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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 3, 2008 14:41:52 GMT -5
Well, there goes Hal Briston. That's four mislynches in a row for the town. Oh dear
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Post by sachertorte on Mar 3, 2008 14:52:16 GMT -5
Yup. Four in a row. I think that's a record. It has to be a record right?
And Town was so close to getting Cookies Yesterday. What a difference that made.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 4, 2008 4:03:33 GMT -5
So, should the scum try to pick off townies tonight or should they hold tight and try to get them to lynch the other scum instead?
Personally, I think they should be trying to kill the townies.
What do you lot think?
and can I start rooting for the scum now ;D
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Post by Hal Briston on Mar 4, 2008 8:18:00 GMT -5
Well, that was a rather spectacularly bad performance, wouldn't you say? Ah well...I knew I should've sat this one out. From the beginning I knew I had a lot going on IRL and wasn't sure if I could put in the time needed here. By the time I was able to concentrate on the game, it was already Day Three. I'd have been a whooole lot better off just staying in my hole. To address something sach said last page -- yeah, a hammer vote like I did is certainly grounds for lynching. True, I simply didn't notice we were so close to the hammer, but it's important that precedent be set otherwise scum will just fall back on the "oops!" card.
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Post by sachertorte on Mar 4, 2008 9:47:15 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad Hal. I didn't even realize what you had done when you did it. I was expecting Kat to come in and roleclaim to make everything better; then I noticed the ruleset was insta-hammer, so...
At the very least, everyone will be more careful about instant hammering in the future.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 5, 2008 8:15:54 GMT -5
Well, it looks like we will be down to at least 3 scum and 3 town tomorrow with only 1 scum action remaining.
I wonder if, with a 50/50 shot, the town will actually manage to lynch a scum this time around.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 5, 2008 16:10:52 GMT -5
Wow. VERY Smooth move by Storyteller, blocking for Pleonast. Totally selfless, and I do forgive him for pretty much strip Searching me me earlier. That's why he's the King!
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Post by sachertorte on Mar 5, 2008 17:25:33 GMT -5
What's the deal with Santo Rugger? He's acting all scummy again.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 5, 2008 19:35:06 GMT -5
What's the deal with Santo Rugger? He's acting all scummy again. You know what I think it is, honestly? After you play a certain number of games in a row as scum, it get's really hard to stop playing like scum. I have the same problem, and I have noticed a similar tendancy in drainbead. You forget how to not try to sew chaos in the town.
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Post by Drain Bead on Mar 5, 2008 19:39:08 GMT -5
I've only played town twice. I don't even know how.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 6, 2008 0:48:31 GMT -5
-_-;
That's an interesting and quite sad theory, NAF.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 6, 2008 4:31:58 GMT -5
I've only played town twice. I don't even know how. Don't worry, I only get to play vanilla from the start, barring Pleonast's game, and most people think I am scummy anyway.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 6, 2008 11:04:28 GMT -5
You parsed (aka understood) my sentence correctly (sorry for the "aka", I just don't like using a big word when a small one will suffice ). I would just like to take this opportunity to point out to Rugger that parsed is in fact a much smaller word than understood, both in the number of letters and sylables. So when you get to this thread Pygmy .
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2008 11:53:44 GMT -5
I don't understand Pleonast's reasoning at all. The Town can win. First, they have to lynch a faction member toDay. That brings the count to Pleo + Santo + piratepete vs. nesta vs. (say) mhaye.
Now, toNight, they have to hope for no more than one kill (probably Pleo). ToMorrow morning, it's Santo + piratepete vs. nesta vs. mhaye.
Say they lynch nesta. Now it's Night. mhaye would be a fool to kill either Santo or piratepete, because it would ensure a town-scum draw the following Morning. mhaye will no-kill in such a spot, leaving three-handed Mafia the following Day.
Of course, a Town win depends on them getting three consecutive lynches right, and on them somehow avoiding more than one death toNight - but I don't think that's so impossible, all things considered. Pleo is making a huge mistake.
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Post by NAF1138 on Mar 6, 2008 11:58:32 GMT -5
Pleo is too smart to have missed that, story. My money is on this being a gambit to definitively out the last scum, thus giving town their only shot at correctly lynching 3 times in a row.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2008 12:06:49 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of that. But do you really think mhaye, nesta, or Cookies will fall for it?
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 6, 2008 13:09:15 GMT -5
You lost me here. Wouldn't Mhaye plus town be a win for Mhaye?
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 6, 2008 13:25:50 GMT -5
Great, Nesta is going to get lynched due to Pleo's apathy.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2008 13:34:35 GMT -5
You lost me here. Wouldn't Mhaye plus town be a win for Mhaye? Yes, and I am stupid for not realizing that. Well, then. Pleo's right, and the town cannot win.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 6, 2008 13:43:18 GMT -5
I'm just going to to on record and say this is the oddest endgame of a Mafia game I've ever witnessed.
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Post by RoOsh on Mar 6, 2008 13:48:24 GMT -5
I'd say it's the most Emo endgame of Mafia I've witnessed, the oddest one i've seen is the 2-Scum-1townie-draw, leading to a Scum victory that you had mentioned way back, Atarus, which occurred in black and white Chess Mafia on MafiaScum.
This is just the most apathetic and emo-tastic. I kinda love the idea of "Lets just give up and fuck over the Scum at least" and I kinda dislike the idea of Town settling for just that much. But right now, i'm more amused than annoyed- because how can you as Scum counter that? It's awesomely bad.
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Post by Hawkmod on Mar 6, 2008 13:59:52 GMT -5
I'm just going to to on record and say this is the oddest endgame of a Mafia game I've ever witnessed. It has nothing on You Solve it It isn't impossible for the town to win. They would need to be perfect and for both scum to target each other tonight. So lynching Nesta is exactly what they need to do, since I don't believe Cookies and Mhaye know that each other is scum.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Mar 6, 2008 14:12:10 GMT -5
It's a little curious that Cookies drummed up the bandwagon against nesta.. she targeted him last night, and given that Pleonast has all but declared himself the anti-Wei doc, she knows the fact that he wasn't killed means he's other scum. As far as I see it, sharing a victory with one other scum group isn't particularly better than sharing it with two (worse than winning outright, much better than losing)... lynching scum toDay means there's a possibility of losing the game. Lynching an unknown is much more likely to assure a pan-scum victory.
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 6, 2008 14:36:00 GMT -5
I'm just going to to on record and say this is the oddest endgame of a Mafia game I've ever witnessed. Clearly you haven't played enough mafia games. I knew that the likelihood of drawing was very, very high when I designed the game. I originally was going to be an enormous bastard and have the following win conditions: 1) A faction only has a 1-shot cross-kill immunity, and could only win by being the last faction standing AND having at least one Peasant alive. 2) A Peasant can win either as Town as a whole or individually with a faction by surviving to Endgame. 3) Power Roles can only win by eliminating all factions. ...but sachertorte talked me out of it, because this was effectively punishing the Town for lynching correctly.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 6, 2008 14:44:10 GMT -5
1) A faction only has a 1-shot cross-kill immunity I think this would have been a good rule to add into it as it would give the scum at least a shot of knocking off another scum. It would just take a little bit longer.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 6, 2008 15:35:57 GMT -5
I'm just going to to on record and say this is the oddest endgame of a Mafia game I've ever witnessed. It has nothing on You Solve it It isn't impossible for the town to win. They would need to be perfect and for both scum to target each other tonight. So lynching Nesta is exactly what they need to do, since I don't believe Cookies and Mhaye know that each other is scum. Except that's not what's going to happen. The Shu scum has no reason not to off Pleonast. The Wei scum can do whatever, because if the Shu targets Pleo and Pleo dies, the game is over for the town.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 6, 2008 15:36:20 GMT -5
Well that was slightly unexpected.
nesta confessing?
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Post by Death By Irony on Mar 6, 2008 16:43:32 GMT -5
Maybe he figures he's as good as lynched and he wants to take someone else with him?
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Post by sachertorte on Mar 6, 2008 16:52:56 GMT -5
It actually makes sense. I hadn't figured that Town facing a loss would play for a stalemate. Essentially, Town will say "Lynch me" and scum will say "Don't Lynch Me". By asking Town not to Lynch him, nesta is also playing for the stalemate, which is better than losing.
It's a weird artifact of the win conditions and the fact that Town can't win, yet the game continues.
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Post by sachertorte on Mar 6, 2008 17:06:26 GMT -5
Heh. That was a short day.
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