee, was a dualist, primarily concerned with good vs. evil). in this game where there is not a lot of black and white- this comment makes a bunch of sense
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 14:25:53 GMT -5
As someone else postulated, couldn't the Pagans be a sort of Mason team, they can back each other up? I know that they don't have their own board but neither do many Masons in games that I have played. I am a Christian (hehe, that's a RL laugh as I am an atheist) and surely if there was conversion in the game Christians would be doing the converting. Pagans never converted Christians. Heretics on the other hand aren't all bad, for goodness sake, if you were a Protestant in Henry VIII's time before Anne Boleyn you were a heretic. Mary I burned all Protestants as they were heretics and that was why she is known as "Bloody Mary". So if we take the colour into consideration I could be well swayed into thinking that the Heretics and Pagans are on the side of the Christians. True, that may be all the Pagans and Heretics are - some sort of pseudo-masonry (which would explain why we have the same wincon as the Christians). It still does not explain why our alignments are different, unless Pleo is making the point that it all boils down to Good vs. Evil, and Good people should not get hung up on artificial distinctions and should fight Evil together. (My brief skimming of the Googles tells me that my role name, Manichee, was a dualist, primarily concerned with good vs. evil). So you have the same name as Laurien and the same powers?
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 14:28:20 GMT -5
Neta, not the same name but that name sounds familiar. Grr, is the name in game or out of game or have I read about or.....
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 14:30:14 GMT -5
Neta, not the same name but that name sounds familiar. Grr, is the name in game or out of game or have I read about or..... She was a duelist, i.e. she challenged people to duels, apparently. Manichee (and this is just color and historical background) was a dualist, i.e. an adherent of the dualism philosophy of good vs. evil.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 14:34:39 GMT -5
Neta, not the same name but that name sounds familiar. Grr, is the name in game or out of game or have I read about or..... She was a duelist, i.e. she challenged people to duels, apparently. Manichee (and this is just color and historical background) was a dualist, i.e. an adherent of the dualism philosophy of good vs. evil. So what you are really saying is that you are a Christian?
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 14:46:46 GMT -5
She was a duelist, i.e. she challenged people to duels, apparently. Manichee (and this is just color and historical background) was a dualist, i.e. an adherent of the dualism philosophy of good vs. evil. So what you are really saying is that you are a Christian? I am not Christian. I'm anti-Devil, if you like. My alignment is Heretic, and my wincon is to defeat the Devils, which is the same wincon as the Christian wincon.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 15:09:56 GMT -5
So what you are really saying is that you are a Christian? I am not Christian. I'm anti-Devil, if you like. My alignment is Heretic, and my wincon is to defeat the Devils, which is the same wincon as the Christian wincon. Yeah, I did read that earlier, my bad There is so much info in this game and it's fun but it's doing my head in. Yes you are a Heretic which could be a good person and to my mind mostly good but that is based on RL beliefs or lack there of
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 17, 2013 15:16:38 GMT -5
Devils probably don't have Cardinal Sins, My Cardinal Sin implies that Devils have Cardinal Sins too.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 17, 2013 15:16:57 GMT -5
NETA: The description, I mean.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 17, 2013 15:18:38 GMT -5
NETA (again): OH, sorry...lest I shoot myself in the foot with that "SURE THING" thing that some players tried to pin on me with the Patricia thing.... ...my CS implies that they MAY HAVE a Cardinal Sin.
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Post by scáthach on Feb 17, 2013 16:14:53 GMT -5
Sorry guys, catching up now.
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Post by guiri on Feb 17, 2013 16:31:35 GMT -5
Chucara is absolutely not a devil. No chance in hell, to use a pun. A question for HockeyMonkey (apologies if I've asked it before): You say you know that MisterVisceral, specifically, is a Christian. Are you certain that's still the case? He couldn't have been recruited today or last night by the devils or another faction, for example? How can you be so sure about Chucara while allowing uncertainty about Dizzy and Mr.V? True, that may be all the Pagans and Heretics are - some sort of pseudo-masonry (which would explain why we have the same wincon as the Christians). Why am I reminded of Peeker in Royal Rumble?
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 17, 2013 17:02:34 GMT -5
True, that may be all the Pagans and Heretics are - some sort of pseudo-masonry (which would explain why we have the same wincon as the Christians). Why am I reminded of Peeker in Royal Rumble? I was reminded of the same thing when I typed that. I'm rereading Days 1 and 2 and have to say that I'm at a loss for who to vote for at the moment. I've got the odd gut feeling, but nothing to build a case on. I'll be back in a few hours and then if there's nothing else that comes to light I'll vote lurkers/low participators, because I do think Devils may be laying low and letting the non-Devils go at each other.
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Post by scáthach on Feb 17, 2013 17:09:41 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. Huh. Not gonna lie, I would guaranteed vote for her if not for this. Thanks for not waiting until the last minute this time. I do find it strange that you confirm 2 of the most devilish characters in the game. How is that strange? An investigator investigates the scummiest people? Surely that's exactly what we'd expect. vote Texcat . One more thought: Maybe the only purpose for the Heretics and Pagans is to sow confusion and discord amongst those who should be banding together against the Devils. I'm leaning towards this explanation for the moment I think. What did I miss? Ryjae, did I miss who you are attempting to absolve tonight? We need to know who to lynch if you show up dead. Lynch the lurker votes: Vote: scathach vote: storyteller vote: chucara [/color][/quote] All the lynch the lurker votes are just lazy. Especially as they're currently your only votes. If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right? What exactly do you suggest (s)he do instead? Silver Jan's post here
makes some sense to me. Also, Suburban Plankton is one of the few people to not have a single thing beside his name in my notes. Active lurking maybe? Vote Suburban Plankton Try this again Vote Storyteller and Vote ScathachAgain, these are your only votes and they're for non participation. vote JustBeingGinger Might sound OMGUS'y, but I really think that throwing votes for non participation is just a really easy/safe way to get off the "has not voted" list. What precisely is scummy about me being absent toDay until now? Lynch the lurker is one thing, but I've been around D1 & D2, why didn't people look at any of my posts from then if they really think I'm scummy? Answer: They don't, they just wanted somewhere to put a vote.
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Post by guiri on Feb 17, 2013 18:25:11 GMT -5
Benefit of the doubt: Unvote chucaraLynch the lurker is one thing, but I've been around D1 & D2, why didn't people look at any of my posts from then if they really think I'm scummy? Answer: They don't, they just wanted somewhere to put a vote. You're right, especially about Ginger who's barely playing: D1 voted no lynch but missed part of the Day due to RL, D2 early LtL vote on Laurie, toDay LtL votes. It's extra suspicious when she started the game disagreeing that lurking was a scumtell: Not because I want you to take your vote off me, you can keep it there. Because in thinking this through, the one time I did play scum, and I think you are right, that was the first and only time I played SCUM and I hated it and made a huge mistake that gave me away. It was not my playstyle that labled me SCUM in that game. Now in playing SCUM that one time, a player gave me advice on how to play scum, they said "Be active", " Make cases against people". So in your theory that the lurkers are scum, I don't agree with that. If I was scum be it a seasoned scum player or a noob, I am sure that anyone's advice would be, be active, vote often, try to seem townie... It would also be someone's advice to don't come out with all guns blazing and for me to say would a DEVIL (SCUM) be so bold as to vote everyone and ask what you did. In thinking about it, no. So I unvoted... I may not agree with your method, but I am not sure it makes you a devil... I used to be a candidate for lynch the lurker, but have found that is not always the best reason to lynch someone. Sometimes town/Christians have a valid reason to lurk. Vote Ginger
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Post by texcat on Feb 17, 2013 18:44:51 GMT -5
How is that strange? An investigator investigates the scummiest people? Surely that's exactly what we'd expect It might be what we would expect if Hockey were an investigator, but as I have explained before, I don't think there is any possible way for her to be both an investigator and 100% sure about her results. She has not claimed investigator and it's obvious, at least to me, that she is not an investigator.
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Post by texcat on Feb 17, 2013 19:04:05 GMT -5
Unvote: scathach unvote: Chucara
I agree that my lynch the lurker votes are lazy. I would definitely be voting misterV, dizzy, or even perhaps Chucara, but my scum candidates all keep getting cleared by someone. But as I explained to Guiri, I think lynch the lurker is a valid strategy and sometimes a very necessary strategy. Unlike Ginger who thinks it is not a valid strategy and does it anyway.
Vote: Ginger
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 19:25:33 GMT -5
I would definitely be voting misterV, dizzy, or even perhaps Chucara, but my scum candidates all keep getting cleared by someone.
I know the feeling. @ Guiri: In answer to your question regarding how I can be sure about Chucara while allowing uncertainty of the other two: that was WHY I asked HockeyMonkey the question that I did. The point seemed fairly moot, considering this was mostly settled on Day One and today was more confirmation of certainty than anything else; nonetheless, the "recruitment" option was the only possible loophole I could see. I now don't believe that it's at all likely that random people are being "recruited" to join the devils, for reasons already given; which isn't to say that there isn't recruitment of some form out there. Still, if we have to worry about that - along with third-parties, cardinal sins, and everything else - then I for one am tempted to Pleonast the town cop role in my planned "game where the scum are all Godfathers".
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