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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 16, 2013 21:43:41 GMT -5
I've obviously messed up, then. My error seems to be that I don't get your role or how you know this. Would it be wise for you to tell us how you know? If you have, can you remind me since I've obviously missed it? Thanks. It would absolutely not be wise. I do not like having to tell the collective "town", if it can be called that, that they should trust me purely based on their trust in me, and not in any reasoning that I can provide to support that point of view. All I can say is this: if nobody believes me and Chucara ends up being lynched as a Christian, it would still not be as disastrous to the non-devil factions as what might happen if I were to say exactly what the information is that I'm keeping from the devils here. (Again, Chucara, don't comment on ANY of what I'm saying here. If you know what I'm talking about, you know why.)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 16, 2013 21:51:59 GMT -5
Aw, crap. He's not even going to see that last post. Ok then.
Chucara, I addressed a post directly to you at the end of page eight. Can you take a look? Also, don't comment on anything I've posted here or in any of my comments concerning you. Seriously... don't. I'm really dreading you giving something away here. It's taken me over an hour to write about five paragraphs here. That's how paranoid I'm being.
TL:DR version: I have info, I can't broadcast it, and depending on how this game plays out, it may be entirely harmless if it's broadcast; or it may be really, really bad. I'm not willing to chance the last scenario, even if it means that Chucara or even myself gets lynched. Worst that can happen: I end up in hell. Well, I've been headed there most of my life anyway, I guess.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 16, 2013 21:55:09 GMT -5
I'm somehow even more confused. I have to think about this.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 16, 2013 22:29:59 GMT -5
Aw, crap. He's not even going to see that last post. Ok then. ~snipped why would chuc not see your previous post?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 16, 2013 22:33:48 GMT -5
Magic bags are flying around like- well-magic bags
If you have stuff you can’t share don’t toss a rock that smells like a bone= wolves are sensitive to that sort of thing
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Post by crys on Feb 16, 2013 22:35:27 GMT -5
Really trying to distinguish who is the real town at this point is just ridiculous. If we really want to get down to brass tacks the many forms of paganism were evident LONG before christianity took root.
Paganism has been first documented starting around or before 10,000 BC. Christianity came to be from Judaism during the 1st century during the common era.
I don't really think that we need to focus on all of this too much. The theology is running rampant throughout this discussion and I don't think that the pagan/christian issue is a huge one.
I'm not sure on the heretic because positive and negative examples can be given. Gallileo was considered a heretic and I think his discoveries have been beneficial. If we start delving too deeply into these semantics we will soon be arguing the illuminati and other such conspiracy theories.
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Post by crys on Feb 16, 2013 22:36:46 GMT -5
Aw, crap. He's not even going to see that last post. Ok then. Chucara, I addressed a post directly to you at the end of page eight. Can you take a look? Also, don't comment on anything I've posted here or in any of my comments concerning you. Seriously... don't. I'm really dreading you giving something away here. It's taken me over an hour to write about five paragraphs here. That's how paranoid I'm being. TL:DR version: I have info, I can't broadcast it, and depending on how this game plays out, it may be entirely harmless if it's broadcast; or it may be really, really bad. I'm not willing to chance the last scenario, even if it means that Chucara or even myself gets lynched. Worst that can happen: I end up in hell. Well, I've been headed there most of my life anyway, I guess. If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 16, 2013 23:00:44 GMT -5
I will unvote Chucara if/when he responds to Moley's test and Moley is satisfied he is not a devil.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 16, 2013 23:02:23 GMT -5
Vote: holy moley the ever increasing bits of magic bag has become more than can be ignored
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 16, 2013 23:04:07 GMT -5
along the same lines Vote: hockey monkey
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 16, 2013 23:25:54 GMT -5
Aw, crap. He's not even going to see that last post. Ok then. Chucara, I addressed a post directly to you at the end of page eight. Can you take a look? Also, don't comment on anything I've posted here or in any of my comments concerning you. Seriously... don't. I'm really dreading you giving something away here. It's taken me over an hour to write about five paragraphs here. That's how paranoid I'm being. TL:DR version: I have info, I can't broadcast it, and depending on how this game plays out, it may be entirely harmless if it's broadcast; or it may be really, really bad. I'm not willing to chance the last scenario, even if it means that Chucara or even myself gets lynched. Worst that can happen: I end up in hell. Well, I've been headed there most of my life anyway, I guess. If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right? I think you are mixing up the HM'sHoly has only cleared ChucaraHockey has cleared Mr. V and myself
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 16, 2013 23:36:47 GMT -5
And on that topic....Bill, Lightfoot, and Holy
Is there a reason that you still have your votes on me? Right now we have a 3 vote each 3 way tie between:
Me, Texcat and Wombat
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 16, 2013 23:38:18 GMT -5
along the same lines Vote: hockey monkey [/color][/quote] I also note you haven't unvoted DML. Want to go ahead ane make it a trifecta with Mr V? Then maybe you'll get a result on one of us and can cross confirm. Didn't you say that you were able to investigate someone you voted for that day? If I'm not misremembering that could you fill us in on any results you have so far?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 17, 2013 3:56:18 GMT -5
dizzy your vote on a player that had NO reason to ‘invent’ an extra faction is bothersome* to me so I voted you.
Hockey same for you
Well that and with the new information I don’t fully “get” how someone could be 100% sure that a player is a Christian before they even knew there were other factions
As to the other I have posted about as much as I can about it
*Not the right word- try opportunistic- or
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Post by Chucara on Feb 17, 2013 4:53:25 GMT -5
25. Yes, I know why you are being cryptic.
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Post by Chucara on Feb 17, 2013 4:54:24 GMT -5
Ack.. Missed the last page. Last post was directed at Holy Moley!
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Post by guiri on Feb 17, 2013 5:09:33 GMT -5
Perhaps abandoning the game entirely might not be a good strategy. Yeah, two of your lynch candidates have yet to post toDay. I usually make a distinction between lurkers and non-participants as I believe non-participation is rarely ever an indication of alignment, just real life getting in the way. Do you have any other suspects or do you think the best strategy for day 3 is to remove some of the dead weight? guiri I am not going to quote your multi quote I have voted What exactly is your question? You were rallying town to start hunting for devils rather than discuss religion but your own vote is on a player who has been soft cleared as 100% Christian by HockeyMonkey, is that hunting devils? You seem like you're not going to be worrying about the other factions. I, personally, will continue to stay wary of them. You have that right, just as I have that right Idle, I think the only explanation for Moley's attitude to non-Christians is that he is one himself and either really believes they pose no harm to Christians or, obviously, wants us to believe that's the case. I think I know where you're (not) going with this, some sort of handshake? Well that and with the new information I don’t fully “get” how someone could be 100% sure that a player is a Christian before they even knew there were other factions I can think of two scenarios: an alignment cop who knows results are always true or masons.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 6:31:18 GMT -5
I am catching up. Can someone point me to Wombat's soft claim? Hockey Monkey can I ask why you are specifically voting for me? My notes for you do not contain the words "Leaning Christian". I'm voting for you right now because you are on my list of possible scum. Ok so can you say what makes me possible scum? What have I done or said? Other than the ones that have been soft confirmed, isn't everyone possible scum? You place a vote with nothing to back it up?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 7:44:44 GMT -5
I'm a guy And yes, I completely realize that I have a stupid nickname for determining gender, but I have been using it for waaay too long to replace it. Maybe El Chucara would clear things up a little. Anyway, back to the game with some votes (for now): Lurker votes based on Todays participation (and yes, I deserve one too, sorry about that): Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color] Vote: KidVermicious [/color] Next up, can someone please clarify the BillMc situation. From my view, we have a de facto investigator, who was either declined or blocked, right? From my read, BillMc was targetted, and accepted, so scum MUST have a day blocker, right? Second, I don't like the following people for what seems like an attempt to try to coerce town into hunting "3rd parties": Vote: mahaloth [/color] Vote: guiri [/color] Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy Vote:
I am perfectly fine with lynching any of the ones I've cast a vote on. Wombat and Bill have kinda slipped off my scumdar, so pending a reread when I have more time, no votes for them (sorry guys )[/quote] So you are voting for lack of participation on these voters, but you yourself had only posted once prior to yesterday and you admitted to reading pages 1-4 and then zoned out the rest... I don't know what to think about Holey Moley and his soft confirm... It seems to me that a bunch of people know what alignment other people are, I remain clueless... I tend to agree with Idle, we know our wincon, but 3rd parties have their own and yes, sometimes they can win with town and sometimes not... It is not safe to assume that all we have to do is just kill some Devils in order to walk away with the win. Now I can see either the Pagans or the Heretics being maybe a mason group and not a 3rd party, but once again, I am clueless. The two people that I find suspicious are somewhat confirmed town. Chucara and Hockey Monkey Holey Moley soft confirmed Chucara and if I believe what Hockey Monkey is saying about the confirming others, I tend to have to believe that she is also Christian... Vote Storyteller Vote ScathachFor not posting at all Day 3...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 8:34:20 GMT -5
And on that topic.... Bill, Lightfoot, and Holy Is there a reason that you still have your votes on me? Right now we have a 3 vote each 3 way tie between: Me, Texcat and Wombat I "unvoted all"? Lightfoot, a magic bag implies that I'm promising to make information public later on. I'm not promising anything of the kind here. I cannot offer any reasoning as to what I'm doing except that if Chucara was able to answer my question, it would absolutely and unquestionably clear him of being a devil. He has, so... Chucara is absolutely not a devil. No chance in hell, to use a pun. Crys, my quote tags seem to be seriously messed up when I try to quote more than one post at a time, so regarding this: "If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right?" Do you have any evidence at all that the devils are able to kill? Paranoia was a marty, which strongly implies to me that the whole point of her role is to die for the Christians; Laurie was apparently killed by her own power. Where are the scum kills here?
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 17, 2013 8:43:04 GMT -5
Just chiming in briefly, as it's a busy weekend, but I like the argument for a SisC lynch. vote Sister Coyote I am just a wee bit concerned that catching 2 Scum in 2 Days because both made mistakes concerning Cardinal Sins falls into the "too easy" category...but I'm willing to go with it for now. This post pings me, you agree with the votes on SisC and do go along with them but you gave yourself a nice out by saying that you are worried that it's too easy to catch scum this way. I got the same message as Idle did about protection and I accepted. I didn't have to do anything in the duel with Lauriern, I just got the PM at Dawn. I did get Investigation results on D2 about what someone did on N1 and I haven't revealed them yet. I didn't get results for N2 as I knew I wouldn't. I don't want to go into details about why I didn't, it would give the Devils too much information and I don't think that's a good thing. silverjan, I think it would be a good idea if you took a few moments to tell us, plainly and clearly and in some detail, exactly what PMs you received, how they affected your potential for using your abilities, and when you did or did not actually use your abilities. So far, it seems that you've given a lot of cryptic hints and hurried explanations, and it seems pretty obvious that there's a good deal of confusion about what you actually meant to say. Sowing confusion is not a Townie trait, so it would be a 'good thing' for you to set things straight. As I have answered this question, I feel that I must come back to it. I don't have to go into all the details of my PM's, I think you are just fishing for the Devil team. I took awhile before addressing this because my first reactions are always knee jerk but it just looks as if a scummy SP wants more information, information that I don't think the Devils need to know and I haven't revealed everything about my N1 investigation. If people think I should then by all means I will but it must come from people that I consider trustworthy. Vote Suburban Plankton
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 8:43:35 GMT -5
Just in case Pleonast missed my former unvote:
Unvote: All.
That should do it.
Going to go through whoever's left and try and work out the more likely devils among them. If Dizzy's not a devil, a whole lot of assumptions I've made go right out the window, so I'm starting from scratch here, albeit with a lot more information than we had just a day ago. (Now Lightfoot, THAT'S a magic bag. Meh, it's Sunday and I got time.)
A question for HockeyMonkey (apologies if I've asked it before): You say you know that MisterVisceral, specifically, is a Christian. Are you certain that's still the case? He couldn't have been recruited today or last night by the devils or another faction, for example?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 8:46:34 GMT -5
And on that topic.... Bill, Lightfoot, and Holy Is there a reason that you still have your votes on me? Right now we have a 3 vote each 3 way tie between: Me, Texcat and Wombat I "unvoted all"? Lightfoot, a magic bag implies that I'm promising to make information public later on. I'm not promising anything of the kind here. I cannot offer any reasoning as to what I'm doing except that if Chucara was able to answer my question, it would absolutely and unquestionably clear him of being a devil. He has, so... Chucara is absolutely not a devil. No chance in hell, to use a pun. Crys, my quote tags seem to be seriously messed up when I try to quote more than one post at a time, so regarding this: "If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right?" Do you have any evidence at all that the devils are able to kill? Paranoia was a marty, which strongly implies to me that the whole point of her role is to die for the Christians; Laurie was apparently killed by her own power. Where are the scum kills here? That is what is maddening about this game. I feel like I am in a bad "Whose on first " skit... Without scum kills, really we don't have a lot to go on. We have a few people confirming others, which you can not 100% believe with lynching them. You can not go off vote counts, because one they are typically a null tell in my book, but with the ability to vote multiple people in a game, a scum can hide their scummy vote fairly well and can just really vote without valid reasoning. I thought it was just the cold meds I was taking that was making me fuzzy, nope it's just the game. Everyone is saying we need to scum hunt, but how do you scum hunt when it is like you are a blind person picking someone out in a lineup... Of course we need to scum hunt, but the mechanics and the semantics of this game are just as important to someone who is blind going into a battle...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 17, 2013 8:47:45 GMT -5
I "unvoted all"? Lightfoot, a magic bag implies that I'm promising to make information public later on. I'm not promising anything of the kind here. I cannot offer any reasoning as to what I'm doing except that if Chucara was able to answer my question, it would absolutely and unquestionably clear him of being a devil. He has, so... Chucara is absolutely not a devil. No chance in hell, to use a pun. Crys, my quote tags seem to be seriously messed up when I try to quote more than one post at a time, so regarding this: "If you keep clearing all the people that many of us think may be scummy eventually one of you will have to die. You do realize this right?" Do you have any evidence at all that the devils are able to kill? Paranoia was a marty, which strongly implies to me that the whole point of her role is to die for the Christians; Laurie was apparently killed by her own power. Where are the scum kills here? That is what is maddening about this game. I feel like I am in a bad "Whose on first " skit... Without scum kills, really we don't have a lot to go on. We have a few people confirming others, which you can not 100% believe with lynching them. You can not go off vote counts, because one they are typically a null tell in my book, but with the ability to vote multiple people in a game, a scum can hide their scummy vote fairly well and can just really vote without valid reasoning. I thought it was just the cold meds I was taking that was making me fuzzy, nope it's just the game. Everyone is saying we need to scum hunt, but how do you scum hunt when it is like you are a blind person picking someone out in a lineup... Of course we need to scum hunt, but the mechanics and the semantics of this game are just as important to someone who is blind going into a battle... That was mean't to say "who you can not 100% believe without lynching them"
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 8:49:03 GMT -5
Just chiming in briefly, as it's a busy weekend, but I like the argument for a SisC lynch. vote Sister Coyote I am just a wee bit concerned that catching 2 Scum in 2 Days because both made mistakes concerning Cardinal Sins falls into the "too easy" category...but I'm willing to go with it for now. This post pings me, you agree with the votes on SisC and do go along with them but you gave yourself a nice out by saying that you are worried that it's too easy to catch scum this way. Aaaaaand magic bag opened! That pinged me as well at the time - it did look like Plankton might be "giving himself an out", as you put it, in case SisC was lynched and flipped Christian (or, I guess non-devil, given what we know now) - but I completely forgot about it with the whole Sis C / Laurie contradictions later on. Vote: Suburban Plankton.I'm sure I can come up with more, but that's a start.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 8:56:27 GMT -5
And totally agree with the people calling Storyteller and Scathach out. Where the heck are these guys? Story would've made mincemeat of that whole Laurie / SisC role clash yesterday. I don't think he even posted about it. As for Scathach, I have basically played one day with him this entire time (he got killed off on night one in that game) but I know him by reputations.
In short, two of the best players on this board by reputation are in this game but don't even seem to be playing it. What's going on?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 17, 2013 9:05:56 GMT -5
Actually, you know what, Unvote: Suburban Plankton.
Vote: No Lynch as a placeholder.
Not saying that the post doesn't still ping me, but it's occurred to me that I'm now playing a Day One game on Day Three. With all this information about voting, roles, etc, I'm still blundering about looking for "scumtells".
This is what happens when you base pretty much all of your analysis on the idea that one player will be lynched and flip devil... and then she isn't, and apparently won't.
Going to re-read. Like I said, I got time.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 17, 2013 9:22:11 GMT -5
And totally agree with the people calling Storyteller and Scathach out. Where the heck are these guys? Story would've made mincemeat of that whole Laurie / SisC role clash yesterday. I don't think he even posted about it. As for Scathach, I have basically played one day with him this entire time (he got killed off on night one in that game) but I know him by reputations. In short, two of the best players on this board by reputation are in this game but don't even seem to be playing it. What's going on? Pst....This is what I was also saying about Bill. Heck someone has as their signature something like "If Bill is alive on Day 3 kill him" Because he's that good.....
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 17, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -5
Hate Misquoting...so Yeah here you go:
"Kill BillMc on Day 3. If he's Town, lynch everyone he thinks is Scum. If he's scum, well, at least you got Bill. - Special Ed"
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 17, 2013 9:39:11 GMT -5
Just in case Pleonast missed my former unvote: Unvote: All.That should do it. Going to go through whoever's left and try and work out the more likely devils among them. If Dizzy's not a devil, a whole lot of assumptions I've made go right out the window, so I'm starting from scratch here, albeit with a lot more information than we had just a day ago. (Now Lightfoot, THAT'S a magic bag. Meh, it's Sunday and I got time.) A question for HockeyMonkey (apologies if I've asked it before): You say you know that MisterVisceral, specifically, is a Christian. Are you certain that's still the case? He couldn't have been recruited today or last night by the devils or another faction, for example? I am certain. I cannot be any clearer.
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