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Post by wombat99 on Feb 20, 2013 11:31:35 GMT -5
Can I just say this about the Hockey Monkey/Dizzy/MrV masonry - it just feels off. The timing of the claim and reveal is off. MrV and Dizzy were under a lot of suspicion.
Do we have any independent verification that these 3 are indeed Christians, and aren't the 3 remaining Devils (assuming there are 3 left to go along with the horseman of Death) with a really good cover role provided by the Mod?
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 11:40:53 GMT -5
I haven't got my results yet but I should have some, I have PM'd Pleo. BTW Guiri visited Solaris on N1. In essence, he visited me In other news, I got an offer to cleanse my sins (from ryjae I believe)
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 11:43:37 GMT -5
Another tidbit- I did not get any info regarding anything Guiri did to me
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Post by texcat on Feb 20, 2013 11:56:40 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. Yeah, this is confusing. If crys got an offer to slake his lust on Day 3, and dizzymrslizzy got an offer to slake her lust on Day 3, then either one of them is lying or we have two Lusty people running around the town. But I can't see why crys would have lied about receiving that PM. I suppose he could have done so in order that people would think he was going to be protected overNight and not attack him...but that seems a bit far-fetched... I think slaking lust is part of the recruiting mechanism. I think SilverJan was recruited N1 and is now also trying to slake lust with someone every Night. I suspect the original slaker is Guiri based on Jan's attempts to clear him on D2. Dizzy was, of course, immune to recruitment. I think it's fishy that crys claims toDay that she turned down the offer. Why didn't she tell us that yesterDay? If there are 3 offers of lust toDay, I will think that crys was recruited. In any case, she's on my watch list. SilverJan has been extremely reluctant to come clean on her investigations and her night of lust. N2 she claimed she did not have an investigation due to something stupid she did. N3 she's claiming the mod lost her homework. I suspect she's busy trying to decide whether to fake an investigation or to say that she was blocked, leaving her options open until the last minute. Vote: SilverJan And a further plea for no one to accept any lustful nights.
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Post by guiri on Feb 20, 2013 12:09:24 GMT -5
Farewell Lightfoot. Crys, who did you try to open a channel to? I can vouch for Texcat. As I do not see a mechanic to be messed with on the cleanse part I offered Texcat accepted and I got a PM Saying It was successful. Did your PM specify that TexCat was now cleansed or that an unnamed target had confessed? Claims from the unclaimed would be good as well. If there's support for a mass claim, the masons can set a claim order and I'll comply, otherwise I'll keep it to myself until I think it's beneficial. I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. Lust is a cardinal sin, there are just 7 sins but many more players. I haven't got my results yet but I should have some, I have PM'd Pleo. BTW Guiri visited Solaris on N1. Yes, I did, lucky I visited Solaris before she became Colby! Solaris is a she, right? I'm a little confused on the difference between ryjae's claimed role and JustBeingGinger's claimed role. Confused or suspicious? Ginger's role also offers protection against recruitment for the living and soul stealing for the dead. To me, that suggests that Texcat is the vote charger - or had a scum buddy who was the vote charger. It sure sounds like that but then the question is why Pollux over Suburban? I suspect the original slaker is Guiri based on Jan's attempts to clear him on D2. I realize it's a theory, the fact is that I visited Solaris and Jan tracked me visiting her but also watched Ginger visiting me, but why aren't you voting me if you think I started this?
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Post by texcat on Feb 20, 2013 12:19:30 GMT -5
I realize it's a theory, the fact is that I visited Solaris and Jan tracked me visiting her but also watched Ginger visiting me, but why aren't you voting me if you think I started this? Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 12:39:49 GMT -5
I realize it's a theory, the fact is that I visited Solaris and Jan tracked me visiting her but also watched Ginger visiting me, but why aren't you voting me if you think I started this? Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her. So you're saying that guiri converted silverjan on Night 1, and then silverjan gave a false report that guiri visited Solaris (now Colby11) instead? That is plausible. However, we have the information that lauriern died after challenging silverjan to a duel on Night 2. To me, that suggests that silverjan was a Christian at the time; it makes sense that laurie could have been a sort of Remorseful Vigilante that could kill Devils but would die if she targeted a Christian. Of course, silverjan could be lying about the encounter, but given that she offered the information unprompted I have my doubts that she would have made it up. It's also possible that lauriern's power was to eliminate Heretics, and that Devils would defeat her...or one of a number of other combinations...but the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that silverjan was a Christian when lauriern dueled her, resulting in laurie's death.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 12:41:01 GMT -5
Guiri hasn't claimed anything, but I think a claim is in order
Until then, Vote: Guiri
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 12:42:28 GMT -5
Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her. So you're saying that guiri converted silverjan on Night 1, and then silverjan gave a false report that guiri visited Solaris (now Colby11) instead? That is plausible. However, we have the information that lauriern died after challenging silverjan to a duel on Night 2. To me, that suggests that silverjan was a Christian at the time; it makes sense that laurie could have been a sort of Remorseful Vigilante that could kill Devils but would die if she targeted a Christian. Of course, silverjan could be lying about the encounter, but given that she offered the information unprompted I have my doubts that she would have made it up. It's also possible that lauriern's power was to eliminate Heretics, and that Devils would defeat her...or one of a number of other combinations...but the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that silverjan was a Christian when lauriern dueled her, resulting in laurie's death. To prove the point, I will accept ryjae's cleansing offer. Even though I have no sin, I will prove that I am not a Devil
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 12:43:31 GMT -5
There seem to be a number of 'unanswered questions' about the actions of claimed players. I don't necessarily expect all of these questions to be answered right away (or indeed at all), and it's possible that some of these have already been answered, but here's my list:
Chucara - You missed your Night action on Night 3. Did you take youe Night action on Nights 1 and 2? crys - Who did you attempt to communicate with last Night? guiri - Did you visit anyone on Nights 2 and 3? JustBeingGinger - Did you clear anyone's sins last Night? ryjae - Did you receive a message Today (or last Night) saying that texcat's sins had been cleansed? Did you offer to cleanse Colby's sins today? silverjan - What did you do on or about Day 2 that caused you to be protected and to have no action on Night 2? Did you investigate anyone last Night?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 12:44:53 GMT -5
So you're saying that guiri converted silverjan on Night 1, and then silverjan gave a false report that guiri visited Solaris (now Colby11) instead? That is plausible. However, we have the information that lauriern died after challenging silverjan to a duel on Night 2. To me, that suggests that silverjan was a Christian at the time; it makes sense that laurie could have been a sort of Remorseful Vigilante that could kill Devils but would die if she targeted a Christian. Of course, silverjan could be lying about the encounter, but given that she offered the information unprompted I have my doubts that she would have made it up. It's also possible that lauriern's power was to eliminate Heretics, and that Devils would defeat her...or one of a number of other combinations...but the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that silverjan was a Christian when lauriern dueled her, resulting in laurie's death. To prove the point, I will accept ryjae's cleansing offer. Even though I have no sin, I will prove that I am not a Devil What point would that prove, exactly? I'm not saying that you shouldn't accept the offer, but I'm not sure how it relates to my post that you've quoted...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 12:46:59 GMT -5
NETA: Colby, you voted for Sister Coyote on Day 2, when she was lynched. If Idle is to be believed, that action counts as a sin. Did you forget about that, or has your sin been removed some other way?
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Post by Chucara on Feb 20, 2013 12:47:41 GMT -5
Suburban: Night action, sin action, call it what you will. It's not a question of nomenclature. It was the fact that I didn't ever see a claim from you stating that you had a Night Action, so I was wondering if I had missed it. Have you claimed something? No, I have yet to claim.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 20, 2013 12:57:27 GMT -5
Can I just say this about the Hockey Monkey/Dizzy/MrV masonry - it just feels off. The timing of the claim and reveal is off. MrV and Dizzy were under a lot of suspicion. Do we have any independent verification that these 3 are indeed Christians, and aren't the 3 remaining Devils (assuming there are 3 left to go along with the horseman of Death) with a really good cover role provided by the Mod? I don't know if we have any independent confirmation, but my gut feeling is that I believe them. When else would they expose themselves except for when: a. they are under suspicion or b. it's late in the game and good to confirm known towns. Mind you, it's mainly a gut feeling and I can not confirm them. OK, moving on from that. I have yet to claim and I don't think anyone has confirmed me. I'm not sure if I should claim, though. Am I right in thinking a lot of folks have claimed in this game? I'm not totally set against me claiming, but might it be wise to not reveal everyone's role? I'm concerned about giving devils too much info. So for now, I will say that I am a Christian, not a pagan or heretic(and not a devil, duh).
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Post by BillMc on Feb 20, 2013 13:34:37 GMT -5
I see on preview that Bill has voted texcat because "suggests that Texcat is the vote charger - or had a scum buddy who was the vote charger". I'd like to know why he thinks that a Vote Charger is necessarily Scum? I think it's quite possible that the 'vote manipulator' is Christian, Heretic, or Pagan, and it's also possible that the person manipulating votes and the person whose votes were manipulated are not one and the same. If it was anyone other than texcat, then the charger/manipulator is scum, and so would texcat. She was doing a darn fine impression of the cat who got the cream - she never felt in any danger of the lynch even tho she was leader. If she knew she wasn't in any danger, then either she manipulated the vote, or knew that someone else had
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Post by Chucara on Feb 20, 2013 13:48:51 GMT -5
Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her. Is this a guess, or a soft claim? Pleonast: If a player is recruited to the scum team, will their death message still reveal town, or will it reveal scum/devil?
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Post by Chucara on Feb 20, 2013 14:03:36 GMT -5
Voting time:
Vote: guiri Can you please respond to the question from D2.30 regarding whether or not you had your sins removed? Also, what is your take on the whole Pagan thing?
The following players appears to me acting awfully inconspicuous. Nothing more specific than that as they don't appear to have given us much in regards to information. Vote: scathach Vote: storyteller0910
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Post by crys on Feb 20, 2013 14:06:58 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. Yeah, this is confusing. If crys got an offer to slake his lust on Day 3, and dizzymrslizzy got an offer to slake her lust on Day 3, then either one of them is lying or we have two Lusty people running around the town. But I can't see why crys would have lied about receiving that PM. I suppose he could have done so in order that people would think he was going to be protected overNight and not attack him...but that seems a bit far-fetched... I can show proof after i get to my pc Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 14:11:00 GMT -5
NETA: Colby, you voted for Sister Coyote on Day 2, when she was lynched. If Idle is to be believed, that action counts as a sin. Did you forget about that, or has your sin been removed some other way? Let me ask Pleonast about that and get back to you. I started out with no sins
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 14:13:31 GMT -5
NETA- in case Guiri did visit me, and someone suspects that I am indeed scum, i will be taking up the sin cleansing offer
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Post by ryjae on Feb 20, 2013 14:33:18 GMT -5
Apocalyptic Mafia result « Message sent Yesterday at 4:20pm »
Not a lot of workaround here.
I should have done someone under more suspicion but I went this route (Colby) since it is getting narrower and narrower in my picks.
Idle and Tex are not Devils, I can see nothing that allows them to be in my PM.
My vote is going on one of the unclaimed, not because I fully believe every claim but because once we get claims we can start tearing them apart based on previous Days actions.
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Post by texcat on Feb 20, 2013 14:40:10 GMT -5
Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her. Is this a guess, or a soft claim? NOT a claim. But I think it's the only thing that makes sense given the multiplying lusters. Because we can only lynch one person toDay. I am reasonably certain that SilverJan has been converted. I am only guessing that you converted her. So you're saying that guiri converted silverjan on Night 1, and then silverjan gave a false report that guiri visited Solaris (now Colby11) instead? That is plausible. However, we have the information that lauriern died after challenging silverjan to a duel on Night 2. To me, that suggests that silverjan was a Christian at the time; it makes sense that laurie could have been a sort of Remorseful Vigilante that could kill Devils but would die if she targeted a Christian. Of course, silverjan could be lying about the encounter, but given that she offered the information unprompted I have my doubts that she would have made it up. It's also possible that lauriern's power was to eliminate Heretics, and that Devils would defeat her...or one of a number of other combinations...but the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that silverjan was a Christian when lauriern dueled her, resulting in laurie's death. I had forgotten about this. When I went back to look, the reveal only shows "lauriern, The Duelist, a Christian Killer/Investigator is dead." SilverJan could have made it all up, but it seems like a very unlikely thing to invent. Could it be that it takes some time for a recruit to become a Devil? That would also explain why there was only 1 known offer of lusting on D2, but 2 offers on D3. Dizzy, did you receive any PM about your lustful night this morning?
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 20, 2013 14:43:18 GMT -5
Oh damn
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 20, 2013 14:46:05 GMT -5
Well it looks like I have to do votes and unvotes to get a result
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 20, 2013 14:52:57 GMT -5
NETA: Colby, you voted for Sister Coyote on Day 2, when she was lynched. If Idle is to be believed, that action counts as a sin. Did you forget about that, or has your sin been removed some other way? Let me ask Pleonast about that and get back to you. I started out with no sins Apparently I did have a sin... So thanks Ryjae for the offer, I'm taking it
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Post by scáthach on Feb 20, 2013 14:55:15 GMT -5
The following players appears to me acting awfully inconspicuous. Nothing more specific than that as they don't appear to have given us much in regards to information. Vote: scathach [/color] [/quote] Sorry, can you qualify this a little? Because to me it just looks like you're regurgitating stuff you vaguely remember from yesterDay. I was away for the start of yesterday, and didn't get back til late in the Day, but apart from that I've been around an participating. For comparison, what information have you given us? I'd vote for this except that Holey Moley claims to have information that you are definitely not a devil
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Post by scáthach on Feb 20, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -5
Confused or suspicious? Ginger's role also offers protection against recruitment for the living and soul stealing for the dead. A little of both, but I wouldn't really call it a full out suspicion. A lot of people have claimed, it seems unlikely that they can ALL be telling the truth.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 15:02:10 GMT -5
So you didn't get a result on me because you don't have more total votes on me than any other living player? It seems from this snippet that you don't get to actively name the target of your Investigation; your target is chosen for you based on your voting history. So how was it that you thought you were investigating me last Night? It would seem that your PM either says something like "Each Night, you designate a target...", or it doesn't. FYI, I did nothing last Night, mainly because I was busy IRL and away from the game almost all Night long. I don't know if anyone visited me or not.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 20, 2013 15:04:57 GMT -5
Vote suburban Plankton
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Post by scáthach on Feb 20, 2013 15:06:56 GMT -5
Also, here is a list of the people who did NOT vote for patricia.
Wombat99 JustBeingGinger Gnarlycharlie/mahaloth Storyteller0910 Texcat Lightfoot Lauriern BillMc Dizzymrslizzy Sister Coyote
So, of the unclaimed/un(semi)confirmed and undead.
vote mahaloth vote storyteller0910 vote billmc
Not, I admit, great reasons to vote someone. But last time I was scum we got nailed specifically because we were too reluctant to bus each other.
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