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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 19:52:54 GMT -5
I never said that I thought that Storyteller and Scathach were acting scummy by lurking... The two players that I feel are scummy have been soft confirmed or are the ones that are soft confirming people. I voted for them for lack of participation... Not because I thought that they were acting scummy by lurking, different in my opinion.
I am Christian. Hey Guiri did something happen to you Night 1 that makes you a little bit more innocent? Now I don't know how Innocent or guilty you were to begin with, but...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 19:54:05 GMT -5
Opps sorry for the bolding...
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 17, 2013 20:12:35 GMT -5
Are we all just accepting that Chucara is cleared then? I guess so. Do we have evidence that Moley knows this? I'll unvote for now, but Chucara is my clear lynch favorite if we are not sure Moley knows.
Unvote Chucara [/color] Vote Ginger for voting for low participation.
I think scathath is right about texcat when pointing out that it is a very weird thing to wonder why an investigator would wait until players are under threat to reveal their Town allignment. Of course they'd wait!
Vote Texcat
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 20:20:18 GMT -5
Ok so here is my claim since the votes are racking up on me...
06. The Intercessor, Christian, Mechanic/Investigator - JustBeingGinger Role Name: The Intercessor Alignment: Christian Victory Conditions: 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: a. Lynching or killing Devils will always help your team. b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. c. Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin. Role Type: Mechanic/Investigator Powers: 1. Each Night you may pray for another living or dead player. This will reduce their sins by half. If you target a living player, they cannot be recruited that Night. If you target a dead player, their soul cannot be claimed by a Devil that Night. You will also learn where a dead player's soul is. Initial Sins: 1
The first night I cleared Guiri of a sin or half of his sins, I have no idea how many he started out with. Night 2 I cleared SisC of her sins, for which I got a PM saying that SisC is in Heaven.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 20:20:35 GMT -5
I am not revealing my Cardinal Sin...
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 17, 2013 20:57:03 GMT -5
unvote Just Being Ginger
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Post by texcat on Feb 17, 2013 22:31:33 GMT -5
Are we all just accepting that Chucara is cleared then? I guess so. Do we have evidence that Moley knows this? I'll unvote for now, but Chucara is my clear lynch favorite if we are not sure Moley knows. Unvote Chucara[/color] Vote Ginger for voting for low participation. I think scathath is right about texcat when pointing out that it is a very weird thing to wonder why an investigator would wait until players are under threat to reveal their Town allignment. Of course they'd wait! Vote Texcat[/quote] Mahaloth, you have all of this wrong. What I said was that Hockey who is NOT an investigator is vouching for the 2 scummiest players in the game. I did not say anything about the timing except to thank her for not waiting till the last minute. You may not have been here when she vouched for misterV at the last minute and we subsequently voted for the filibuster. Vote: Mahaloth
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Post by texcat on Feb 17, 2013 22:53:47 GMT -5
Unvote: Ginger
Ginger, when you removed a sin from Guiri, did you get a confirmation from the mod that a sin was removed?
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 17, 2013 22:57:36 GMT -5
Mahaloth, you have all of this wrong. What I said was that Hockey who is NOT an investigator is vouching for the 2 scummiest players in the game. I did not say anything about the timing except to thank her for not waiting till the last minute. You may not have been here when she vouched for misterV at the last minute and we subsequently voted for the filibuster. Oh....I guess that makes more sense. Unvote Texcat
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 17, 2013 22:58:25 GMT -5
Is anyone else having problems posting colored and bolded votes right now? I can not get that unvote of texcat to work, no matter how I code it. I've used the gui and done it myself and it fails.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 17, 2013 22:59:20 GMT -5
Unvote Texcat
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 17, 2013 22:59:49 GMT -5
OK, never mind.
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Post by crys on Feb 17, 2013 23:00:15 GMT -5
At this moment I am accepting all the soft clears, and I am having trouble deciding where I should place my vote. I see where several people have placed lazy/omgus/opportunistic votes.
unvote no lynch
Vote Pollux Oil
Pollux hasn't given much information and basically recycled over and over what has been posted in the threads previously. By doing this he has given some fairly meaty posts, but not much new by what I have read.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 23:27:39 GMT -5
[/color] Ginger, when you removed a sin from Guiri, did you get a confirmation from the mod that a sin was removed?[/quote] No reply back from the mod on confirmation that there was any sin removal
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 23:45:52 GMT -5
Are we all just accepting that Chucara is cleared then? I guess so. Do we have evidence that Moley knows this? I'll unvote for now, but Chucara is my clear lynch favorite if we are not sure Moley knows. BE sure. If I'm not a devil, Chucara is not a devil. (Also vice versa, I believe.) I am 100% certain of this. My immediate problems with Ginger's claim are these: 1) "They cannot be recruited that Night." It's fair to say that the possibility of recruitment has been mentioned numerous times, yet you've never brought this up until now? You could have specified the possibility of recruitment without making a full claim, surely? 2) "This will reduce their sins by half". What if a player has an odd number of sins? My own role PM is very, very exact about what happens in each specific scenario.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 23:55:59 GMT -5
Also: "Their soul cannot be claimed by a devil that night"? So devils claim dead players' souls at night? I have no idea why you'd wait until forced to claim before revealing this information. Heck, Idle's "hints" gave you an ideal opportunity.
Vote: JustBeingGinger.
And now the spectre of recruitment rears its head again... I am getting seriously worried here.
HockeyMonkey, you say that the people you've cleared are still Christian. Ok. Fine. Accepting that and moving on.
So here's my next question: I appreciate that you don't want to give away the mechanics of your role; but this is important, to say the least. If I know somebody is not a devil on Day One, can I be sure that that person is not a devil on subsequent days?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 18, 2013 0:03:50 GMT -5
Vote Pollux OilPollux hasn't given much information and basically recycled over and over what has been posted in the threads previously. By doing this he has given some fairly meaty posts, but not much new by what I have read. I'd suggest you go back and actually read things I've posted, instead of reading my latest post and using it to judge my contributions. I made one summary of information post, but the rest of the game I have been putting forth theories and trying to get to the bottom of how the game works and how we can win. This is such a misrepresentation of how I've been playing that I'd definitely vote for you if you hadn't already claimed Pagan. But right now I'm more concerned with Devils than the Pagan win condition. As for my own votes, I'm going to: Vote colby11His vote for wombat threw up red flags for me. It seemed like a weak vote, using the easy justification of "sounds like a fake claim" and "could be a third-party win-stealer" paranoia. On top of that, he tosses out the idea that Pagans could be a group for scum to recruit out of for additional paranoia, but votes for the Heretic, not the Pagans. It doesn't add up to me. I'd also vote for Chucara, because he voted for mahaloth, dizzy, and guiri for "what seems like an attempt to try to coerce town into hunting "3rd parties"" but didn't mention colby's vote in his post. Unfortunately, we have Moley's word Chucara's a non-Devil so I won't be placing a vote there. Honestly, all the confirmations are really making me uncomfortable. Especially now that Ginger has claimed and this was in her PM: If you target a living player, they cannot be recruited that Night. Hockey Monkey is just making me super, super dee duper uncomfortable. She is so sure of herself. She's implied she's some sort of investigator when it's pointed out that it was convenient she cleared two people of high suspicion. However, investigators can be fooled or redirected, and her absolute unwavering stance on the Christianity of visceral and lizzy makes me uneasy. It's way more in line with a masonry, however I can't understand why she wouldn't just come out and say that instead of making a big deal about it. I'm worried that Hockey Monkey will slowly "confirm" people as Christians but she'll be actually taking them over/recruiting them, and nobody will do anything about it. This idea stems from the Conspiracy V game, where the Freemasons essentially "confirmed" each other, but one was Hoopy and every time he shook hands with a Freemason he turned them to Cabal. But the masons ended up "confirmed." This bothers the back of my mind because it was Conspiracy, which made it a Pleonast game, and it wouldn't surprise me if there was something similar to that in this game since he left the option of recruitment open. This is, of course, possibly a great deal of paranoia. There may be a perfectly Christian reason why Hockey Monkey is not sharing her full info. So I won't vote for her right now. But as I've said before, I'm going to have a low tolerance of the lack of information as the days progress, especially if she "clears" yet another person as 100% Christian on Day Four. On preview, I see a few posts by Moley: 1) "They cannot be recruited that Night." It's fair to say that the possibility of recruitment has been mentioned numerous times, yet you've never brought this up until now? You could have specified the possibility of recruitment without making a full claim, surely? Also: "Their soul cannot be claimed by a devil that night"? So devils claim dead players' souls at night? I have no idea why you'd wait until forced to claim before revealing this information. Heck, Idle's "hints" gave you an ideal opportunity. I think you're not seeing the big picture. Ginger revealing this sort of information without her role still throws up a huge flag for Devils (and anyone, really) that her role is related to recruitment and/or soul-claiming. The fact that not everybody has this information means she didn't have to share it immediately. Honestly, the recruitment information isn't anything special: recruitment was a possibility from the rules, and all her information tells us is there is the possibility of recruitment in the game, something we already surmised. Her information on souls also isn't anything bigger than what Idle already let us know: Devils can claim souls, the only additional information is that it happens at Night, which is not exactly a big enough deal for her to out herself. Finally, her information that Sister Coyote is in Heaven is completely new information, and also may line up with information we already have: crys attempted to link up with Sister Coyote but couldn't. Perhaps because crys is a Pagan, she's unable to reach Heaven with her ability. I'm willing to believe Ginger's claim for now, especially since it seems like an important ability. Your immediate response in trying to put her back on the block for minor information in her claim is an overreaction to me.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 18, 2013 0:07:35 GMT -5
Ugh, I totally could have made a "you're making a mountain out of a molehill" pun in response to Moley in that last post. Now I'm kicking myself.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 18, 2013 0:12:44 GMT -5
@pollux Oil- if you would read carefully, I voted for wombat, who claimed to be a Heretic, because I am afraid that he is possibly a winstealer from town.
Please read my explanations, they do make sense (at least to me)
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 18, 2013 0:56:36 GMT -5
I can confirm that JustBeingGinger did visit Guiri on N1, obviously I don't know what she was doing there but she didn't kill him.
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 1:14:44 GMT -5
I can confirm that JustBeingGinger did visit Guiri on N1, obviously I don't know what she was doing there but she didn't kill him. Thanks. Unvote GingerI didn't receive any information about sins being removed, thanks! This sort of power could have helped explain what happened between SisterC/Laurie. Till I get a chance to reread and digest the new info: Vote no lynch
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 18, 2013 1:47:34 GMT -5
Since sins may or may not effect you ( although losing them is Good ) does anyone else find it curious that we are not told when/if our sin count changes?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 7:29:12 GMT -5
I still want to har from HockeyMonkey before I even think about unvoting Ginger. That role PM does not make sense to me. All the time we're arguing about recruitment, and she keeps quiet about a massive piece of information like that? And that's even disregarding the odd-number-of-sins thing. I appreciate that this is the first time something like this has been confirmed, but that just raises the question: why? Is it seriously likely that only one non-devil in the game has a mention of night recruitment in their role?
HockeyMonkey, to repeat my question: if you can be sure that people who weren't devils still aren't devils, can I be sure of the same thing? Because otherwise it seems to me I've just put a massive red flag above Chucara's head on Day One saying "Recruit this guy!"
The thing I'm most worried about now - nobody has claimed that somebody has tried to recruit them. If Ginger is telling the truth (and, as stated above, that's a pretty huge "if") then there's one thing that makes me a lot happier - my choice for the obvious person for the devils to recruit, that I mentioned at the beginning of Day 2, was Guiri... and Ginger claimed to have visited him.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 7:30:28 GMT -5
I can confirm that JustBeingGinger did visit Guiri on N1, obviously I don't know what she was doing there but she didn't kill him. Oooooooooooh. Ok, this changes a few things. Unvote: Ginger.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 7:30:45 GMT -5
Moley, there was some back-and-forth between you and Chucara on Day 1 about Suburban. What is your current position on Suburban? Soft-cleared or unknown?
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 7:35:14 GMT -5
Vote: no lynch
Because I've still got nothing to grasp onto
Vote: Storyteller
For being the lurkiest lurker
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 8:44:30 GMT -5
I can confirm that JustBeingGinger did visit Guiri on N1, obviously I don't know what she was doing there but she didn't kill him. I thought you tracked Guiri and saw him visit someone. Now you are saying that you also watched Guiri and Ginger visited him?
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 8:52:05 GMT -5
Nevermind. I found your claim and I see that you can do both at once. Oh well, I suppose I have to answer this eventually. I can investigate someone at Night that I have voted for during the Day. I get results of who visits them and who they visit.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 8:58:14 GMT -5
Are we all just accepting that Chucara is cleared then? I guess so. Do we have evidence that Moley knows this? I'll unvote for now, but Chucara is my clear lynch favorite if we are not sure Moley knows. BE sure. If I'm not a devil, Chucara is not a devil. (Also vice versa, I believe.) I am 100% certain of this. My immediate problems with Ginger's claim are these: 1) "They cannot be recruited that Night." It's fair to say that the possibility of recruitment has been mentioned numerous times, yet you've never brought this up until now? You could have specified the possibility of recruitment without making a full claim, surely? 2) "This will reduce their sins by half". What if a player has an odd number of sins? My own role PM is very, very exact about what happens in each specific scenario. If you remember I questioned someone about how they were so sure that there was recruitment in this game, I think it might have been you. Not sure... Plus I was not sure if there was 3rd parties in this game and if they could or could not recruit. To my knowledge there was just Devil recruitment, because it break the game if town could recruit scum... I did not want to give the Devils any information that I knew there was a recruitment and that I could block it. Plus I really don't have any information about recruitment other than I can block it. Not sure about the odd number of sins, my PM is what my PM is, to me it doesn't matter how the mod handles it, as long as the sins are reduced, I don't care it benefits town...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
Also: "Their soul cannot be claimed by a devil that night"? So devils claim dead players' souls at night? I have no idea why you'd wait until forced to claim before revealing this information. Heck, Idle's "hints" gave you an ideal opportunity. Vote: JustBeingGinger.And now the spectre of recruitment rears its head again... I am getting seriously worried here. HockeyMonkey, you say that the people you've cleared are still Christian. Ok. Fine. Accepting that and moving on. So here's my next question: I appreciate that you don't want to give away the mechanics of your role; but this is important, to say the least. If I know somebody is not a devil on Day One, can I be sure that that person is not a devil on subsequent days? If you look back I brought it up as a question about what happens after a lynch if the souls are in purgatory or if they go to heaven or hell. I will look back through the posts to see. No one responded to me, I think...
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