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Post by autolycus on Jun 9, 2007 0:44:54 GMT -5
I cast me lot for Zuma b/c I want to put pressure on 'im. So far Idle Thoughts is getting all the heat and that doesnt sit well wit' me. Whatever 'appens, they are tied together now in 'tis dance of fates.
Oh, and I think Zuma's lying b/c he's too smart to role-claim so suddenly. I want 'im to post more so we can sniff out the plot between these two scalliwags.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 0:45:51 GMT -5
Made my decision. If nobody counters zuma's Steele claim by tomorrow, I'm voting for Idle, unless other information comes to light.
I would encourage people not to vote for zuma at this point, because it is more likely, for the following reasons:
1) a giant pirate pile-on COULD force a zuma lynch before the town can react. 2) the pirates would rather get rid of Steele fast, and at this point we have to assume that's zuma 3) as pointed out before, if Idle is crew we lose crew; if zuma is crew, we lose Steele. That's reason enough to avoid voting for zuma now. 4) auto's vote. He's being as unhelpful as ever. No reasons or specifics, just color. 5) it is entirely reasonable for the Doctor to have protected Steele, which fits zuma's story. 6) Idle seems to have gotten to the acceptance stage of grief here. Is he only doing that because he was called on it?
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 0:47:02 GMT -5
Auto, zuma was going to be lynched. The votes were in his favor, and I hadn't even voted yet. When the hell else was he supposed to role claim?
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Post by Parzival on Jun 9, 2007 1:08:34 GMT -5
The thing is, Idle, even if you're crew, it sucks to be you. Because it's actually better for us for zuma to be scum.
It means that Steele still remains hidden. The 'worst case' I can see of this -
We lose a crewman (you).
Then we kill zuma, and he turns out not to be a Pirate*, but other scum keeping Pirates alive longer. Might be he's Sneaky Sam trying to do some snooping before we lynch him tomorrow. If he got some hits, that's bad (but it'd happen if we lynch him today as well).
In a convoluted way he might be Ben Gunn (he couldn't claim his true role yesterday, so he tried to get himself night-killed; failing that, he'll help the Pirates as much as he can before dying).
He could also be Dick Deadeye (but that's actually better than him being a Pirate).
Only if he's Sam and he gets some lucky role hits are we that bad off. If he's not, though, Steele stays hidden and we got one scum.
On the other hand, if you're a Pirate, we get a pirate toDay balanced with an almost certain confirmation on zuma.
Sadly, we almost hope you're crew, despite the fact that we have to kill you. As I said a few nights ago, I won't celebrate until we actually get our first pirate kill.
Since zuma is still somewhat suspicious, I'm wondering if we shouldn't come up with some ideas to stick to, just in case Idle Thoughts turns up crew. Is there any possible story zuma could come up with tomorrow that might convince us not to kill him IF Idle is honest crew?
* I don't know if anyone's noticed, but I try to use Pirate with a capital P to refer to the group of killers, and 'scum' or 'pirates' to refer to the side including the others. I don't think I've been consistent about it, though.
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Post by cowgirl on Jun 9, 2007 2:08:28 GMT -5
++Vote Idle Thoughts++ For being entirely unCrewlike by not being willing to trade himself for (what he himself claims is) a scum. I'm sold. Methinks the lad doth protest too much. Here's the thing, Idle Thoughts. Our options for today are: - Lynch a scum. We would all like to do this but we don't have sufficient information. - Lynch a townie. We want to avoid this but don't have sufficient information. - Lynch someone of unknown status whose death will give us sufficient information to get a scum tomorrow. We do have enough information for that. I'm trying to think of what might make zuma false role claim if he was a townie. I just can't do it. Either he is scum or he is telling the truth. No matter how I look at it, it is an exchange of you tonight for him tomorrow, and one of you must be scum. I really can't see how a townie wouldn't understand this. If you are so sure he's lying, then we will see it by your death and we will avenge you. What's the biggie? Also you seemed scummy to me on day 1 and I still haven't gotten over it. I'll withhold my vote for now so as not to speed-lynch, but it's pretty convincing.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 9, 2007 2:38:43 GMT -5
Son of a biscuit eater, ArizonaTeach, I gave you my reasons. Just b'cause ye dont agree with 'em is no reason to paint me as unhelpful. Ye be prejudiced against me from a previous life and I'm sick and tired o' it.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 9, 2007 2:41:12 GMT -5
I disagree that we are forced to believe Zuma's role-claim and I disagree that he was in true danger of being lynched. Five votes aint be a fart to the wind when there be two days left over. I think it was about two days anyway.
Get the cut of my jib eh, I'm not lookin' to lynch Zuma, but it be his silence that be botherin' me somethin' fierce.
Of course, only tha night owls be hootin' at this dread hour.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 9, 2007 2:45:45 GMT -5
Oh Auto, why don't ye be postin' more?! Keep yer sore eyes open past 3AM EST and then we can talk.
Hmmmph.
(In a bad mood from other matters)
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Post by tirial on Jun 9, 2007 3:12:13 GMT -5
I can't believe how fast this game moves! I've just got to the end of Page 3, so I'll add my thoughts up to there and post more later.
I was sceptical of zuma's roleclaim, but to claim that he was Steele and then claim Idle Thoughts tried to kill him if it he wasn't Steele seems unlikely. It is possible zuma made a false claim and fingered Idle to get him killed because Idle is a strong player, but it just seems so unlikely, and its pretty logical for zuma to watch himself as his claim would have made him a target.
Idle Thoughts D4 P34: "Well, my side in ONE of the games has been verified now..so that was half of the truth you know, for certain, so far." The other game has little to do with this one - About the only thing that might carry over is posting styles and even then CaerieD was town in both but changed her style deliberately between games, as she herself said, so that can't be relied on. To be honest, even though I think NAF looks scummy, I think Idle Thoughts P34 looks like a OMGUS vote.
D4 P41 "I'm CREW. Why not lynch zuma instead and find out he's really scum (which I know now he is without a DOUBT) instead of killing off YET another crew member?" Idle Thoughts as a ref of these games you know better - why risk potentially losing Steele when we can confirm his role by killing a different suspect in a potentially less valuable role? (And when the role in question is Steele, I'd say only the Doctor comes close to importance). I'd rather do one-for-one than risk outing the doctor as well as Steele.
The problem I have got is that P52 and so on - I can understand the frustration if you are crew, but you don't seem to be making much of a case for zuma lying, rather than just saying he's lying because you know he is.
D4 P57 "And not only do I know that, the real Captain Steele and the Doc (who knows who s/he protected) know this as well!" This is true if zuma lied about being Captain Steele, but if either of these players voted for him wouldn't they effectively be outing themselves to the scum. Whether you are crew or not, you've got to see risking power-roles isn't a good idea. In P70 you even agree that:"OH COME ON! WHY would the real Capt do that? That's just what zuma and the other pirates WANT. Have you been reading this thread?"
You say you can't attack anyone at night, but its not beyond belief that you may be a pirate, Dick Deadeye, or even that Ben Gunn was activated the first night when there wasn't a kill, and then the second night there were two kills because either Dick's kill failed or two killers targeted the same person (The third night to be honest, makes me doubt Ben Gun is active as the pirates and Ben would have to have hit the same target which would have killed that target unless zuma lied about what he was doing). Now if you come up crew however, that would prove that zuma lied.
Capybara, I don't know if you have played before, but the masons haven't been able to chat in any of the previous games. Please can you and Idle stop asking after the Doctor - I think the only thing that needed to be said on that topic was FCOD's "Idle Thoughts is not the Doctor".
Idle if you are crew, please post analysis of your main suspects going forward. I wouldn't worry about zuma - if you are vanilla crew he's likely to get lynched tomorrow. If you've got a night attack he won't. You seems to have gone after quite a few people in the game, so if you can narrow your suspicions down to a few players and make cases against them then if you turn out to be crew we may manage to get more than one pirate lynched once your status is confirmed.
** analysis up to end Page 3**
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 9, 2007 3:57:07 GMT -5
Morning, everyone! (or by my time it is.) Just a few points.
1) It's only a game. I say this as shouldn't, having got into a big row in M2 that NAF1138 had to step in and quieten down, but it's only a game. Please try not to get so het up.
2) Idle, there is no action I will take in this game to verify people's claims other than announcing people's roles when they die by the normal means. Should I be forced to modkill you, you will become unaligned as part of the action and your claim will still go unverified. Everyone must solve the game' problems via the game's mechanics.
3) It's only a game. Please, no more invoking of revered ancestors. That can only go badly for reasons which I assume are obvious.
4) Anyone is free to claim I said anything but you must surely appreciate that the mere taking of my name in vain does not guarantee truth. Even forwarded PMs could be altered (not that anyone should be PMing in this game).
5) I shall not be in a position to action any speed lynches today (real-time day) so I shan't even bother to stipulate a speed-lynch threshold. For now, assume all Days go the distance.
6) It's only a game. Play nice, everyone.
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Post by tirial on Jun 9, 2007 4:11:31 GMT -5
** analysis from Page 3 onwards** Idle Thoughts, please remember its just a game. If your claim of being crew is true, we are still down a crew member whether you go down by modkill or lynch. However if you are modkilled we don't get the benefits of any posts you may contribute up to the end of the day. I will be honest and say that requesting a modkill seems rather like cheating to me - I thought we could request subs as it didn't affect the game's path, but not a modkill. It is also possible if you are modkilled that your role would not be revealed - I have played in games (admittedly not mafia) where that is the situation. If so, by being modkilled, if you are crew and zuma lied you are risking not exposing zuma and not leaving the crew with any "confirmed" analysis to work on. D4 P94 "So that's why I'm asking instead of just requesting it straight away." Can you understand why asking about a possible way to cheat may also not look very good? I haven't voted for you yet for one simple reason, and its not your posts: Capybara D4 P97 "Then, hush, and be at peace, little one, and rest smugly and bask in your own good sweet potential martyrdom there on the stake, until things develop and become better understood." Its the martyrdom line: Frankly, at the moment, Idle Thoughts you are reminding me very strongly of dnooman in game 3, and he was town. Unfortunately I know he was an inexperienced player, and I know you aren't, so its possible this is deliberate. Mad the Swine D4 P98 "What do you expect him to do, throw himself overboard? " By requesting a modkill, isn't this pretty much what you're doing? Idle D4 P104 "I KNOW all of these things and do you have ANY idea how frustrating it is to know these things but not have anyone believe you? " Yes, actually. (fluiddruid: M3, Day3) I would suggest however that you make fact based arguments, and detail the consequences of the choice. e.g. If Ben Gunn was activated on Night One then Zuma must have been lying, and the Night Three result of no kills isn't possible unless Deadeye's kill failed and both kill attempts were blocked, so zuma can't have been watching. This would mean Ben Gunn would also know zuma was lying, and he's less important than the Doctor and Steele. - If Ben Gunn wasn't activated then there are two night kill attempts each night.
- If the Pirates tried to kill zuma, the Doctor blocked and zuma watched, and DeadEye failed that is the obvious answer.
- If Deadeye went for zuma and was blocked, the pirates voted no-kill (unlikely) that would give the same read.
However if DeadEye and the pirates went for zuma and both succeeded then zuma must have lied as a second block would be needed to save him. Alternatively zuma is lying about his roleclaim, and what he witnessed last night. Now until his roleclaim I strongly suspected zuma of being scum, but I can't make a strong case for it now. If you know he is lying please look out any tells. I'll be honest and say you are the stronger player so if it seemed to be crew(?) v. crew(?) I would go going after zuma. However its not, its crew(?) v. Steele(?), and we can't risk losing Steele. D4 P104 "So no. I won't go to the "gallows" with resignation. I'm crew and I want to help crew as much as I can." The most useful thing you can do right now is to post analysis of the other players. That way if you are crew and get lynched we have something to go on. If you are scum, it gives us a trail to follow along with your other posts, although obviously you wouldn't want to give us that. Zuma: The same goes for you - we've heard from you once today, admittedly with a critical piece of evidence. You survived last night, but as time goes on it becomes less likely as the scum or Deadeye may get a lucky shot and hit the doctor. We need as much information as you can give us before you go down. As well as anything you can confirm as Steele, your suspicions, thoughts and analysis would be useful as it lets us know where you were looking. If you aren't Steele and are scum its still useful.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 9, 2007 8:14:48 GMT -5
...Wow. I haven't seen this much action on a Friday night since the orgy of '86. (It was too good a line not to steal!)
Things I agree with: I agree that we've got plenty of time, I agree that it would be good to hear more from zuma, and I agree that the real Steele (if zuma is lying) should not do anything which could overtly be construed as a roleclaim.
Things I don't agree with: I've been inclined to think that Idle is crew, a sentiment that's been reinforced a bit by his, um, vociferous intensity this past evening. However, I also had no reason previously to doubt zuma's role claim...and if Idle is crew, that means that zuma's been running some kind of complicated plan, the purpose of which I can't for the life of me figure out. But consider this: if zuma is lying, his apparent plan---roleclaim Steele on Day A and, if he survives the Night, falsely finger a crewmember on Day B---seems almost guaranteed to get him killed extremely quickly (either on Day A, if the real Steele---with Bill McNeal!---were to foolishly counterclaim, or on Night A, if one of the scum factions to which zuma is not a member were to successfully target him, or on Day B, if we choose to believe the word of the crewmember over his, or on Night B, or at the very latest on Day C, if the crewmember is lynched and turns out to be crew). If zuma is a pirate, then they've almost certainly planned this out...he wouldn't both false-claim yesterDay and finger someone toDay without them discussing it in detail last Night and/or the Night before, and so I'd be very careful in assuming that this will be an equitable one-for-one trade. Maybe they've figured out that Idle is Steele or the Doctor (Idle, don't confirm either of those unless it's absolutely necessary) and are willing to make this trade to get him lynched, maybe this is part of a larger plan in some other ways...but I think it's safe to say that if this is a concerted lie on zuma's part, he's not going out there willy-nilly just to sacrifice himself for the sake of stirring up a ruckus for a day or two. At the very least, there's something else going on behind it, and it would behoove us to figure out what that might be. (Has zuma acted in such a way that his death would lead definitively towards, or away from, any other players? He might have been laying the groundwork for this self-immolation. I gotta say, though, such complicated schemes---not the groundwork, but the false roleclaim and the fingering in furtherance of the groundwork---seem contrary to scum behavior in the games I've witnessed. Too many moving parts.)
Of course, zuma might be a scum but not be a pirate, but his sacrificing himself in that regard makes little sense as well. It would be contrary to Dick's motivation (which is presumably to become a pirate himself) to sacrifice himself for the pirate's cause, as this jaunt of zuma's will almost certainly do (unless it turns out that zuma is Dick and that Idle is a pirate...but that still doesn't make much sense for them to do, and how would he know?). zuma could be Sneaky Sam, ready to sacrifice himself in order to out Idle as the Doctor for the benefit of the pirates (Sam can't identify Steele)---but the Officers have already said that Idle isn't the Doctor, and I feel like Sam wouldn't take himself out of the game like that so early on. Or zuma could be Ben Gunn, working for the pirates' aims---although the same flaws are extant here as with Dick, especially given that Ben's loyalty is likely to switch at some point during the game, so there's no need for him to be aggressively pro-pirate right now. Maybe the speculation (from ArizonaTeach?) that zuma is Ben and was trying to get himself activated last night is accurate...but that doesn't explain why, once activated, he would so obtrusively finger someone else (since it would be so much easier for him just to say that he witnessed X person and nothing happened to them, or that he protected himself).
All in all, and discounting the fairly ridiculous possibility that zuma and Idle are somehow working together, it seems in the end that the two most likely scenarios are (1) zuma is Steele, and he's telling the truth; and (2) zuma is a pirate (not just any scum, but a pirate specifically, given my above analysis) and he's fingering Idle in furtherance of some pirate plan that involves zuma's knowing and imminent sacrifice.
That puts us in a tough spot, because the consequences of lynching Idle if it's #2 are very nearly as grave as the consequences of lynching zuma if it's #1...even if it ends up in a one-for-one trade.
Is there any way we can leave both of them be for one Day and devise some manner (during this Day and over the next Night) of determining conclusively which of the two of them is telling the truth? Or can we possibly make that conclusive determination by the end of the Day?
(I dreamt last night that I got an e-mail saying I'd been nightkilled. This game is getting to me!)
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 8:40:15 GMT -5
After sleeping on it, yeah, I think Idle is the one trying to throw the spanner in the works.
Vote Idle Thoughts.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 9, 2007 9:09:43 GMT -5
All in all, and discounting the fairly ridiculous possibility that zuma and Idle are somehow working together, it seems in the end that the two most likely scenarios are (1) zuma is Steele, and he's telling the truth; and (2) zuma is a pirate (not just any scum, but a pirate specifically, given my above analysis) and he's fingering Idle in furtherance of some pirate plan that involves zuma's knowing and imminent sacrifice. That puts us in a tough spot, because the consequences of lynching Idle if it's #2 are very nearly as grave as the consequences of lynching zuma if it's #1...even if it ends up in a one-for-one trade. Is there any way we can leave both of them be for one Day and devise some manner (during this Day and over the next Night) of determining conclusively which of the two of them is telling the truth? Or can we possibly make that conclusive determination by the end of the Day? Note: This is not a firm stance from me just yet on what is happening, just a scenario to consider, but the more I think about it, the more plausible it becomes. It's not ridiculous at all that they could be working together. In fact, if they are, it's brilliant. One or the other gets confirmed when the other is proven to be pirate. If we kill zuma, then Idle gets confirmed crew and a free pass to the end of the game. If we kill Idle, then zuma gets confirmed as Steele until the real Steele claims. When that happens, we would most likely kill the counter-claimer because we would have it stuck in our minds that zuma was telling the truth. Then of course we would kill zuma, but not until lots of damage was done. If this were the scenario happening, it would cause me to put a heavy FOS on Gadarene for wanting to wait another day for either of them. If this is the scenario happening, then I am playing with people way way smarter than me and we crew are screwed. As I said, the more I think about it the more plausible this scenario becomes. I don't want to hold off for a day to lynch either of them, and I still think that Idle Thoughts is the logical choice. Thanks panamajack for saying exactly what I was thinking, but couldn't articulate.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 9, 2007 9:19:09 GMT -5
Hell, if that were the scenario happening, I'd want to put a heavy FOS on me too. ;D The easy way to short-circuit such a scheme---which I still think requires way too much planning and could so easily go wrong---would be to not give the survivor of zuma and Idle Thoughts any more "crew cred" than they had before, even if the other one turns out to be scum.
If zuma is scum, he accomplishes almost as much by simply false-claiming Steele (and hoping the real Steele won't counterclaim) as he does by false-claiming (and hoping) and then framing Idle for a fall. Plus, in the latter scenario, they're then down one pirate. I dunno...I don't see it.
Not to say that we should wait a day (although I'm not sure how it could hurt at this stage, as long as we don't forget about either of them), but I just don't want to play right into the scum's hands by lynching Idle and having him turn out to be Steele or something.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 9:35:33 GMT -5
Ok, look people. Idle Thoughts is a pirate. Looking back on the last several pages of Day Three, I was struck by two thoughts.
1) Hal Briston really started to piss me off with his "AZTeach really screwed up there" defense when it was he who made the original error. His calm demeanor about the whole thing bothers the hell out of me, too.
2) The Doctor was going to protect zuma. Don't ask me how I worked this out, because I'm not giving that information away, but it's there.
Until I get some information going the other direction, it went down the way zuma said it went down.
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Post by capybara on Jun 9, 2007 10:18:29 GMT -5
Things I don't agree with: I've been inclined to think that Idle is crew, a sentiment that's been reinforced a bit by his, um, vociferous intensity this past evening. Now, this, to the contrary, has made me MORE suspicious of him. He's a strong personality and has a mischievous sense of humor, and I can see him invoking a non-existent grandmother dying at Auschwitz 2,457 Hindu deities, and Ralph Nader, imploring me not to be a noob chump and falling for that guy's game, and raging against the terrible injustice of it all, and then at the last moment going, "Bah, suckers! Go scum!" I think he's a player.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 9, 2007 10:54:04 GMT -5
Auto, zuma was going to be lynched. The votes were in his favor, and I hadn't even voted yet. When the hell else was he supposed to role claim? Sounds like Auto knows something we don't,I hate to point it out, but I think it's something the scum well notice as well.So, in light of Auto's vote and Idle's impassioned pleas,I took a look back at zuma and I ain't buying his role claim anymore. The Day4 events: Last night I watched myself. Idle Thoughts attacked me, and the doctor protected me. Things worked out pretty darn good there didn't they?Just perfect for the crew,too perfect. Now,I don't think any scum faction would have targeted zuma last night,especially not Idle thoughts, since in a few of the very last posts made in Day3 zuma attacks him.(g'head... open another browser and follow along with me, page 7) in posts #201-208 we have four posters frantically trying to make the vote count a tie(curiously Hal mentions its a good thing he didnt vote for hockey, perhaps because he didnt want to trade her scummy life for his(very noble Hal )then, lo and behold, neither of the front runners get it and auntbeast dies. In post #205 zuma mistakingly calls NAF Idle, which he corrects in post #211. Don't have any idea what that means, but considering Idle hadn't even posted on page 7, and the events so far today, it is worth mentioning. Anyhow, to get back to the main point I was making and why I dont think scum,especially Idle, would attack zuma last night, are posts #252 and #257,in one he votes for Idleand pings him in the other,which are right at the very,very end of Day3. So if Idle is a pirate,the pirates are a bunch of fools for sending in the one who is suspected by their target,and if Idle is Deadeye...well, I think Deadeye could kill anyone and be happy just so he gets the kill.I don't believe Deadeye would risk wasting a kill attempt on someone who may be blocked,specially since he fails half the time anyway. I chose to witness. I saw no reason why the doc would not protect me last night. Pretty cocksure isn't he? Risky move if he is Steele,but again,it worked out just perfect.If the doctor played smart,I think he would have thought zuma would block himself,not view himself,leaving Doc to protect someone else. Lets look some more at Day3 in post #252 ..well to me it's not protown just because zuma says so,it seems contrived. What makes zuma so sure Hal is town here?He never says. There is a lot more, he manipulated the vote at the end of day one also.Then later comments about how nobody called him on it.Sounds like Day3 again eh? Both results of his tie forcing, vote manipulations result in the death of a crew member , a crew member who was already under extreme suspicion,so it wouldn't be hard for the scum to nudge people in the "right" direction. Also,what I think,is one of the biggest scum tells made in the game so far with his "why did they kill Kyrie?" post. Looking back, zuma claimed with 15 hours to go in Day3,the way things change in this game,that is a shockingly premature claim,IMHO.Certainly not worth outing the most powerful role with so much time to spare. I feel any scum worth his salt would role claim when threatened and Steele is the only decent claim left since AZ and FCOD would surely dispute a claim of Doctor. I am always skeptical of role claims and I see too many people riding the fence here saying "I'm not sure about zuma's claim" and doing nothing about it...if you doubt his claim...DO SOMETHING! We are being way to cautious at this stage of the game. In other games I have played,I wanted to call bullshit on many of the claims and usually wound up wishing I had. I am gonna take a stand this time, Pirates be Damned! VOTE ZUMA Alright Idle,I've thrown my lot in with you,how bout a little help?
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 9, 2007 11:14:27 GMT -5
A post I forgot to mention is post #86 in Day3.Zuma puts an FOS on both Hal and Idle stating that Hal has made one of the "scummiest post's today". Read that post and then look at zumas subsequent posts in Day3 concerning Hal,I see no reason at all for his sudden change of heart. For those of you saying it is a trade-off Idle for zuma,I think we can get three scum for the price of zero here,by lynching zuma,followed by Hal and then NAF. Actually,i would rather lynch Hal first ,just to be on the side of caution,from what I am reading if Hal is scum,zuma must be as well.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 11:19:08 GMT -5
Mad, I'm not gonna argue with you on Hal, for many reasons. But do NOT start bandwagoning zuma.
The pirate is Idle Thoughts.
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Post by capybara on Jun 9, 2007 11:22:11 GMT -5
So if Idle is a pirate,the pirates are a bunch of fools for sending in the one who is suspected by their target, If they decided to try to off him, and had any fear that it wouldn't go off as planned, isn't that EXACTLY who they'd send in? No additional damage done and no new pirates under suspicion?
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 11:29:34 GMT -5
capy is posting a lot of things I just want to copy and say "I agree." You've gone a long way towards redemption in my eyes here. I would appreciate you voting, though. I am very worried that the pirates and pirate-aligned are going to dog pile zuma now, and all they need is one or two confused crew to go along with it.
Idle Thoughts is a pirate.
This is from the guy who was going after zuma for three Days.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 9, 2007 11:31:28 GMT -5
Mad, I'm not gonna argue with you on Hal, for many reasons. But do NOT start bandwagoning zuma. The pirate is Idle Thoughts. You are not gonna argue on Hal because you agree with me on that point?
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Post by capybara on Jun 9, 2007 11:37:22 GMT -5
I would appreciate you voting, though. I am very worried that the pirates and pirate-aligned are going to dog pile zuma now, and all they need is one or two confused crew to go along with it. Hasn't Mal announced that there won't be any sudden death toDay because of his absence? Yes, post #129: "5) I shall not be in a position to action any speed lynches today (real-time day) so I shan't even bother to stipulate a speed-lynch threshold. For now, assume all Days go the distance." There are no dog piles today, so no pushing, yo.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 11:41:40 GMT -5
Because I feel there's reason to suspect Hal, yeah. I don't feel there's reason to suspect NAF, and I'm 99% sure there's no reason to suspect zuma. However, Idle is a slam dunk as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that would convince me different is if the Doctor role-claims (and there's absolutely no reason that should happen) and says otherwise, or more likely (if zuma lied - which I don't think is likely), subtly says something that indicates that.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 9, 2007 11:43:45 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts is a pirate. This is from the guy who was going after zuma for three Days. I understand why you think Idle is scum,but if you could do me a favor, AZ, and turn off your tunnel-vision goggles for awhile and reread all of zuma's posts,only this time read his posts like he is a scum.We have time,I will do the same with Idle.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 11:45:23 GMT -5
Hm. You're right, capy - I read that as part of Idle's mod-kill death-wish thing. My thing is, and this is why I've been on all morning, is that in about an hour, I'm gonna be gone for the entire day - until after 2 AM game-time, and I really don't want to come back, see seven or so votes for zuma, momentum going that way, and the Doctor forced to role-claim. So I'd like to see some motion in the correct direction before I go.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 9, 2007 11:46:27 GMT -5
Mad, I spent three Days reading zuma's posts as scum posts. Trust me, I've done the homework on zuma.
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Post by cowgirl on Jun 9, 2007 11:58:44 GMT -5
I understand why you think Idle is scum,but if you coulddo me a favor, AZ, and turn off your tunnel-vision goggles for awhile and reread all of zuma's posts,only this time read his posts like he is a scum.We have time,I will do the same with Idle. I'm doing that very thing, and I agree, they do look scummy. But remember that power roles look scummy. If he is telling the truth, the risk of killing him without testing his claim is high. If he is lying, we will unfortunately lynch another crew, but we will get him tomorrow, and then we can follow up with the rest of your suggestions. And I can't imagine why he would lie if he was crew. I just can't. Too many moving parts, as Gadarene said. Can someone come up with a reasonable scenario where he'd do that? Idle?
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Post by capybara on Jun 9, 2007 12:06:11 GMT -5
Ok, unofficial and very possibly poor arithmetic (I'm a humanities sailor): currently at Zuma: 3 (mad, Auto, Idle) Idle: 4 (AZ, FCOD, pleonast, NAF)
Missing anything?
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