Day Seven

[sinjin]

catinasuit said:

sinjin said:

Our very own confirmed mason CatinaSuit. Who I now believe is a traitor who although he "grew up" with his fellow masons and is "well-known" to them went over to the darkside not for cookies but for all the money Kassia was collecting. It's the only way for me to make sense of the sudden orchestrated attack on me toDay, his role fishing and his tossing out the possibility of a no lynch to see if anyone bites.

Ummm, what money was Kassia collecting??

I don't think anything has been suggested anywhere about a financial reward for the Speculators?

Please tell us, where did this info come from?

Really Cat? You've forgotten your partners death notice already?

The second death was just as unsettling. She had wandered down by the artificial river running near the edge of town, feeling surprisingly confident. Her humanity had been all but confirmed, and none of them suspected the extra truth she held. Her murderer may not have suspected either, but held her head under the water long enough that it no longer mattered. When they discovered her body and searched her things, they found some odd things indeed - a complete blueprint of a Replicant, a coded journal, and enough cash to equal the combined income of the entire colony of New Canaan. Further research revealed that she had been an off-world businesswoman, whose had come to New Canaan intending to gain control over the town's rogue Replicants, via means that her various possessions did not clarify. She was no Replicant, but she was no friend to New Canaan, either.

Underlining and italics mine.

[CatInASuit]

I believe I will disagree about the rewards that kassia was looking for from New Canaan.

Death Scene for kassia

The second death was just as unsettling. She had wandered down by the artificial river running near the edge of town, feeling surprisingly confident. Her humanity had been all but confirmed, and none of them suspected the extra truth she held. Her murderer may not have suspected either, but held her head under the water long enough that it no longer mattered. When they discovered her body and searched her things, they found some odd things indeed - a complete blueprint of a Replicant, a coded journal, and enough cash to equal the combined income of the entire colony of New Canaan. Further research revealed that she had been an off-world businesswoman, whose had come to New Canaan intending to gain control over the town's rogue Replicants, via means that her various possessions did not clarify. She was no Replicant, but she was no friend to New Canaan, either.

This implies she was already loaded with cash and she was here to control the rogue Replicants. No mention is made of collecting cash for her exploits until.....

quoth Speculator sinjin

sinjin said:

Our very own confirmed mason CatinaSuit. Who I now believe is a traitor who although he "grew up" with his fellow masons and is "well-known" to them went over to the darkside not for cookies but for all the money Kassia was collecting. It's the only way for me to make sense of the sudden orchestrated attack on me toDay, his role fishing and his tossing out the possibility of a no lynch to see if anyone bites.

This implies she was in it to receive a reward from an external party.

One of these things is not like the other

[sinjin]

Way to misread Cat. I was talking about you profitting by turning traitor and joining Kassia so you could get some of the scads of $$$ she had accumulated. Or did you forget this post of yours:

Actions of the speculator: I would guess sensing a profit (hence the name) they are looking to control the Rogue replicants (from the colour). This is amusing because it means the Rogue Replicants can probably lose not from being lynched but by being totally controlled by the Speculator(s), if any remain.

Getting a little braggy there at the end?

[Parzival]

Okay, sinjin, here's the case against you :

CatinaSuit's description (7.13) of the Speculators mentions that 50% of humans have an 'odd reaction'. This fits your claim (and what happened to Santo Rugger) almost perfectly. What I experienced was not an 'odd reaction', at least not as odd as that.

You quoted where I first mentioned it, and I'll repeat it - it only matched what Santo Rugger said in the first part of the Day. It did not match it in oddness. There could be several explanations for it, but CatinaSuit's description doesn't fit what happened to me anywhere as near as it fits what you do.

I also appear to be the only person reporting anything like it. Then again Santo Rugger was the only one who had blue pee for certain. Because for all we know kassia was aware of the effects and faked her claim. For all I know what happened to me was one of her powers, or something else entirely.

Finally, I'm almost inclined to lynch you solely based on your actions of the last few nights. Rather than try and reduce the suspect pool, you opted to 'hide'. Even if you have that power, it's a crappy way to treat the town. You had a close to 50% shot at confirming someone, and you opted not to do it.

Why trust CatinaSuit?

He's a Mason. When we only had atarus claimed I was a little worried that the Masons might have a separate win condition. Not that they should be lynch targets, just over whether their information could be trusted. But with the rest claiming, they have (as Cat put it) signed their own Death Warrants. This shows they have the town's interests at heart.
You've tried to somehow suggest that he's an evil Mason but that seems like a really desperate move.


Also just noticed - Interesting catch, Cat. It wouldn't be surprising if kassia was the one paying off sinjin (which is where she thought of 'collecting').

I'd like to go on record :
vote sinjin

[Death By Irony]

Well, I've thought things over, and with the new things that have come to light, it seems awfully unlikely that CatInASuit would be lying as well, so vote sinjin.

[storyteller0910]

DAY SEVEN VOTE COUNT, PAGE THREE EDITION

sinjin (4) - Roosh, Captain Klutz, Parzival, Death by Irony
Roosh (1) - sinjin

Five votes have been cast of a possible nine. Five votes on the same person will trigger a vote freeze; if sinjin receives one more vote, voting will freeze and diggitcamara will have to decide whether to grant a stay of execution. Otherwise, the Day will end naturally on Tuesday at 5:00PM EST.

[CatInASuit]

I will delay voting on sinjin because I believe there are a few more issues to discuss.

Death By Irony
Kat v2.0
Parzival
zuma v2.0

can we hear some more from you on Captain Klutz's and my ideas concerning role claiming from the suspect pool and the likely roles remaining.

To all: Do you think we have a Serial Killer or a backup Blade Runner?

[sinjin]

Roosh quotes:

The day the replicants atttacked, I woke up in a panic with a 'strange device' attached to my leg. Oh, and it blinks red.
I was just told I had this strange device on my leg, and that I should lay low about it, as certain people would be VERY interested to know I had the device on me.

I didn't have any other real information in my initial PM from Story on that. Other than I knew there was a device on my leg, and it blinked. It's been there since the game started (as it's been in my Role PM). I was given no information on it/ if I could interact with it at that time.

So Roosh has had the device on him since before the game began.

But at least my efforts were not in Vain. Though I failed to disactivate the device, I found out how who planted the device.... (apparently it was on a part of the metal or something that I pulled off?? Not really sure about that plot hole, Story....)

So I planted the device on Roosh before the game began. Does this seem even remotely plausible? Has a player ever had an action in Mafia before that takes place before the game begins?

You haven't figured it out? Here's a hint.
They've got a shitload of devices and technology.
And CAIS already figured it out anyways.
It's the same Person.

I have a nano-gun no other devices.

Dude. The bitch put a bomb on me. And she's got a gun that makes people pee blue. AND she says she's got other abilities that she doesn't wanna name.

Not so

If I DON'T die toDay, LYNCH ME FIRST THING tomorrow morning for being a liar. Or if you're a Blade Runner or a dude with a night kill Vig me toNight. I don't mind at all.

This is the BIGGEST ISSUE. WE CANNOT afford to NOT lynch toDay! Either way toDay I AM dying, whether you lynch or not. But I do NOT want the Town to waste its lynch toDay because its gonna be a close game, and just waiting to lose an extra Pro-town power role is such a stupid stupid move.

But LYNCHING me (which is what I presume Sinjin will be trying to get you all to do now) Is the WORST possible move you can make. As it WASTES our lynch for toDay and basically gives BOTH the Replicants AND the Speculators a free wash toDay.
Don't fall for it.

Again, why is Roosh so desperate not to die today.

You guys are making a big mistake. Lynching me will in all probability give the game to the speculators. I am the last identifiable human left except for digit and traitor Cat.

And why the rush to judgement? You’re not even giving me time to present an adequate defense.

[CatInASuit]

sinjin said:

Roosh quotes:

The day the replicants atttacked, I woke up in a panic with a 'strange device' attached to my leg. Oh, and it blinks red.
I was just told I had this strange device on my leg, and that I should lay low about it, as certain people would be VERY interested to know I had the device on me.

I didn't have any other real information in my initial PM from Story on that. Other than I knew there was a device on my leg, and it blinked. It's been there since the game started (as it's been in my Role PM). I was given no information on it/ if I could interact with it at that time.

So Roosh has had the device on him since before the game began.

So I planted the device on Roosh before the game began. Does this seem even remotely plausible? Has a player ever had an action in Mafia before that takes place before the game begins?

Night Zero actions before the opening day fit this criteria perfectly.

Also, if the Speculators get to add a device to a randomly selected person in the game, then there is no reason the scum could not get info on a randomly selected person in the game as well.

Which means if Roosh is blown up tonight through a device planted before the game began, then Captain Klutz's defence about knowing about Kat in advance becomes even more shaky as I would expect both scum factions to be treated pretty equally.

And yes, I now consider the Speculators and Rogue replicants to be both scum parties.

This could be a very interesting evening indeed.

[sinjin]

Parzival:

Finally, I'm almost inclined to lynch you solely based on your actions of the last few nights. Rather than try and reduce the suspect pool, you opted to 'hide'. Even if you have that power, it's a crappy way to treat the town. You had a close to 50% shot at confirming someone, and you opted not to do it.

This is a terrible reason to lynch someone. Go back to your numbers Parzival. I did not have a 50% chance of confirming someone. It's 50/50 for each human tested and ZERO for each replicant. I know I'm human 100%. So you think it's best for the colony to lose a colonist on the off chance that another human who could have been a speculator would be confirmed? (as we learned after Kassia's death). And if you're filled with so much hate for me hiding what about Roosh?

[sinjin]

Roosh:

Night 1:

However, NAF's claim is perhaps the "most townie", it sounds like it could def. fix the problem of protecting against Replicants better than I could, and it doesn't conflict against my role. He's more like the witchdoctor from conspiracy.... So, that's my decision for tonight:
Do I protect myself or NAF? I'm gonna take the risk here, and
I'm going to protect NAF tonight
And hopefully we'll be able to figure out some things in the morning. With my ass still there as well.

So Roosh says NAF's claim is "most townie" implying that he's weighing who to protect. The only other claim on day one was Pleo and Roosh was voting for him. It makes no sense for him to have to choose the "most townie" claimer when he's voted against the only other claimer.

Night 2:
But as for who I'm gonna protect tonight? I think that's obvious:
I'm gonna be watching out for #1 tonight: I protect Myself for Night 2.

Huh, suddenly you're more important than NAF? And NAF gets offed.

Night 3:
Whoa. Hold the presses!
I wanna cancel my last Orders based on new intelligence!
Atarus just claimed masonhood! AND he pointed out that Pygmy may not be cleared just yet.
Business is about to pick up- so I think I know what I wanna do.

Heh, it's the noble thing to do: A fallen soldier seeks redemption. He's screwed up, but he's gonna go forth and try to save the life of his best buddy. I'm gonna protect Atarus for Night 3. Confirming Action.
Night 4:

So tonight, I'm just gonna do the same thing as last night: I'll protect Atarus Again. AND hope to GOD that no one tries to take me out tonight....
And then maybe toMorrow I'll have to share my info with the town. We NEED to do something... and you better not just be sitting there laughing your ass off at us, Story....
Anyways, I'm out for now.

A mason is more important than a guy who can bring a colonist back to life as a replicant who is resistant to night kills?

And then on nights 5 and 6 he protected himself again. Way to go Doc.

[sinjin]

catinasuit said:

sinjin said:

Roosh quotes:
So Roosh has had the device on him since before the game began.

So I planted the device on Roosh before the game began. Does this seem even remotely plausible? Has a player ever had an action in Mafia before that takes place before the game begins?

Night Zero actions before the opening day fit this criteria perfectly.

It wasn't a Night Zero action. It was in his role PM. And he called me out in particular as having planted it on him.

I found out how who planted the device.... (apparently it was on a part of the metal or something that I pulled off?? Not really sure about that plot hole, Story....)

And I'm sorry I don't believe story left a plot hole with my name on it planted in Roosh's imaginary bomb. Basically what Cat and Roosh are saying is that if I was a speculator I was set up from before the game began to lose?

Fellow colonists if you don't see the flaws in all this, we truely deserve to lose.

[sinjin]

Story: Did you leave a plot hole as has been described by Roosh? And did any speculators have a pre-game action?

[CatInASuit]

Hmm, You raise an interesting point there.

From Roosh's roleclaim

2. My Dilemma (my words):
The day the replicants atttacked, I woke up in a panic with a 'strange device' attached to my leg. Oh, and it blinks red.
I was just told I had this strange device on my leg, and that I should lay low about it, as certain people would be VERY interested to know I had the device on me.

I didn't have any other real information in my initial PM from Story on that. Other than I knew there was a device on my leg, and it blinked. It's been there since the game started (as it's been in my Role PM). I was given no information on it/ if I could interact with it at that time.

If true, and it was part of his opening PM, then yes, you were set up to fail.

This is really unlikely and I think some further explanation from Roosh is in order.

It doesn't stop the possibility of you being a Speculator, due to my inside info, but it does open up the possibility that Roosh is a liar, and therefore scum holding on for one more Night (oh, doesn't that seem familiar).

Either way, he either dies tonight or tomorrow.

[storyteller0910]

sinjin said:

Story: Did you leave a plot hole as has been described by Roosh? And did any speculators have a pre-game action?

Both delightful questions that I will of course decline to answer. ;D

[CatInASuit]

Well, I have run through the options based on the Speculator Win assumption I mentioned earlier.

We have to Lynch a Rogue Replicant or Speculator today.

If we lynch town, the Speculators win.

If we no Lynch, then the Speculators win if Roosh is telling the truth. If he is lying, we still stand a chance.

[Captain Klutz]

catinasuit said:

Night Zero actions before the opening day fit this criteria perfectly.

Also, if the Speculators get to add a device to a randomly selected person in the game, then there is no reason the scum could not get info on a randomly selected person in the game as well.

Which means if Roosh is blown up tonight through a device planted before the game began, then Captain Klutz's defence about knowing about Kat in advance becomes even more shaky as I would expect both scum factions to be treated pretty equally.

And yes, I now consider the Speculators and Rogue replicants to be both scum parties.

This could be a very interesting evening indeed.

The existance of Night zero actions looks extremely unlikely. Here is the opening post from storyteller:

Have at it. Talk about what you will, but no overt strategizing or voting, please.

Oh - quick update. All PMs have been sent. I have confirmations from about half the players. The off-site boards are open; the spoiler board is not yet ready.

If everyone confirms today, are there objections to starting Day One a little early (this afternoon or Friday)?

Note the "no overt strategizing". Someone asked if there was going to be a Night zero so they could get started while waiting for everyone to confirm. Storyteller obliged but did not intend it to be a time to strategise. Night zero lasted less than 12 hours and not everyone even realised it was happenning. In seems extremely unlikely that there were any Night zero actions.

I think Roosh's device was part of his role PM and sinjin has been looking for him all game (if it were planted by selecting him on Night zero then it would not have been very hard to find him). I would say there were 2 possible outcomes after the device was activated:
1. If Roosh can disarm it then he would not have learned who planted it.
2. If Roosh fails to disarm it he will die. As compensation, he learns the identity of the one who planted it.

Having said that, I don't want to end the Day too early, so for the moment

unvote sinjin

[Captain Klutz]

Parzival, you didn't respond to my analysis in post #58 where I decided you were a speculator.

Give us a reason not to target you or sinjin. It's time for a full role claim, including your win condition and the rogue replicants you have controlled.

If this is not forthcoming then I can only assume that your win is exclusive (ie a shared win the Colony is not possible). In which case you should be regarded as another scum group.

[Parzival]

Sorry Klutz, your deciding I'm a Speculator isn't going to get me to claim. I see no need for claims until we come down to having several unknowns to choose from, and today is not that day.


I did read your thoughts and intended to reply shortly after my other post this morning but ran out of time. Good thing is, now I have more time. (But not in this post; I'm still working on it).

Sinjin, what about Roosh? I think he's scum, too. And yes, partly for having only 'protected' dead people and himself.

I wouldn't lynch you outright for your failure to test the town - it's just something that annoyed me mostly (but saying you did nothing is a way to avoid anyone catching you as well, so it's scummy for that). Since even now most of the colony is human, you had two chances to confirm one of the humans. Narrowing the field to the suspicious (i.e. no masons or others) probably does bring the chance down (say 30-40%), but it was better than doing nothing.

Because you were never confirmed at all. All that was nearly-confirmed was your testing ability which is almost certainly confirmed with Santo Rugger dead. It probably means you aren't scum, either, but I think stopping the Speculators is a high priority.


Way I see it, if sinjin is a Spec and we lynch her, and Roosh is lying scum, we only lose Tomorrow morning if there's three scum left. This is unlikely.


If she's not a Spec and we lynch, we're down to 7-8 tonight (depending on Roosh), and maybe 5-6 tomorrow morning. Two scum + one or two Spec needed for a loss. Except you have to believe that Cat is either egregriously wrong/lying, and Roosh is lying as well, and Sinjin is telling the truth.

But this could happen with just about anyone else we lynch.

Even if we lynch Roosh, we might still have 6 alive in the morning; but if two Specs remain + 2 scum, we lose.

So if the Speculator win condition is as speculated, our best chance is to get one today. And I see no other clear choice than sinjin


Question for Roosh :

Does your fashion accesory say "See you in hell. Love, Sinjin", or is it something like "Speculators, Inc. Bent on World Domination since 2021"? You've implied that it's the former, but in 7.24 you used 'they' so I'd like you to clarify that.

[Parzival]

First, the exegesis of post 2.63 :

My quote of the opening color was:

(Any player with a Day action may PM me at any time, starting now, with their choice. Off-board discussants may not discuss strategy off-board until the end of the Day).

Another thing revealed there - any groups that can confer off-board may not do so during the Day. I had missed that, and wasn't sure until I read it that we could rule out scum strategizing during the Day.

The 'any groups' is a hypothetical - it is not ruled out by what story said about 'off-board discussants'. In fact the phrase itself (instead of 'replicants') seems to deliberately leave the possibility open. But 'scum' is definite. We know there are definitely scum. Th

(You yourself used generic 'scum' in the post accusing me

As for the second sentence, I wasn't sure if any of my previous comments had been based on that thinking. So I wanted to make it explicit in case someone found it strange that I thought it to be the case. Just me explaining what happened.

Quoting Captain Klutz (7.58)

Day 5.160
Quote:
At the start of the Day, I was thinking that kassia, Cookies, and DBI were looking the most suspicious to me. Klutz was (and still is) looking more strange after last Night. Even with the role claim, I'm not certain of his alignment; but I'm inclined to think the way he's acted is not rogue replicant, whatever it may be.

Parzival is not certain of my alignment. Well, I'm not sure how you can be certain of anyone's alignment, unless you have special knowledge. My reading of that is "I know he's not fellow scum, but I can't tell if he's Colony or Third Party". Although it could also be "I wasn't able to control you, so I know you're not a rogue replicant, but I don't know what the heck you are".

I don't see how stating a truism is somehow damning. Especially considering that some people (like Cat at one point) implied that we had a way of knowing alignment (by those who tested human). You are also either both accusing me of being a Speculator and a replicant in the same post, unless 'scum' is supposed to be generic.


I'd also ask you to think about my night visitor. If both Sinjin and I are Speculators, why would I make up such a story at the same time as she did but have it NOT fit what happened? Why wouldn't I say along with kassia that I had blue pee as well? I only revealed well after sinjin had explained her role, so I can't see how that makes sense if I'm a Speculator. She has tried to use it to say that someone.



One more thing:
Aside from those who are being quiet, who's the one who is closest to not advocating lynching sinjin?

In 2.20 Capt. Klutz votes Roosh, having 'missed' the reveal on sinjin.

2.51:

And I would prefer to lynch scum toDay. Note that sinjin is also a threat to the scum, so they may well target her toNight if we let her live (although in that case we'll need to hope that she doesn't gain control of the final replicant toNight).

Would rather lynch scum than sinjin. Also seems to have missed that she claimed a hiding ability.
Switches his thinking only after deciding I am also a Speculator, apparently only to be contrary to me.

Unvotes Sinjin in 7.76 to avoid ending the Day early.



Although I said last night I thought getting scum is more important than getting anti-colony types, I've reconsidered in light of what's going on today. I want nothing more today than to see Sinjin lynched. And Roosh tomorrow if he's still alive.

[Gir!]

catinasuit said:

I will delay voting on sinjin because I believe there are a few more issues to discuss.

Death By Irony
Kat v2.0
Parzival
zuma v2.0

can we hear some more from you on Captain Klutz's and my ideas concerning role claiming from the suspect pool and the likely roles remaining.

To all: Do you think we have a Serial Killer or a backup Blade Runner?

If--and that's a big IF--Klutz is both telling the truth and accurate about Parzival's role (and everyone else is telling the truth as well), then there's no way that we have a backup Blade Runner. Part of me is hoping he's right, but the other part of me wonders why storyteller would make an as essentially useless a role as the one Klutz is claiming.

[Gir!]

Parzival, parts of your last post were all screwy. Could you finish up the following sentences:

1) But 'scum' is definite. We know there are definitely scum. Th

2) (You yourself used generic 'scum' in the post accusing me Not sure is this is just missing the period and end parentheses, or if there should be more to the sentence. - Kat


3) She has tried to use it to say that someone. that someone what? - Kat

parzival said:

I'd also ask you to think about my night visitor. If both Sinjin and I are Speculators, why would I make up such a story at the same time as she did but have it NOT fit what happened? Why wouldn't I say along with kassia that I had blue pee as well? I only revealed well after sinjin had explained her role, so I can't see how that makes sense if I'm a Speculator. She has tried to use it to say that someone.

Well, if you and kassia couldn't communicate off-board (like Masons or something), and had no idea that you were both Speculators, then you wouldn't really know that you were working as cross-purposes. But that's a silly way to make a scum group, plus it would contradict Klutz's accusation of you being in an off-board discussion group.

I know that faulty logic != scum, but Klutz just seems to be going goofy lately. Can anyone (besides the man himself) point out something to make me less suspicious of him?

[Gir!]

Er...make that "Well, if you and sinjin couldn't communicate off-board..."

[Parzival]

kat said:

Parzival, parts of your last post were all screwy. Could you finish up the following sentences:

1) But 'scum' is definite. We know there are definitely scum. Th

2) (You yourself used generic 'scum' in the post accusing me Not sure is this is just missing the period and end parentheses, or if there should be more to the sentence. - Kat


3) She has tried to use it to say that someone. that someone what? - Kat

Sorry, my laptop battery was running low and I posted without preview.

1) To continue ... "We know there are definitely scum in the game. So we can logical say the scum can't talk during the Day. I was leaving open the possibility of other groups while making the sure conclusion (about the only known group at the start)."

(Leading into point 2 I was going to ask why he thought 'scum' couldn't include other groups since it is sometimes generic for anti-town. I myself try not to use it that way, but I was about to point out that he was until I re-read and partially edited.)

2) Initially I thought Klutz was using generic 'scum', but I think he was actually accusing me of being a replicant when he said 'fellow scum'.

3) "... that someone else is a Speculator who did it to me, but I've already responded to that."

[sinjin]

kat said:

catinasuit said:

I will delay voting on sinjin because I believe there are a few more issues to discuss.

Death By Irony
Kat v2.0
Parzival
zuma v2.0

can we hear some more from you on Captain Klutz's and my ideas concerning role claiming from the suspect pool and the likely roles remaining.

To all: Do you think we have a Serial Killer or a backup Blade Runner?

If--and that's a big IF--Klutz is both telling the truth and accurate about Parzival's role (and everyone else is telling the truth as well), then there's no way that we have a backup Blade Runner. Part of me is hoping he's right, but the other part of me wonders why storyteller would make an as essentially useless a role as the one Klutz is claiming.

italics mine.

Kat why would a colonist hope there is no backup Blade Runner?

[sinjin]

EBWOP;

Gah, I just read Kat's post from another point of view. She could be saying she's hoping that Klutz is right about Parzival, not about there being no blade-runner.

Sorry I'm experiencing a major sense of paranoia at the moment. And yes I do think they are out to get me.

[Captain Klutz]

Parzival

1) To continue ... "We know there are definitely scum in the game. So we can logical say the scum can't talk during the Day. I was leaving open the possibility of other groups while making the sure conclusion (about the only known group at the start)."

Okay, I can sort of understand that. My point was that your use of "other groups" sounded like you were aware of another group that discussed off board, since storyteller didn't use the term.

And my other point,

He has pointed out that scum cannot strategise during the day. This is useful information that is worth telling us about. But then there is a totally unnecessary comment added: "I had missed that, and wasn't sure until I read it that we could rule out scum strategizing during the Day". This adds nothing to the post, except to say "I am not scum, otherwise I would have already known this". And that pings me a bit.

Your reply

As for the second sentence, I wasn't sure if any of my previous comments had been based on that thinking. So I wanted to make it explicit in case someone found it strange that I thought it to be the case. Just me explaining what happened.

Hmmmm. Maybe. Perhaps.


Re your comment "I'm not certain of his alignment", you replied

I don't see how stating a truism is somehow damning. Especially considering that some people (like Cat at one point) implied that we had a way of knowing alignment (by those who tested human). You are also either both accusing me of being a Speculator and a replicant in the same post, unless 'scum' is supposed to be generic.

We had a way of testing species, but not alignment. There are very few cases where we can be sure of someone's alignment, so stating it does look odd.

As far as accusing you of being both a replicant and a Speculator: I thought you could be either. I originally took it as saying that you couldn't tell if I was Colony or Third Party, then I thought it could instead mean that you were a Speculator who knew that I was not a rogue replicant (you even said "... but I'm inclined to think the way he's acted is not rogue replicant, whatever it may be.")

I'd also ask you to think about my night visitor. If both Sinjin and I are Speculators, why would I make up such a story at the same time as she did but have it NOT fit what happened? Why wouldn't I say along with kassia that I had blue pee as well? I only revealed well after sinjin had explained her role, so I can't see how that makes sense if I'm a Speculator. She has tried to use it to say that someone.

Claiming blue pee would tie you in with sinjin and kassia and I think you wanted to distance yourself from them.

Kat.v2, in answer to your question in #81 above, I think that the Speculators do confer off board and they agreed that Parzival should try to distance himself from them.


Parzival talking about Klutz:

Would rather lynch scum than sinjin. Also seems to have missed that she claimed a hiding ability.
Switches his thinking only after deciding I am also a Speculator, apparently only to be contrary to me.

I didn't miss the hiding ability, I just didn't believe it. I also don't believe her list of players that she claims she targeted.

And yes, I said I wanted to lynch scum before Speculators. However, when I found evidence that pointed to you as a Speculator, and you had said that you wanted to focus on scum rather than Speculators, then I got worried. Anyone else saying that they wanted to focus on scum rather than Speculators would have been fine, but coming from a Speculator it looks really bad. Especially since we don't know if the Speculator's win is exclusive or shared.

[Captain Klutz]

kat said:

If--and that's a big IF--Klutz is both telling the truth and accurate about Parzival's role (and everyone else is telling the truth as well), then there's no way that we have a backup Blade Runner. Part of me is hoping he's right, but the other part of me wonders why storyteller would make an as essentially useless a role as the one Klutz is claiming.

Okay, that's a reasonable response from Kat.v2.

I'm now all but convinced that Kat.v2 is vanilla Colony and the last 2 scum are Death By Irony and zuma.v2. One is the assassin, the other is the Nexus-9. Now to see if I can figure out which is which.

[sinjin]

0Parzival you are so full of it your eyes are brown:

I wouldn't lynch you outright for your failure to test the town - it's just something that annoyed me mostly (but saying you did nothing is a way to avoid anyone catching you as well, so it's scummy for that). Since even now most of the colony is human, you had two chances to confirm one of the humans. Narrowing the field to the suspicious (i.e. no masons or others) probably does bring the chance down (say 30-40%), but it was better than doing nothing.

Because you were never confirmed at all. All that was nearly-confirmed was your testing ability which is almost certainly confirmed with Santo Rugger dead. It probably means you aren't scum, either, but I think stopping the Speculators is a high priority.

You have been playing fast and loose with numbers since day one. I went back and looked at your posts since day one and you have presented so much bs math my meter is pegged. Let's start with your "random" vote for Govenor on Day one based on precipitation data. To the unitiated this would seem to be a truely random vote. However you manipulated the data first by multiplying by 100 and then only using 635535 rows and then taking mod 25 to get a number 24. This type of data is so easily manipulated it's laughable. If instead of multiplying your data by 100 you had rounded to the nearest integer and then taken the mod you would have gotten 22. If you had taken into account any number of rows above or below 635535 you could have gotten any number you wanted. So not anywhere near a random result.

Then you tried to get me to reveal those who I nanoed based on probabilities on Day 5. You pushed pretty hard for that in numerous posts. I wouldn't release the info because I didn't want anyone who was colony to be unfairly compromised. Unfortunately I gave in to Cat today with that info before I suspected him of being a traitor.

I still urge the colonists to look at the actions and statements of those I tested and not the results or non-results of the blue wee. It's only about 50% for humans and zero for replicants. Don't lynch someone based primarily on the wee results after I'm gone.

Then you came in today and castigated me for hiding instead of testing after I claimed saying I had a 50% chance of identifying colonists and I acted non-townie because I didn't risk myself for this 50% chance. The 50% factor was simply not true as I pointed out. Now you are back saying well Ok, it's only a 30-40% chance to identify a human (not even necessarily a colonist as we now know) but I should have tested and not hid because I wasn't confirmed as a colonist at all. Duh, this is the reverse of the Pleo theory that he couldn't confirm himself as a colonist. I can confirm myself and I felt the 100% surity of my knowledge of who I was and me alive was way better for the colony then me dead and a 30-40% chance that someone else could possibly be confirmed as human only in my stead.

And as for claiming no nanoing to avoid being caught or telling tales about who I tested ala' Klutz: HELLO! I could have claimed I tested anybody who is dead or even alive. Hey I tested Cookies, Tragic, Kat, Parzival etc. I tested those I said I tested, in the order I said, no more no less. If you want my reasons I'll give them, although I'm a bit embarrassed about the first one.

Also does anyone have a save copy of the various threads. I remember a sig line of Parzival's yesterDay or the Day before that now seems wrong to me. It went something like:

"Penfold mood 371", something about amphibians followed by "trepidation about my brother's bold" actions or something.

I just read the book and couldn't find mood 371 nor anything about a brother online or in the book. When I first read the sig I thought Parzival was sending a message to a fellow mason, but he has not come out as a mason.

[Death By Irony]

catinasuit said:

can we hear some more from you on Captain Klutz's and my ideas concerning role claiming from the suspect pool and the likely roles remaining.

To all: Do you think we have a Serial Killer or a backup Blade Runner?

Well, personally I think there is a Serial Killer (just as a general Mafia setup thing given that we've had as many as three kills per Night).

Dead Colonists:
1. zuma - Vanilla Colonist - Lynched Day One
2. CatinaSuit - Vanilla Colonist - Killed Night One
3. hockey monkey - Vanilla Colonist - Killed Night One
4. Diomedes - Vanilla Colonist - Lynched Day Two
5. mhaye - Vanilla Colonist - Killed Night Two
6. zeriel - Vanilla Colonist - Lynched Day Four
7. Santo Rugger - Vanilla Colonist - Killed Night Six

Assuming that "uninformed majority" means vanilla Colonists, one would think that the maximum number of vanilla left would be 5, but given the rest of the information below that sounds darned unlikely.

Dead Power Roles:
8. Kat- The Neuromancer - Killed Night One
9. Pleonast - Rick Deckard, the Blade Runner - Lynched Day Three
10. NAF1138 - The Creator - Killed Night Two
11. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - The Medic - Killed Night Five
12. atarus - Third Scion of New Canaan - Killed Night Six

Claimed Roles (using revealed and/or claimed rolenames this time):
*diggitcamara, Scion of New Canaan (confirmed by atarus and CatInASuit)
*CatInAsuit, Scion of New Canaan (confirmed by diggitcamara)
*Captain Klutz, Code Runner, Kat v1's backup (claims Pre-game knowledge of Kat v1 and Day One breadcrumb of said fact)
*Sinjin, R&D Scientist (sinjin, did you ever claim an official rolename?)
*Roosh, Former Combat Medic (backup Medic with % success and a device attached to his leg)

Dead Replicants:
13. drainbead - Rogue Replicant (Pleasure Model) - Lynched Day Five
14. Tragic - Rogue Replicant (Laborer) - Killed Night Five
15. episodeofblonde - Rogue Replicant (Commando) - Lynched Day Six

According to our masons, we're still missing an assassin and a Nexus-9.

Dead Other:
16. kassia - Speculator - Killed Night Five

According to CatInASuit, we have "a few" Speculators remaining. That does suggest at least three at the start of the game.

I also personally think that we do have a Serial Killer because of the number of Night Kills (although obviously a Backup Blade Runner would be massively awesome).

So, taking away the two confirmed Masons for the time being, we have seven unknowns:
1. Captain Klutz
2. Death by Irony
3. Kat v. 2.0 (Yattara)
4. Parzival
5. Roosh
6. sinjin
7. zuma Version 2.0 (Blaster Master)

I doubt that the Speculators count as part of the Replicant's win condition (or vice versa)--or if they do, then there can't be more than one Speculator left, or the game would have ended at Dawn.

Roosh is supposedly going boom at Dusk; taking him out of the equation for the time being, these are my other suspects:
1. Sinjin (obviously, I'm voting her after all)
2. Parzival (the "something happened to me" thing smells fishy)
3. Captain Klutz (his knowledge of Kat does seem pro-Colony, but the paranoid part of me wonders that if he IS a Speculator or something he could have just claimed his own role name)