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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:13:48 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:13:48 GMT -5
Had an unexpected houseguest the last couple of days, so I'm just catching up... So, why did you counterclaim now? Subtlety was not getting anywhere. I swear, I have to hit people over the head before you'll read my posts. Pizzaguy, your result on gnarlycharlie is scum? Your hem-hawing and insinuations have left a rather muddled picture. Snip But despite the mistakes, I do not think you're lying. I'll vote for gnarly once you confirm they investigated as scum. I stated it quite clearly that I have a guilty result. I hope this is just another example of skimming past Pizza's posts because we don't want to read them. I admit I was leaving room for ambiguity beforehand, mostly because I wanted to see how people would react to gnarly's claim, and how they would vote when it wasn't absolutely clear that he was probably lying. Then, I wanted to see how they would react when someone was strongly questioning his truthfulness. Either this game is moving at a slower pace than even the Giraffeboards games, which is a strong departure from my previous experiences here on this forum where I could barely keep up, or people were blatantly ignoring my hints. I have not gotten the reactions I've been looking for, so it's time to stop beating around the bush. I disagree that I have not given enough time to react, and I still think I was being clear enough, but if all else fails; I scanned gnarly last night, as I've already stated implicitly, and explicitly, and I found him to be guilty, which I've already stated implicitly, and explicitly. I cannot be more clear than this.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:25:37 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:25:37 GMT -5
Her comments look like a slip to me. I don't think Cookies' comments are an indication of PIS. I do think they're an example of Monday morning quarterbacking. She had a 'feeling' that guiri was Town. It turns out she was right, therefore her other suspicions must all be correct as well. The same attitude is on display here It was pretty damned obvious he was townie to anyone who was paying attention. I have absolutely no special knowledge or perfect information either. He was simply acting like how townies should be acting D1, and how scumbags almost never behave. It's called reading people. Of course, it's SOP for Pizzaguy to have nothing less than supreme confidence in his views. Need I remind you, I was supremely confident that brownie was townie, and he was, in spite of half the players in the game finding it scummy that he was stirring the pot. Like I dunno Guiri in this game. Some things are actually obvious, if people bother to pay attention. You don't run around town day one poking people in the eye to get reactions when the most common reaction is "kill it" unless you're town or stupid or both. I think it's telling that when you press on some of the people who claimed such behavior was something mafia would do, and asked them to explain how that freaking works, they couldn't come up with a straight answer. And further, vote pressure on one of them caused them to claim detective, which I am, who scans as guilty. I am not sure, but I think that falls under the category of: 1) Reading people to determine their alignment 2) Pressure voting them to determine their alignment 3) Investigating their claims to determine their alignment 4) Announcing their alignment scan results when subtle hinting fails And I did this all by my lonesome. It's almost like I've played this game before. No wonder I feel confident. And you, Plankton mah boy, look precisely like the scumbags that Paranoia thought you were.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:30:02 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 10, 2013 11:30:02 GMT -5
I'm not really suspicious of Meeko. I'm frustrated with him. Show me where this attitude is shining through where my other suspicions must all be correct? I know my own alignment and Meeko is wrong about me. That is the only thing I've spoken about with much confidence.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:34:28 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 11:34:28 GMT -5
I saw you say they're "guilty", but that means nothing to me. Guilty of what? I don't care about your opinions, I want to know what alignment your investigation of gnarly determined. I'm not sure why you expected your hints to result in any actions. Until you claimed you were simply another player in the game, of unknown alignment and motivation. I'm certainly not going to do anything about your hints until I get a good read on you. And you, Plankton mah boy, look precisely like the scumbags that Paranoia thought you were. We are in agreement on this. In fact, I think the best course of action is for us to lynch a player who is not gnarlycharlie. Lynching a (presumably) known scum produces a useless voting record, because every reasonable player will vote for them. It's better for the lynch to be contentious, so that scum have to make a meaningful stand with their vote. So what do we do with gnarly? Given that there's more than one kill per Night, let's give any pro-town killers out there a chance to use their power in a useful way. If gnarly is still alive on Day Three, then we lynch them.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:38:55 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 11:38:55 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot to complete that thought. I think Suburban Plankton is our best lynch ToDay.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:39:31 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:39:31 GMT -5
I think Guiri and Paranoia went down because of who they suspected. Paranoia suspected both gnarly and Plankton early, and he even got traction on both suspects. Guiri went down by nightkill after the lynch wagon on him reversed. He was voted by both gnarlycharlie and Suburban Plankton. Gnarly and Plankton both voted together to lynch townie Paranoia.
I also note that Plankton voted for Meeko, another loud and proud and strange player. Plankton, your entire vote record has been to vote for the loud and the strange. Guiri for voting several times right off the bat, Meeko for being Meeko. I get the sense that you're not scum hunting at all.
It doesn't even begin to surprise me that you'd side against me, and for gnarly, who you definitely didn't vote for yesterday either.
I don't need a scan result to know where I stand on you.
And Pleonast, for the record, the evil side alignment in this game is called "Knave of Hearts". At least, that is what I am presuming. That's either third party or scum, because it's not town.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:41:12 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:41:12 GMT -5
I saw you say they're "guilty", but that means nothing to me. Guilty of what? I don't care about your opinions, I want to know what alignment your investigation of gnarly determined. I'm not sure why you expected your hints to result in any actions. Until you claimed you were simply another player in the game, of unknown alignment and motivation. I'm certainly not going to do anything about your hints until I get a good read on you. Such cautious play. Take a leap of faith once in a while, my friend. You'd be surprised at what acting confidently based on very little can get you.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:48:08 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 11:48:08 GMT -5
And Pleonast, for the record, the evil side alignment in this game is called "Knave of Hearts". At least, that is what I am presuming. That's either third party or scum, because it's not town. And what alignment result to you receive for gnarlycharlie? You keep dancing around the issue, but haven't actually said what your result was. Is there a reason you can't say "my scan of gnarly was scum" or "not town" or "Knave of Hearts"? Is there any reason you can't quote the results PM from the moderator? The longer you're evasive without explanation, the less I'm believing your claim. Such cautious play. Take a leap of faith once in a while, my friend. You'd be surprised at what acting confidently based on very little can get you. I'm not known for my cautious play and I'm not playing cautiously this game either.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:50:39 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:50:39 GMT -5
We are in agreement on this. In fact, I think the best course of action is for us to lynch a player who is not gnarlycharlie. Lynching a (presumably) known scum produces a useless voting record, because every reasonable player will vote for them. It's better for the lynch to be contentious, so that scum have to make a meaningful stand with their vote. So what do we do with gnarly? Given that there's more than one kill per Night, let's give any pro-town killers out there a chance to use their power in a useful way. If gnarly is still alive on Day Three, then we lynch them. I can go for this plan. It's bold. The downside is that it makes the town vigilante's actions predictable, which can either lead to the action being prevented, or the identity of the assailant being exposed to the scums, depending on which powers they have. I would recommend avoiding making the vig actions predictable, whenever possible. That being said, the vig can decide where they want to go, and just listen to our suggestions and take them under advisement.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 11:58:22 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 11:58:22 GMT -5
And Pleonast, for the record, the evil side alignment in this game is called "Knave of Hearts". At least, that is what I am presuming. That's either third party or scum, because it's not town. And what alignment result to you receive for gnarlycharlie? I am continually surprised by the inability to parse my posts. I thought my post left absolutely no doubt that my result on gnarlycharlie was Knave of Hearts. I'd appreciate any attempt to understand me. It's exhausting having to repeat things I've already revealed, quite adequately in my opinion. The full text of my result was: gnarlycharlie is loyal to the Knave of Hearts. I could wrap quote tags around that if that would be in any way impressive. I don't feel the need to dress it up.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:09:28 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 12:09:28 GMT -5
And what alignment result to you receive for gnarlycharlie? I am continually surprised by the inability to parse my posts. I thought my post left absolutely no doubt that my result on gnarlycharlie was Knave of Hearts. I'd appreciate any attempt to understand me. It's exhausting having to repeat things I've already revealed, quite adequately in my opinion. The full text of my result was: gnarlycharlie is loyal to the Knave of Hearts. I could wrap quote tags around that if that would be in any way impressive. I don't feel the need to dress it up. Thank you. The problem is that I was parsing your posts and I saw that you were avoiding explicitly stating what your result was. Evasiveness when discussing specifics is an indication of a lying, in my opinion. Let's put this behind us and get back to the business at hand: who do we lynch? My vote is on my preference.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 10, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
I don't know if Suburban is still the best lynch in light of Pizza's claim. I think I'd rather get resolution on the counter-claim in hand with a gnarly lynch now.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:18:24 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 12:18:24 GMT -5
I am continually surprised by the inability to parse my posts. I thought my post left absolutely no doubt that my result on gnarlycharlie was Knave of Hearts. I'd appreciate any attempt to understand me. It's exhausting having to repeat things I've already revealed, quite adequately in my opinion. The full text of my result was: gnarlycharlie is loyal to the Knave of Hearts. I could wrap quote tags around that if that would be in any way impressive. I don't feel the need to dress it up. Thank you. The problem is that I was parsing your posts and I saw that you were avoiding explicitly stating what your result was. Evasiveness when discussing specifics is an indication of a lying, in my opinion. Let's put this behind us and get back to the business at hand: who do we lynch? My vote is on my preference. I can go with either one. Suburban seems to be specifically defending gnarlycharlie, not just with his votes, but with his rhetoric, and just like gnarlycharlie, his votes seem to lack any actual effort to find scum based on classic scum behavior, but rather voting the strange, voting the loud. I find him unreasonable and unconvincing. And regardless of where we end up voting, I don't mind discussing other individuals and suspects as well. We are of one mind when it comes to avoiding failwagons which destroy discussion. There hasn't been enough discussion this round as it stands.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:21:34 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 12:21:34 GMT -5
I don't know if Suburban is still the best lynch in light of Pizza's claim. I think I'd rather get resolution on the counter-claim in hand with a gnarly lynch now. We'll get resolution Tonight, as I expect one or both of them will be killed. I'd rather we used ToDay's lynch on someone else, so that our voting record will be more useful.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:32:52 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 10, 2013 12:32:52 GMT -5
Ok I'll bite.
Vote Suburban
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 12:58:57 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 10, 2013 12:58:57 GMT -5
*mouth open*
Really?
Well, there goes Gnarly... And a mason Bill... So much for Gnarly's advice about kynching Bill on Day 3
I still don't believe Dizzy right now, personally
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 13:20:21 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 10, 2013 13:20:21 GMT -5
In fact, I think the best course of action is for us to lynch a player who is not gnarlycharlie. Lynching a (presumably) known scum produces a useless voting record, because every reasonable player will vote for them. It's better for the lynch to be contentious, so that scum have to make a meaningful stand with their vote. So what do we do with gnarly? Given that there's more than one kill per Night, let's give any pro-town killers out there a chance to use their power in a useful way. If gnarly is still alive on Day Three, then we lynch them. Why are you assuming that we have pro-town killers out there? I think that is a very bad assumption indeed. Look who was killed last night. This plan does not pass my sniff test. It sounds like a plan to let a scummy Charlie use his power one more time. And end up right back where we are now, only with two more dead townies. Vote: Gnarlycharlie
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 13:29:22 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 10, 2013 13:29:22 GMT -5
I don't think Pleo's proposal relies on pro-town killers. The scum are going to be quite interested in killing whichever one is the actual town cop. If they do, then the liar of the two gets lynched tomorrow. It is a gamble in that it may not work out if neither of them dies, but flipping a coin between Pizza and Gnarly for today's lynch is a gamble too.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 14:47:50 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 10, 2013 14:47:50 GMT -5
In fact, I think the best course of action is for us to lynch a player who is not gnarlycharlie. Lynching a (presumably) known scum produces a useless voting record, because every reasonable player will vote for them. It's better for the lynch to be contentious, so that scum have to make a meaningful stand with their vote. So what do we do with gnarly? Given that there's more than one kill per Night, let's give any pro-town killers out there a chance to use their power in a useful way. If gnarly is still alive on Day Three, then we lynch them. Why are you assuming that we have pro-town killers out there? I think that is a very bad assumption indeed. Look who was killed last night. This plan does not pass my sniff test. It sounds like a plan to let a scummy Charlie use his power one more time. And end up right back where we are now, only with two more dead townies. Why are you assuming we do not have pro-town killers out there? If neither killer is pro-town, then we're going to end up with two more dead townies anyway. (Unless you think scum get more than one kill per Night and killing gnarly will stop one. That seems implausible to me.) And you've done a poor job of understanding what I wrote. Read what I said again: So what do we do with gnarly? Given that there's more than one kill per Night, let's give any pro-town killers out there a chance to use their power in a useful way. If gnarly is still alive on Day Three, then we lynch them. Notice how I say "any" (not "the") and "a chance" (not "certainty"). And then give a contingency plan if gnarly survives the Night? I'm not assuming anything, I'm looking to use what we might have. And then doing it the old-fashioned way if we don't.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 18:42:15 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 10, 2013 18:42:15 GMT -5
As I think I said early Today, I don't think that a pro-town killer could possibly have killed SilverJan. No one voted for her. I don't recall anyone even mentioning a suspicion of her. I think it's unlikely, although possibly, that a pro-town killer killed Guiri.
So I don't think it's likely that a pro-town killer exists to take on Gnarly tonight. I don't imagine that scum will take out the townie cop tonight as that will confirm the scum imposter. I suspect that we have a third party SK. And I doubt if they want to take out Gnarly or Pizza tonight. I'm sure they are happy to keep the focus on the pair of them. I imagine that scum are thrilled with this plan that lets them continue alive for another Day. I approve of the backup plan that we lynch one of them, but think that we need to implement it Today.
I am fairly certain that one of them is scum. I think we need to find out which one. I am much less certain about other suspects, but hope that events over the next day or two will improve that.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 18:57:18 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 10, 2013 18:57:18 GMT -5
So you don't see anything favorable about having the cop able to share investigation results, and continue surviving? It is all just doom and gloom?
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 19:09:21 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jul 10, 2013 19:09:21 GMT -5
As I think I said early Today, I don't think that a pro-town killer could possibly have killed SilverJan. No one voted for her. I don't recall anyone even mentioning a suspicion of her. I think it's unlikely, although possibly, that a pro-town killer killed Guiri. Why? I thought general strategy, or at least a common one, is for pro-town vigilante to ignore all advice and decide on their own. They don't know who to trust, so they trust themselves. That's what I do(I think I have been one at some point in the past).
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 19:16:22 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 19:16:22 GMT -5
So you don't see anything favorable about having the cop able to share investigation results, and continue surviving? It is all just doom and gloom? At the very least, we could catch my killer in the act, provided our Watcher does her job. I don't see the three of us surviving for that long, but valuable information can still be gained from this. Lynching the scum is optimal, but forcing them to kill me is nearly as optimal.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 19:48:11 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 10, 2013 19:48:11 GMT -5
So you don't see anything favorable about having the cop able to share investigation results, and continue surviving? It is all just doom and gloom? And just how long to you propose to let them live? Pleo suggests that we lynch someone tomorrow, but your argument seems to be that we let them both live and giving us results. What do you propose that we do with the results? We have results from Pizza, but you don't seem to want to act on them.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 20:48:29 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jul 10, 2013 20:48:29 GMT -5
Man, miss a day miss a lot. Pizza I did follow your hints and I'm sorry you needed to claim so early. As for Charlie I think we could have gotten him lynched without the need for a full claim but as my grandmother would say no need to close the barn door after the horse are out. Anyway, I did want to throw another name into the hat for today "Bill" I see his posts of yesterday as trying to save a scum buddy. I'm good for a vote for any of the three and will be back to vote closer to day end.
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 20:51:30 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 10, 2013 20:51:30 GMT -5
Man, miss a day miss a lot. Pizza I did follow your hints and I'm sorry you needed to claim so early. As for Charlie I think we could have gotten him lynched without the need for a full claim but as my grandmother would say no need to close the barn door after the horse are out. Anyway, I did want to throw another name into the hat for today "Bill" I see his posts of yesterday as trying to save a scum buddy. I'm good for a vote for any of the three and will be back to vote closer to day end. I appreciate your reading between the lines. I'm glad that's a skill not completely forgotten. I'm wary of Bill but there's just no way I'd be voting for a claimed mason this early. That would be silly... downright preposterous even. (No guys, I'm never going to let you live it down. I earned the right to rub some noses in it.)
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Day Two
Jul 10, 2013 22:24:24 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 10, 2013 22:24:24 GMT -5
So you don't see anything favorable about having the cop able to share investigation results, and continue surviving? It is all just doom and gloom? We HAVE a scumbag right here in our hands. Gnarly or Pizza IS 100% scum. Yes I see the value in having the cops live another day and share information with us, but at the same time, how do you know if the real scum of the group is vanilla or has a power that can hurt us? It's a tough decision for sure, because I really don't think a trade of Cop for 1 scum is a good enough trade on Day 2. Let me ask you a question Cookies....Since you want them both to live for a few days. -1- Do you believe Pizza'a Guilty claim on Gnarly? -2- Are you comfortable with Gnarly not producing any results toDay?
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Day Two
Jul 11, 2013 0:09:34 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 11, 2013 0:09:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I love this scenario, IF dizzy is a town watcher.
If she is, she better watch ATPG tomorrow. Pizza- I would suggest targeting someone else that you visited.
Oh, and if more than one person visit Pizza and he lives, don't say anything to protect the doctor.
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Day Two
Jul 11, 2013 1:36:31 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 11, 2013 1:36:31 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not recommending anything aside from just lynching someone other than the counter-claiming cops Today. A lot can change in a cycle, including a chance to get results (and fabricated results) from the pair of them come Dawn, and who knows what the best course of action will be Tomorrow.
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Day Two
Jul 11, 2013 1:40:43 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 11, 2013 1:40:43 GMT -5
Whoops posted too soon. It doesn't bode well that Gnarly got no results, but that can happen to legit cops for a multitude of reasons. I do lean a bit toward Pizza at this point, but would really like to see how the Night goes in order to make a more informed decision.
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