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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:21:14 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 30, 2008 21:21:14 GMT -5
So, uh, what gives FCoD? It seems to me that Darth was quite aware that an Exorcism is involved. I was referring to the first line of that quote. It seemed to me that he didn't realize the distinction between sprinkling holy water and exorcism. At any rate, I'm sick of re-stating my thoughts on the subject again and again and again. As several players have noted, I voted for the player that I found most suspicious for reasons that I have fully disclosed. I'm sick of people acting like I am trying to orchestrate a bandwagon. I never went around saying OMG OMG VOET HAL HE ARE IS SCUMZORZ!!!!111 All I did was state my thoughts as they came to me and place my vote accordingly. Not only that, but I've repeatedly brought up the fact that I may very well be wrong, and I've explored those scenarios as well. Call me illogical, call me wrong, but please don't call me scum. I say again, if I was scum, what would my motivation be? I'm not going to pursue a lynch of Hal any more toDay, because it's clearly futile. I firmly believe that not voting is REALLY bad, so I am going to have to find someone else to target. I'm going to go re-read and hopefully come up with something. Unvote Hal Briston.--FCOD
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May 30, 2008 21:24:19 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 30, 2008 21:24:19 GMT -5
I call it a sideways OMGUS because his/her vote against Hal bothers me. Why would we want to lynch someone who can potentially be converted to Town? I understand the angle of lynching for information, but I *hate* lynching purely for information. And I am motivated to vote bufftabby, because this caricature of FCoD's position, used as a primary foundation for a vote - and a vote for a player who, current count aside, is in a precarious position in his current role as acting prosecutor in the Case of the People v. Hal Briston - is disingenuous. At best. More from bufftabby: FCoD's a girl, and she's very sensitive on the subject. Be careful. Nothing much to say about the above except that since bufftaby clearly read FCoD's posts, she can't argue that she somehow missed all the times that he has explained his motivation beyond "lynching for information." This simply makes no sense. buff castigates FCoD for "not considering that Hal might be on the side of the good," but that criticism could be applied to anyone who votes. Ever. I mean, on the basis of the above, could I fairly say that "bufftabby has a hard-on for voting FCoD?" Or is FCoD's vote for Hal supposed to be more suspcious because he's continued to back it up? Post history of bufftabby will be forthcoming, though it might take some time. You're right; I've got a throbber for lynching FCOD. Look at how I've been going on and on about it. Hmm, wait, no, I don't believe I have. While FCOD has justified his votes, I still don't think the justifications are, well, *justified*. I understand that a difference of opinion does not a scum make, but it's enough of a difference in opinion for me to place a Day One vote on FCoD.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:40:46 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on May 30, 2008 21:40:46 GMT -5
Alright, here it goes, and explanation follows: Vote hockeyguy8435.Explanation: First off, when he voted for stardragonman earlier, on the reasoning that (paraphrased) “ star’s never posted”, my immediate thought was something along the lines of “Wait a sec, didn’t he just post a couple pages ago apologizing for not posting. Because someone forgot to tell him the game started.” And he had, ( see here), which made me wonder if hockeyguy’s not reading before voting (sure, we’re all gonna miss stuff, but make sure you know what you’re talking about before you make a vote based on it!). (On that note: Did stardragonman really not get told the game had started?) Second off, I quoted a post from hockeyguy yesterday ( this one) and pointed out if his theory was correct, it basically accused Hal and Darth of lying. I asked him straight out if he thought they were lying. He’s posted since then and not answered. On top of that, this particular post was made smack in the middle of the “Do we believe Hal is possessed” discussion. Combine that with the “First off” point and it made me feel strongly that hockeyguy was not following the Day's discussion. So I read his posts. In post #148, hockeyguy said this: And this seems like you're basically saying you're possessed. When I came across that, my head exploded. Despite my earlier impression that hockeyguy was completely oblivious to the “Is Hal possessed” discussion, he wasn’t. He got it. Then why, when he later says “what if, once a demon decides to possess someone, said player doesn't know they're possessed”, did he not follow even attempt to tie that analysis into the discussion, instead of just letting the comment sit there like a lump? It gave me a new impression: that he might be trying to smudge Hal and Darth without strongly tying any suspicion against them to himself. And then, when he posted later, he didn't address, or even acknowledge, a direct query on the matter. Now, let’s see if I coded this all correctly. Just in case I didn't: First link: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=stuff&action=display&thread=353&page=9#24522Second link: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=stuff&action=display&thread=353&page=7#24459You put the finger on it. It doesn't seem that hockeyguy is paying attention. Skimming is usually a scumtell. I'm torn on my re-read on who to vote for: hockeyguy, bufftabby, or FCOD. I've never played with 2 of them and it's been a while since I've been in a game with FCOD, and it's been hard to get a read. I will vote before the deadline, for one of these three. (Unless compelling evidence for someone else comes to light.)
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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:42:14 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 30, 2008 21:42:14 GMT -5
Wait - what? Bufftabby, that gets a big "nuh-uh".
Vote a player if you think they're scum. Vote a player if you think we get a huge info dump. Don't vote just because you disagree. I dunno how I feel about alot of the rest of the votes for you, but this looks like scum cover.
Unvote Czech Vote Bufftabby
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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:51:01 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 30, 2008 21:51:01 GMT -5
Well, this is obviously going to seem like OMGUS, but I do feel like I have a valid reason. Vote bufftabby. Here's the post in which she votes for me: I'd like to get a vote on the record. Honestly, it's verging on a sideways OMGUS, but that's the best I've got at this point. vote FlyingCowofDoom[/b] I call it a sideways OMGUS because his/her vote against Hal bothers me. Why would we want to lynch someone who can potentially be converted to Town? I understand the angle of lynching for information, but I *hate* lynching purely for information. Another factor, still related to his vote on Hal, is the running commentary s/he's provided on the subject, including the following:"Also, Hal seems to making it clear that he knows more than the rest of us...it makes me suspicious..." "Well, my DemonometerTM is going off like crazy... Obviously we have three players that know something the rest of us don't...what should we do about it? I tend to think that any group that knows something I don't is bad, but then again they may be some sort of Mason group. My head hurts ." "I'd like to point out another possibility, misterblockey: Hal is possessed by a demon, and if we lynch him the demon moves to a different town player. We may or may not be aware of this move. Hal might even show up as vanilla town. I think it'd be worth the risk of another possession to lynch him. If he turns up town, we could reasonably assume that he was possessed and that the demon has now moved. We may have lost a townie, but we'll have gained valuable information." "I really really don't think Hal is telling the truth." These posts just rub me the wrong way, becaause there is no potential belief of Hal in there. I am by no means convinced that Hal isn't up to no good, but I'm certainly willing to entertain the possibility that he is. It bothers me that FCOD seems to have such a hard-on for voting Hal, and so that's where my vote is going.[/quote]Basically, her reasons are that she thinks I want to lynch Hal purely for information (which she hates) and that my commentary "rubs her the wrong way." She claims that there is "no potential belief in Hal there," yet I have put forth the possibility that I am wrong many times. She also says that I have "a hard-on for voting Hal, when I've said many times that I don't, I just found hm the most suspicious of all the players on Day One. Then, she says this: You're right; I've got a throbber for lynching FCOD. Look at how I've been going on and on about it. Hmm, wait, no, I don't believe I have. While FCOD has justified his votes, I still don't think the justifications are, well, *justified*. I understand that a difference of opinion does not a scum make, but it's enough of a difference in opinion for me to place a Day One vote on FCoD. Ok, so you admit that I've justified my position, you just don't agree with me, so you want to lynch me for a difference of opinion. I get that the majority of people don't think my logic is sound. That's fine, I can deal with that. bufftabby seems to be trying to twist that into scummy behavior, and that's why I'm voting for her. I didn't read anything in her posts that pointed out anything I did that was actually scummy, just things I did that she didn't agree with. A classic scum move is trying to turn something a town player said that might be considered scummy into something scummy, and that's what I think is going on here. --FCOD
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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:51:27 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on May 30, 2008 21:51:27 GMT -5
unvote Blaster Master Where is he anyway? vote HockeyGuy
I agree with most of Kat's analysis. I'm always leary of when a player says a certain action thing is lynch worthy, while completely ignoring others who have done said action. Hockey voted for a lurker, while at the time, being one of our lowest contributers. It seemed like an easy vote, one that Hockey wouldn't have to justify later. At any rate, it is a better case than mine against blaster's or the ones against Buffy/Kid
I still don't like Star's justification for his vote, but that doesn't mean he isn't right.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 21:51:48 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 30, 2008 21:51:48 GMT -5
Wait - what? Bufftabby, that gets a big "nuh-uh". Vote a player if you think they're scum. Vote a player if you think we get a huge info dump. Don't vote just because you disagree. I dunno how I feel about alot of the rest of the votes for you, but this looks like scum cover. Unvote Czech Vote Bufftabby Hmm...it sounds like you are voting for me because you disagree with my opinion. Sorry my post wasn't detailed enough, but I have definitely put forth other reasons before regarding my vote on FCOD. I found his reasons for voting suspect; I don't simply disagree with them. But I do think your vote on me seems more like some townie-on townie violence, but I supose we'll see. So, damn, looks like I've got a ton of votes on me. I guess it's about that time: would y'all like to look for my breadcrumb, and maybe keep some information from scum, or would y'all like me to just go ahead and claim my Townie role? I'm confirmable, but at the expense of giving the scum more info. Your choice, lads and ladies.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:04:54 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 30, 2008 22:04:54 GMT -5
So, damn, looks like I've got a ton of votes on me. I guess it's about that time: would y'all like to look for my breadcrumb, and maybe keep some information from scum, or would y'all like me to just go ahead and claim my Townie role? I'm confirmable, but at the expense of giving the scum more info. Your choice, lads and ladies. No, I voted for you because I think I see scum. And no, I for one am not going to go looking for a crumb. I already said I don't like softclaims, and I really don't like them once you've got a noose around your neck. I'll tell you what I told Ryjae - You've already said you've got a role, that makes you a target. You've got nothing more to lose by withholding info now, and you're hurting town by denying us the chance to debate your claim.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:14:14 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 30, 2008 22:14:14 GMT -5
So, damn, looks like I've got a ton of votes on me. I guess it's about that time: would y'all like to look for my breadcrumb, and maybe keep some information from scum, or would y'all like me to just go ahead and claim my Townie role? I'm confirmable, but at the expense of giving the scum more info. Your choice, lads and ladies. No, I voted for you because I think I see scum. And no, I for one am not going to go looking for a crumb. I already said I don't like softclaims, and I really don't like them once you've got a noose around your neck. I'll tell you what I told Ryjae - You've already said you've got a role, that makes you a target. You've got nothing more to lose by withholding info now, and you're hurting town by denying us the chance to debate your claim. Yeah, I don't think I'm really hurting Town. It's been about 20 minutes since I asked th Town what they would prefer. I'm glad I've got your opinion on the subject, but I think I'm gonna give a half hour or so to try to make sure I'm doing what the Town would generally prefer.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:15:21 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on May 30, 2008 22:15:21 GMT -5
buff, now that you've claimed a power there's no point in holding further information back. And if you've left a breadcrumb, believe me, any scum would be able to find it.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:31:14 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 30, 2008 22:31:14 GMT -5
Well, there seems to be no opposition, so here's my lil crumb o'pumpernickel: "...Make Accommodations Solely On Niceness" (caps added for clarity)
But I wouldn't say I'm exactly what you would consider a vanilla mason. I'm Town all the way, no D1&2mons here, but with a spicy kick. It's gonna lose its spicy kick a little bit if another Mason has to confirm me.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:33:11 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 30, 2008 22:33:11 GMT -5
Well I went through everyones posts and still cannot find a great reason to lynch anyone. But Kat made a persuasive case against hockeyguys posting and voting patterns which I looked at following her post.
If you're not paying attention to the game, you're not going to be able to help town even if you're town. Getting a vote in now, while it is subject to change.
And bufftabby you've already said to much if you're not willing to claim. I only hope you have thought it over before soft claiming. Before I did I weighed the pros and cons heavily in my head. And the pro's for my specific role outweighed the cons by a lot.
And on with the vote:
vote hockeyguy
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:41:22 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 30, 2008 22:41:22 GMT -5
Alright, here it goes, and explanation follows: Vote hockeyguy8435.Explanation: First off, when he voted for stardragonman earlier, on the reasoning that (paraphrased) “ star’s never posted”, my immediate thought was something along the lines of “Wait a sec, didn’t he just post a couple pages ago apologizing for not posting. Because someone forgot to tell him the game started.” And he had, ( see here), which made me wonder if hockeyguy’s not reading before voting (sure, we’re all gonna miss stuff, but make sure you know what you’re talking about before you make a vote based on it!). Yes, I missed his post, my mistake, but like I also said in my reasoning, he's not posting anything of use to the game, and he also came out and posted as soon as I posted my vote, which proves he is looking at the board, just not posting useful information, or anything at all. I also missed your question of me, sorry, but why wait until now to bring it up? You've posted a few times since you asked me, why not ask me to answer you question then? I would've gone back and checked, and will do so now in my next post. In addition, my post about Hal admitting to being possessed was an observation. What I posted was a theory on how being possessed 'might' work. I never assumed it was strictly that, so when I say Hal's post where he said he needed help, I felt like he was basically saying he was possessed. Which, yes, contradicted a theory on how I though the stuff might work, but I never stated as fact.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:46:08 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 30, 2008 22:46:08 GMT -5
I haven't been skimming. I've been reading as much as possible when I've had time. I'm not up to speed as much as I'd like, but I'm trying. I can see where it can come off as skimming though. I did miss some posts, but it's not intentional. There's just so many new posts every time I come online that it's hard to keep up, but I try and re-read posts, like I'm going to do in a second.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:50:36 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 30, 2008 22:50:36 GMT -5
I've been thinking today about possessing of townies. And this crossed my mind, what if, once a demon decides to possess someone, said player doesn't know they're possessed. If you think about movies or anything that have demons possessing a host, the host is never aware they're possessed. Maybe this is how atarus keeps the possessed from alerting the townies? Only problem I thought of with that is while possessed a player, in theory, wouldn't have control of their own body. So any roles they have wouldn't take effect, etc. But what about votes? Would the demon be able to change they're vote to whatever, and wouldn't that then reveal they were possessed? Well, if this is the case, then Hal and Darth are both lying. Do you think they’re lying? If so, please discuss further. Sorry I missed this. Anyways I'll answer now. No, I'm not accusing either of lying at all. I was just making note of a possible theory that might be in play. That was all. I mentioned it to try and raise some talk about "what if players don't know if they're possessed." Hal later made a post basically saying he was possessed, assuming he did tell the truth. We have no way of knowing if he is or isn't.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:53:11 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 30, 2008 22:53:11 GMT -5
Well I went through everyones posts and still cannot find a great reason to lynch anyone. But Kat made a persuasive case against hockeyguys posting and voting patterns which I looked at following her post. If you're not paying attention to the game, you're not going to be able to help town even if you're town. Getting a vote in now, while it is subject to change. I've been paying attention. I've made a few posts about my thoughts on the possessing ability of the demons. I posted a theory, as well as comments about things other players have said. My activity if in no way on par with some of the players in this game, but I've been giving it my all when I've had time to give the game. I work almost every night, tonight included, but almost every time I come on the computer I check this board first.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 22:58:41 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 30, 2008 22:58:41 GMT -5
I've been paying attention. I've made a few posts about my thoughts on the possessing ability of the demons. I posted a theory, as well as comments about things other players have said. My activity if in no way on par with some of the players in this game, but I've been giving it my all when I've had time to give the game. I work almost every night, tonight included, but almost every time I come on the computer I check this board first. Nothing personal hockeyguy its day 1 and my vote is subject to change. I understand completely about work, life etc it wasn't so much the quantity of your posts that I was referring to. And I'll say this again, I still cannot find a great reason to lynch anyone.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:00:04 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 30, 2008 23:00:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I know it's nothing personal, I was just explaining why I haven't been here as much as I'd have liked.
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May 30, 2008 23:17:27 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 30, 2008 23:17:27 GMT -5
Yes, you're absolutely right, I just read the rules <_<. ;_; Just sadness there, mostly at the fact that it was said around 24 hours before the end of the day.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:18:17 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 30, 2008 23:18:17 GMT -5
Yes, you're absolutely right, I just read the rules <_<. ;_; Just sadness there, mostly at the fact that it was said around 24 hours before the end of the day. There are rules? ;D
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May 30, 2008 23:18:38 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 30, 2008 23:18:38 GMT -5
Apparently!
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:33:38 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 30, 2008 23:33:38 GMT -5
Unofficial Vote Count as of Midnight or so
Stardragonman 2 : Darth, hockeyguy FCOD 2 : Bufftabby, Rysto MrBlocky 2 : NAF, Nanook Czech 2 : Roosh, MrBlocky Bufftabby 6 : storyteller, TDpatssuck, GreedySmurf, Hal Briston, KidVermicious, FCoD Hockeyguy 4 : stardragonman, Kat, HawkeyeOp, Ryjae
7 Yet to Vote Not Voted: BlaM, Czech, Hockeymonkey, Kison, Mhaye (promised a vote), Rebel, Tragic 25 total votes there.
I think that's it, I might have messed up but if I did, hey I'm not the Mod, don't blame me. But I think that's where we're at in this state of the game.
Meanwhile, I've got thoughts to come.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:35:03 GMT -5
Post by Tragic on May 30, 2008 23:35:03 GMT -5
/me sighs
My world came crashing down on me today.. the whole mantra of when it rains it pours. Hopefully I'll have some clear skies after tomorrow where I can sort through this mess of responsibility that dropped in my lap (hello, it's summer! ugh).
In the meantime.. I've gotten more of a handle on the situation (thanks ryjae for the pointer to that post) and for now I'm not that comfortable voting for Hal. In reviewing the arguements and the posts of today (2 pages, thanks guys) I do have a few things to contribute and a vote to supply.. and then I'll likely disappear until Sunday.
- I think the whole thing with stardragonman and hockeyguy likely stems from the fact that they know each other outside of the game and it's probably an easy vote to cast if you're otherwise lost, overwhelmed or trying to kick the other's butt into gear. That's not to say that their actions, discussions and what not are excusable but I'm shedding what light I have on the situation.
Vote bufftabby
What pinged me as 'off' was her voting FCOD based on a difference of opinions. That's just one of the more recent pings considering that she's been involved in several 'arguements' and 'disagreements' where there's been a feeling that she's been trying to smudge another's reputation. Just feeling a little.. warry at the moment.
[oog] and I need to figure out why the hell Firefox won't post to this bloody board, ugh.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:38:24 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 30, 2008 23:38:24 GMT -5
<sigh>
unvote bufftabby
Incidentally, if there are any Masons who can dispute buff's claim, it would be very strongly to our advantage for you to do so. Trading the life of a demon for the identity - or even the life - of a single Mason is generally a good trade. On the other hand, I definitely don't think anyone needs to claim to confirm; I am comfortable provisionally accepting buff's claim in the absence of a counter.
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May 30, 2008 23:39:27 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 30, 2008 23:39:27 GMT -5
Tragic, just for the record, are you aware that you are voting for an uncounterclaimed Mason?
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May 30, 2008 23:40:25 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on May 30, 2008 23:40:25 GMT -5
I also missed your question of me, sorry, but why wait until now to bring it up? You've posted a few times since you asked me, why not ask me to answer you question then? I would've gone back and checked, and will do so now in my next post.[/QUOTE} I have? Really? Wait, let me check. I asked you the question in post#246. Your next post was post#299, in which you did not answer the question. My next post was #324, the one you quoted above, in which I pointed out you hadn't answered my question. Was I supposed to keep re-posting the question until you answered, even though I didn't know whether you were online until you'd made that post? In addition, my post about Hal admitting to being possessed was an observation. What I posted was a theory on how being possessed 'might' work. I never assumed it was strictly that, so when I say Hal's post where he said he needed help, I felt like he was basically saying he was possessed. Which, yes, contradicted a theory on how I though the stuff might work, but I never stated as fact. No, I'm not accusing either of lying at all. I was just making note of a possible theory that might be in play. That was all. I mentioned it to try and raise some talk about "what if players don't know if they're possessed." Hal later made a post basically saying he was possessed, assuming he did tell the truth. We have no way of knowing if he is or isn't. This explanation doesn't make sense based on the timeline of actual posts: Post#148: You say to Hal "And this seems like you're basically saying you're possessed." Post #202: You suggest that possessed players might not know they're possessed. So, (1) Hal posted his hints that he was possessed, and you picked up on them, before (2) you speculated that the Possessed might not know they're Possessed. I never said you claimed Hal was lying. I never said you claimed your theory was fact. I do find it funny that you didn't include any comments about (1) when you posted (2), since the two possibilities are directly opposed. When someone posts contradictory theories without an explanation or acknowledgement of the difference and relationship between them, it raised my suspicions.
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:44:09 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 30, 2008 23:44:09 GMT -5
/me sighs My world came crashing down on me today.. the whole mantra of when it rains it pours. Hopefully I'll have some clear skies after tomorrow where I can sort through this mess of responsibility that dropped in my lap (hello, it's summer! ugh). In the meantime.. I've gotten more of a handle on the situation (thanks ryjae for the pointer to that post) and for now I'm not that comfortable voting for Hal. In reviewing the arguements and the posts of today (2 pages, thanks guys) I do have a few things to contribute and a vote to supply.. and then I'll likely disappear until Sunday. - I think the whole thing with stardragonman and hockeyguy likely stems from the fact that they know each other outside of the game and it's probably an easy vote to cast if you're otherwise lost, overwhelmed or trying to kick the other's butt into gear. That's not to say that their actions, discussions and what not are excusable but I'm shedding what light I have on the situation. Vote bufftabby What pinged me as 'off' was her voting FCOD based on a difference of opinions. That's just one of the more recent pings considering that she's been involved in several 'arguements' and 'disagreements' where there's been a feeling that she's been trying to smudge another's reputation. Just feeling a little.. warry at the moment. [oog] and I need to figure out why the hell Firefox won't post to this bloody board, ugh.[oog]Sorry things are poopy with you. Summer is for happytime![/oog] I hope you saw where I clarified that I wasn't voting for FCoD based just on a difference in opinion, reasons I also stated when I cast my vote. Oh, yeah, and that I'm a confirmable Mason with a little more power than meets the eye?
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Day One
May 30, 2008 23:45:33 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on May 30, 2008 23:45:33 GMT -5
Er...can a Mod-type Person fix my quoty-thingy?
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May 30, 2008 23:57:53 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on May 30, 2008 23:57:53 GMT -5
This explanation doesn't make sense based on the timeline of actual posts: Post#148: You say to Hal "And this seems like you're basically saying you're possessed." Post #202: You suggest that possessed players might not know they're possessed. So, (1) Hal posted his hints that he was possessed, and you picked up on them, before (2) you speculated that the Possessed might not know they're Possessed. I never said you claimed Hal was lying. I never said you claimed your theory was fact. I do find it funny that you didn't include any comments about (1) when you posted (2), since the two possibilities are directly opposed. When someone posts contradictory theories without an explanation or acknowledgement of the difference and relationship between them, it raised my suspicions. Wow, just wow, I'm glad you showed that. Ummm, at the risk of sounding me too, that's, well that's some actual evidence. Very nice catch Kat. Unvote Czech Vote hockeyguy8435 To clarify I find Kat's argument very compelling, it's late, I have no time to hunt, but even if I did I don't think you'd really need to add to it. I still have a FOS on Czech though.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 0:11:53 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 31, 2008 0:11:53 GMT -5
My thoughts on Bufftabby and today(oh Joy):This player to me is like Dotchan. She ALWAYS comes off as scummy to me (Snuggles anyone?- I saw what you said to Mhaye- a Mafia poet - ). Here's the thing though, "Perfect lynches" are rare- this is something that Atarus was pointing out in the Cecilvania game, and it's a valid point. Whenever I see a player get votes from EVERYONE it seems [without them REALLY REALLY warranting it: being an arsehole or dropping a scum slip] without opposition, I start to wonder- because that means the Scum aren't worried. IE: That player is probably not scummy. So if you get a case of 8 players voting for someone, and NO one else really close (maybe a bunch of 1-off voters, or maybe a guy with 2 votes) that to me implies that the scum probably are in favor of such a lynch, and you're probably not hitting scum. Here's the thing now. WE DON'T have a perfect lynch toDay. Partly because it's Day 1, but also because there's lots of info to deal with, so I feel okay about that. But here's the thing: this was the closest vote count i could find to about 24 hours ago: Vote CountCzech (2): Roosh, KidVermicious Stardragonman (1): Darth Sensitive Hal Briston (1): FlyingCowofDoom FlyingCowofDoom (1): bufftabby KidVermicious (1): misterblockey misterblockey (1): NAF1138 Not Voting: (18) Buffy and Hockey just sorta exploded onto the Scene. Which REALLY kinda worries me, it's partly the consequence of having EIGHTFUCKIN'TEEN Non-Voters that day, but STILL. Jesus. Stardragonman 2 : Darth, hockeyguy FCOD 2 : Bufftabby, Rysto MrBlocky 2 : NAF, Nanook Czech 2 : Roosh, MrBlocky Bufftabby 6 : storyteller, TDpatssuck, GreedySmurf, Hal Briston, KidVermicious, FCoDHockeyguy 4 : stardragonman, Kat, HawkeyeOp, Ryjae 7 Yet to VoteNot Voted: BlaM, Czech, Hockeymonkey, Kison, Mhaye (promised a vote), Rebel, Tragic (who on preview voted for Buffy) 25 total votes there. *I bolded the movers.* I don't really have anything yet with this Data, but I want it around just in case I'm not around tommorrow- someone needs to be keeping track of this stuff ( Hal- you on that?) But anyways, so now we've got new suspects for today- Hockeyguy, and Bufftabby, and one's felt the need to claim Mason at this point. My thoughts on Hockeyguy: I admit, I know him and Stardragonman, and I know they both know each other and Tragic a bit as well. I probably know the 3 of them together the least, but who knows. But still, I do kinda have to agree with Tragic above- They're idiot newbies in my book. They could be idiot scum or idiot townies, but still. Neither of them really has played ANY mafia and just watching them so far has been a farce. I really am more suspicious of Hockeyguy than SDM, because of the case Kat pointed out- he's been WAY more active and so his missing of SDM's post is really quite egregious. However, I don't really see the 2nd half of the argument vs. him as bad (the missed question), I've done that plenty of times as well, and usually its nice to have someone bring up the question again or something rather than just tie it to a vote. But i do agree on the first part- His voting of SDM was TERRIBLE. It felt basically like picking on a newbie, and i know you both have played together- but PLEASE Don't bring grudges from old games past into THIS ONE. PLEASE Both of you- StarDragonMan and HockeyGuy. If you have a case vs. him please state it, HockeyGuy. SDM- Your vote was basically an OMGUS. If you have more statements to add before the Day ends, it'd be nice as well. But both of you need to shape up on Day 2 if you're around. As for Buffy- I'm paranoid mostly because you're claiming Mason, and I don't like the crumb- simply typing out MASON in capitals? Really? And then the soft threat of "Believe or it's gonna suck if I have to have another person confirm...." I'm just paranoid, but fine. I really dislike that Claim. Just saying that for the future, but its damn near suicidal for a scum to claim Mason in games *unless there are no masons, but that's another risky thought that I'm not willing to take. So fine. Go ahead, and live another day, but I've got an eye on you now, as that's a TERRIBLE Breadcrumb. :grumble grumble: But you don't get my Vote Switch toDay. Part Two: The Aftermath of Buffy:But I'm curious to see now how the votes fall. You're going to get a mass unvote most likely by tomorrow, and am curious to see where your votes will go. Especially because if you're not lying then it's likely there's scum somewhere on your wagon. In the meantime though, I'm content with keeping my vote on my first Suspicious person: Czech. You said you've played in a few games, so you're not a complete Newbie, but you're new to these styles of games. That's fine. But I still believe your play was bad, and it was suspicious to me how you didn't really check over the whole FCoD discussion but just agreed with him. I guess a similar statement could be said over Hockeyguy, Buffy, and stardragonman. Of those three, I know Buffy isn't a newbie to OUR types of games, but she's claimed Mason now, while HG and SDM are newbies to this sort of style as well. But I will FOS all 4 of them for what they've been doing. As their play has been detrimental and totally not cool in terms of analysis and thinking. Of those, I would rank in experience Buffy at the top followed by Czech- that's why I'll be keeping my vote on you, as I do think you do know better at voter accountability. I will see how the votes fall tomorrow though with great interest. As I def. think there's gotta be scum somewhere on those two lynches. It's just a matter of time before we find them. And You Non-Voters- don't think you get a free pass- scum come in layers- there's most likely a high volume poster, a middle of the road scum, and as always the ever popular Day 1 lurker scum.... I've got my eye on all of you. ( ) We'll see what tomorrow brings....
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