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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 9:04:37 GMT -5
Ginger, your role title says Investigator/Mechanic, but I don't see the Investigator part in your claim?
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 9:08:04 GMT -5
I guess that's the bit about learning where dead players' souls are.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 18, 2013 9:08:18 GMT -5
Hockey Monkey is just making me super, super dee duper uncomfortable. She is so sure of herself. She's implied she's some sort of investigator when it's pointed out that it was convenient she cleared two people of high suspicion. However, investigators can be fooled or redirected, and her absolute unwavering stance on the Christianity of visceral and lizzy makes me uneasy. It's way more in line with a masonry, however I can't understand why she wouldn't just come out and say that instead of making a big deal about it. Pollux, don't over think it. I am not worried about Hockey's claim at the moment about Mr. V I'm sure she has a good reason to not want to open up her bag of tricks fully. And FWIW, I cannot be recruited.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 9:09:23 GMT -5
Ginger, your role title says Investigator/Mechanic, but I don't see the Investigator part in your claim? It is really not a investigating role. I cannot PM the mod and ask to investigate a person and find out their alignment. The only investigative part is that I find out if the dead player's soul is in heaven or hell. Having said that I think our wincon is that we need to have more souls in Heaven than the Devils have in hell. Still not sure about this, but that would be the only reason I can think of that I would need to know if where their soul is.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 18, 2013 9:13:27 GMT -5
I really don't like this lynch of Ginger at all. I think given her PM that she has an important role for whoever is "Town".
Holy I'm not that concerned about Ginger's odd numbered sin thing.....because my PM has something similar that doesn't qualify what happens (and I'm using Ginger's example as an example) if I reduce an odd number of sins by 50%. (I cannot do that, I just don't want to talk about my specific role)
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 9:13:30 GMT -5
Ginger, your role title says Investigator/Mechanic, but I don't see the Investigator part in your claim? I did ask the mod if it was like a COP type role, but in asking him I got him confused and he basically re-stated what my role is. I can post PM's if you like.
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 9:20:53 GMT -5
No, no. Thanks, I got it.
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Post by crys on Feb 18, 2013 9:36:31 GMT -5
D'oh! Idle, any way you can provide a mirror URL without the word "game" in the title? On the contrary i did reread your posts. I can admit that you have been active in discussion. However with that activity in my opinion you haven't been doing much other than recycle other theories adding your own spin to them. So much so that you had completely fallen off my radar. I could be wrong but it feels like active lurking to me and that always makes me uneasy Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by crys on Feb 18, 2013 9:38:01 GMT -5
Neta the previous post is intended as a reply to pollux....not sure what happened with the quote there.
Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 9:38:24 GMT -5
Moley, there was some back-and-forth between you and Chucara on Day 1 about Suburban. What is your current position on Suburban? Soft-cleared or unknown? Unknown, and a suspect. (I actually voted him earlier on, although changed my mind a little later.)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 9:41:49 GMT -5
Ginger, your role title says Investigator/Mechanic, but I don't see the Investigator part in your claim? It is really not a investigating role. I cannot PM the mod and ask to investigate a person and find out their alignment. The only investigative part is that I find out if the dead player's soul is in heaven or hell. Having said that I think our wincon is that we need to have more souls in Heaven than the Devils have in hell. Still not sure about this, but that would be the only reason I can think of that I would need to know if where their soul is. My suspicion is that that's true for the Christians. The other groups probably have their own win conditions regarding souls, etc.
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 10:15:13 GMT -5
Silverjan, Can you tell us if anything happened as a consequence of your lustful night?
crys, Did you accept or decline the offer? I might suggest that you decline the offer. I thought at first that it might be some kind of recruiting mason group, but I don't think so now. If it is in keeping with the color, it looks more like an offer from a Devil to me. Selling your soul for a night of lustful pleasure and protection??
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Post by scáthach on Feb 18, 2013 10:17:12 GMT -5
Ok so here is my claim since the votes are racking up on me... 06. The Intercessor, Christian, Mechanic/Investigator - JustBeingGinger Role Name: The Intercessor Alignment: Christian Victory Conditions: 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: a. Lynching or killing Devils will always help your team. b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. c. Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin. Role Type: Mechanic/Investigator Powers: 1. Each Night you may pray for another living or dead player. This will reduce their sins by half. If you target a living player, they cannot be recruited that Night. If you target a dead player, their soul cannot be claimed by a Devil that Night. You will also learn where a dead player's soul is. Initial Sins: 1 The first night I cleared Guiri of a sin or half of his sins, I have no idea how many he started out with. Night 2 I cleared SisC of her sins, for which I got a PM saying that SisC is in Heaven. unvote JustBeingGinger
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Post by scáthach on Feb 18, 2013 10:18:04 GMT -5
Neta the previous post is intended as a reply to pollux....not sure what happened with the quote there. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards That's happened me with the proboards app a few times before.
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Post by scáthach on Feb 18, 2013 10:26:47 GMT -5
I didn't receive any information about sins being removed, thanks! This sort of power could have helped explain what happened between SisterC/Laurie. Since sins may or may not effect you ( although losing them is Good ) does anyone else find it curious that we are not told when/if our sin count changes? That is kind of interesting actually. Combined with Sister C's role, I'm beginning to get a little worried about sins.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 10:27:17 GMT -5
Silverjan, Can you tell us if anything happened as a consequence of your lustful night? crys, Did you accept or decline the offer? I might suggest that you decline the offer. I thought at first that it might be some kind of recruiting mason group, but I don't think so now. If it is in keeping with the color, it looks more like an offer from a Devil to me. Selling your soul for a night of lustful pleasure and protection?? I don't think so. I think that it's just whoever has the Lust Cardinal Sin using their power. I think Crys should try to contact SisC again now that we know she is in Heaven (if she was in Purgatory last Night, that may be why Crys couldn't contact her.) FOS on Texcat for not wanting Crys to obtain any information from the afterlife.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 10:29:45 GMT -5
Silverjan, Can you tell us if anything happened as a consequence of your lustful night? crys, Did you accept or decline the offer? I might suggest that you decline the offer. I thought at first that it might be some kind of recruiting mason group, but I don't think so now. If it is in keeping with the color, it looks more like an offer from a Devil to me. Selling your soul for a night of lustful pleasure and protection?? I don't think so. I think that it's just whoever has the Lust Cardinal Sin using their power. I think Crys should try to contact SisC again now that we know she is in Heaven (if she was in Purgatory last Night, that may be why Crys couldn't contact her.) FOS on Texcat for not wanting Crys to obtain any information from the afterlife. Never mind - disregard above, I misread what Texcat was saying. Still looking for a straw to grasp.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 18, 2013 10:30:47 GMT -5
Wow so busy and I am not going to be able to catch up before Day is over
Vote no lynch
I don't like that vote at all but have to have something down. I am sorry things should be quieter here at home this week.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 18, 2013 10:49:30 GMT -5
Okay.... How does recruitment work in this game..... Are the Christians trying to recruit Pagans.....Seems like a rational Real World thought... Are Devils trying to recruit the Pagans? Can the Heretics cause the Christian's demise, like they did IRL? I'm very wary of a Heretic designation, because that just isn't a good guy. They typically deceive, undermine religious beliefs/morality, etc... I'm not that familiar with the Manichee religion at all to comment on that. So we have at least 4 groups: Christians Heretics Pagans Devils Is there also Pharisee group??? I am still 100% certain his alignment is Christian. Really 100% Not like 95% or anything lol. Sorry that I didn't catch these posts earlier. One penalty for each edited post.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 18, 2013 11:12:54 GMT -5
FFS, I thought we were allowed to edit in this game.
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5
Still looking for a straw to grasp. I know exactly how you feel, given that "no lynch" is tied for the lead, I'm tempted to vote filibuster. There's a 4-way tie between a player who's unlikely to be around to defend himself (Story), two players I don't have a read on (Suburban and Texcat), and no-lynch. Behind them, on three votes, is a claimed heretic (wombat) and behind her, on two votes, a soft-confirmed christian (dizzy), a sin-eater (Ginger), and two other players I don't have a read on (mahaloth and Scathach). I'll try to get back online before EoD but for now I'd prefer a lynch to go ahead than a no lynch: Unvote No LynchVote SuburbanVote TexCatVote WombatVote MahalothVote Scathach
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 18, 2013 11:25:05 GMT -5
Because I have a mid-day meeting today, I am going to extend the Day until 2pm PT, to give me a chance to respond to PMs beforehand.
dizzymrslizzy, I never allow editing. You're probably thinking of storyteller's game. Anyway, it's easy to remove penalties.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 18, 2013 11:25:50 GMT -5
Being that Suburban and Texcat are right up there in votes and we know nothing about them or their roles, I was really hoping they would chip in and give us a little something to work with. I DON'T want a Ginger lynch right now. And I'm not going to be here at EOD to find out if anyone showed up to discuss this more. So I'm just leaving my vote where it is....
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 11:41:13 GMT -5
I have just accepted an offer to cleanse my sins toNight. I assume this was from Ryjae. Town will soon have confirmation that I am not a Devil.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 18, 2013 11:51:15 GMT -5
Right, I'm a putz. I signed up for this game genuinely believing I'd have time to play, but real-life things always seem to happen when I enroll. I see that I have garnered some votes, presumably for lurking, and I can't argue with these, really - I've earned them.
However, it would be a bad move to lynch me; I am a Christian. And I'm going to try to keep up. Catching up fully, with the time I have left in Day Three, was a fool's errand, so instead I decided to focus on a narrow area and see what I could see.
I think there's been a lot of focus on the setup and what it implies, and very little discussion of the voting from a mechanical standpoint.
I'm going to start with an assumption: whether or not BillMc is Town or Scum or something else, at least one Devil voted for him on Day Two. If anyone needs more detailed explanation of this assumption, let me know. There were eight voters on Bill at Day's end, and of them, two (Sister C and lauriern) are now dead and revealed to be Christian. That leaves six: Idle Thoughts, crys, silverjan, mistervisceral, scathach, and Hockey Monkey.
All six of these players voted for patricia, a Devil, on Day One.
I don't believe Idle Thoughts is a Devil. There, I said it. His overall behavior simply doesn't correspond with what I'd expect from Scum.
Of the remaining five, my first instinct was to look askance at mistervisceral. However, Hockey Monkey appears sure enough of his innocence that I'd prefer to let both of them alone for a bit; if she's pulling something, we'll find out eventually.
That leaves three: crys, silverjan, and scathach.
When scat initially voted for patricia back on Day One, he did so referencing Idle's post pointing out the (evident) contradiction between her claims and Idle's own PM. He did say that his OWN PM did not contain the same hint as Idle's claimed one, though. Would Scum do this? I can see Scum scathach abandoning ship on patricia quickly, but not including that second statement... because Scum scathach would have no idea that early on whether or not to contradict Idle. On the other hand, if Scum scathach has a fake role PM that doesn't match Idle's, then the statement makes more sense. And the timing of scat's vote for patricia matches about what I'd expect from Devils realizing the jig is up before most of the other players do. On the whole:
vote scathach
Crys' vote for patricia was because she "pinged" crys with her talk of sins and roles and the like - no mention of the inconsistencies that eventually led to patricia's downfall. This looks less Scum than Town to me; a bandwagoning Scum would be unlikely to offer such a non-sequitor reason for the vote.
Finally, there's Silver Jan. There's nothing really all that interesting about her patricia vote; at the time she made it, she could just as easily have been Scum getting on the wagon or a Townie twigging to the truth. I need to do more reading on her, but until I do, I'll put down a vote just to get it on the record.
vote Silver Jan
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 18, 2013 11:52:09 GMT -5
For the record, I am strongly opposed to a no-lynch.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 11:55:50 GMT -5
[color=red Unvote Storyteller[/color][/b] I don't like the fact that he has not been on at all to defend himself. It is not like him. He is a better player to know that scum have to participate...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 11:56:23 GMT -5
unvote storyteller
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 18, 2013 11:58:21 GMT -5
Because I have a mid-day meeting today, I am going to extend the Day until 2pm PT, to give me a chance to respond to PMs beforehand. dizzymrslizzy, I never allow editing. You're probably thinking of storyteller's game. Anyway, it's easy to remove penalties. No I got confused, because you opened it up for a vote in the sign up thread, I for some reason thought that it got voted in agreement. No biggie, it was a mistake on my part. Sorry!
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 12:15:43 GMT -5
@ storyteller, Yes, I would like an explanation of why you assume there was a Devil voting for Bill. At this moment I am accepting all the soft clears, and I am having trouble deciding where I should place my vote. I see where several people have placed lazy/omgus/opportunistic votes. unvote no lynchVote Pollux OilPollux hasn't given much information and basically recycled over and over what has been posted in the threads previously. By doing this he has given some fairly meaty posts, but not much new by what I have read. I went back to look at Pollux. His votes (linked for easy access to the full posts, but summarized): 1.200 He votes crys. "To have a vote on the table. I'm voting for her because both her votes look less like scum hunting and more like finding a place to put her votes." 1.305 Says he doesn't know about Patricia. Votes BillMc, Gnarly, Laurie, Patricia, Solaris, because they have not voted. 2.125 votes mrV. votes Wombat for her lynching the sinless remark. 2.178 unvotes mrV. votes dizzy, SisC, KidV "I wish I could nail down exactly what I find scummy about these three, but it's more of a gut feeling." votes mahaloth for voting a lynch leader while catching up. 3.316 Votes colby for colby's vote on wombat. Pollux was on the very tail end of the Patricia wagon, and even then he voted her for not having a vote down. In spite of his first vote for crys for finding a place to put her votes, Pollux looks quite a bit like he's looking for a place to put his votes. When he voted for the filibuster yesterDay, he promised that he would hold those voting for the filibuster accountable and see what they did in the extra time. He did do some analysis at the time about whether the voters for the tied lynch leaders were filibustering or not, but I never saw him give stinky eyes to anyone toDay. Promising analysis later and not delivering raises red flags and alarm bells to me. Vote: Pollux Oil
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