|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:15:34 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 12:15:34 GMT -5
When hockeyguy says "and this basically sounds like you're saying you're possessed" or words to that effect, it sounds to me like he's reacting to the way Hal is claiming, not the claim itself. Taking HG's comment in context with his concern over what Hal is allowed to say, I would parse his statement as "you just said you can't claim possession, but this sounds like you're claiming possession", as opposed to doubt over the claim itself. I think at that point he's confused about the restrictions that Hal claims to be operating under, not confused or misdirecting re: the possession itself. This is exactly what I meant when I said that. At the start when all this stuff about possession was brought up, I had no idea what was going on. I've never been in a game like this, and since it was moving so fast I got very confused.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:17:44 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 12:17:44 GMT -5
I could vote for Hockeyguy; the trouble is that his defence problems may be caused by honest new-guy confusion. This is the primary reason why I'm still holding back my vote for Hockeyguy. I am leaning toward voting for him, because his defense against Kat is fairly lame. If he could pop back in and explain himself a little more lucidly, then maybe I'll sort through the posts again before the deadline (ugh). If he doesn't, then he's getting my vote. If you have anything you want to ask me, please do. I'd love to answer any and all questions. I work in three hours though, so I'll be gone from then until Night. This may be my last chance to talk to you about anything you have issues with. So please, ask me now. And my vote for the record Tragic[/color]. She voted for a claimed role, which is a huge mistake.
|
|
RoOsh
FGM
Former BatMod
[on:Wanna see a magic trick?][of:See You, Space Cowboy....]
Posts: 284
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:19:01 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 31, 2008 12:19:01 GMT -5
I don't have much time today to post as I'm out with the family, but I have this one thing that woke me up last night (I was sleeping and then at like 5am i shot up out of bed with this thought, and debated posting right then and there):
Buffy- is there ANY WAY we can TRUST That you win with the Town? ARE YOU GOOD MASONS (Townie through and through)? Or Do you have a separate win condition? Do you know all your members are Town as well, and you can prove that their town as well? I know FULL WELL what happens if you just try to assume these things are true, and I do NOT want to be the one caught with my pants down by separate winning Masons, not after I created that whole shtick.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:19:03 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 12:19:03 GMT -5
Vote: Tragic[/color]
In case I need to say it that way.
|
|
RoOsh
FGM
Former BatMod
[on:Wanna see a magic trick?][of:See You, Space Cowboy....]
Posts: 284
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:21:04 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on May 31, 2008 12:21:04 GMT -5
If you have anything you want to ask me, please do. I'd love to answer any and all questions. Do you have a claimable Role? If you're leaving in 3 hours, it'd be best to let us know if you're a power role or something like that, so we can have some time to mull this stuff over. As I think you're in the lead to be lynched by a far margin. Are you going to claim anything?
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 12:22:36 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 12:22:36 GMT -5
Nothing to claim, except that of a vanilla townie.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 13:03:44 GMT -5
Post by Czech on May 31, 2008 13:03:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this idea of contradictory theories was brought up as I only ever offered the one theory about possessed players not knowing they're possessed. So, in post 148, when you say: That'd be ok with me...I have time. Not an unlimited amount, but time. And this seems like you're basically saying you're possessed. Were you telling Hal that you didn't believe that he was possessed? You say that you only ever offered the one theory about possessed players being in the dark about their possession, but post 148 seems to contradict this.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 13:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on May 31, 2008 13:50:30 GMT -5
Quick catch-up time...I'm busily ticking off my family by reading the board while we're visiting the in-laws. First off, Unvote BufftabbyNow, I'm very tempted to vote for hockeyguy based on Kat's catch. However, he's offered up at least a somewhat plausible explanation. I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn up on either side. One thing that really jumped out at me though was this post: I think Hal had a choice - fly a flag and try to get exorcised, or keep quiet and play as a vanilla EE. I think he's chosen the former. Ummm...didn't you just finish telling everyone that my playstyle is to go for the win with as small a group as possible? If that were the case, then why would I make the choice you note above? That contradiction is pinging me hard... Vote mhaye
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 13:57:04 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 31, 2008 13:57:04 GMT -5
I agree the breadcrumb sucked, but other breadcrumbs have been missed. Curiosity question: did you read my explanation of how the crumb was not meant to be found except by a mason, and that it was for the mason's use in case I died? I shouldn't have said a word about it when I claimed, but that's what sucks, not the crumb itself, IMO. Just sayin.
|
|
Merestil Haye
FGM
Grudge Keeper
[on:Slumming it in the Middle-Earth][of:In the halls of Manw
Posts: 1,077
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:11:05 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 31, 2008 14:11:05 GMT -5
One thing that really jumped out at me though was this post: I think Hal had a choice - fly a flag and try to get exorcised, or keep quiet and play as a vanilla EE. I think he's chosen the former. Ummm...didn't you just finish telling everyone that my playstyle is to go for the win with as small a group as possible? If that were the case, then why would I make the choice you note above? That contradiction is pinging me hard... Vote mhayeClarification time. Your style is to play to win these games, legally. Yes? In M3 your choice was between pursuing a win with the Town, or a Mason-only win but with the Town as a fallback position. (and, iirc, you did in fact win with the Town.) Here, I don't think you have quite the same choice. You have what seem (to me anyway) two mutually contradictory possibilities; play for an EE victory or a Survivor victory. You can't play for both. In that case, I think your style would be to look at your choices, decide your goal 1, pick the choice which gives you a better shot at that goal, and go for it. And in this game, you appear to be trying to get exorcised. Or so it seems to me. 1Which may be something other than winning.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:18:15 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 14:18:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this idea of contradictory theories was brought up as I only ever offered the one theory about possessed players not knowing they're possessed. So, in post 148, when you say: And this seems like you're basically saying you're possessed. Were you telling Hal that you didn't believe that he was possessed? You say that you only ever offered the one theory about possessed players being in the dark about their possession, but post 148 seems to contradict this. No, I was pointing out that he was basically saying he was possessed after everyone was saying that atarus would make it so someone couldn't just simply say they were possessed. I was pointing out that if atarus had done that, why did it seemed like Hal was basically admitting it outright.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:21:24 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 31, 2008 14:21:24 GMT -5
I don't have much time today to post as I'm out with the family, but I have this one thing that woke me up last night (I was sleeping and then at like 5am i shot up out of bed with this thought, and debated posting right then and there): Buffy- is there ANY WAY we can TRUST That you win with the Town? ARE YOU GOOD MASONS (Townie through and through)? Or Do you have a separate win condition? Do you know all your members are Town as well, and you can prove that their town as well? I know FULL WELL what happens if you just try to assume these things are true, and I do NOT want to be the one caught with my pants down by separate winning Masons, not after I created that whole shtick. We have no separate win condition, and we win with the Town. Like the rest of the Town, I don't know what could happen with the D2mons and the potential for possession. You asked a really good question; I had to go back to my pm and make sure that all Masons begin as absolute Town, and we do.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:32:23 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 31, 2008 14:32:23 GMT -5
Quickly, while I eat lunch... I'm on Tragic for lurking after being called out for lurking, same as my original vote, and I think she's scummier than Hockeyguy, who at least is on the radar, doing his best to cooperate and defend (I think he's just over his head... we'll see). She's way under the radar, posting just enough to be seen. For this reason, I'd prefer a Tragic lynch today, but I don't have time to crusade for Hockeyguy, sorry man... Mhaye has really taken charge in the last part of the day. I don't know him well enough to evaluate this, the rest of you do. I'm still confused about about the "as long as the person wasn't dead" bit in the possession color, and I think it's worth thinking more about Kat's suggestion that power roles may only have percentage chances of completing some actions, Tomorrow. There just wasn't time to come back to those today, not and try to keep my post count under 100 . Probably won't be back before Tonight. Please send prayers to the god of Saturns and shade tree mechanics for me.
|
|
Hockey Monkey!
Borogrove
This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker over who killed who.
Posts: 371
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:37:57 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on May 31, 2008 14:37:57 GMT -5
Quickly, while I eat lunch... I'm on Tragic for lurking after being called out for lurking, same as my original vote, and I think she's scummier than Hockeyguy, who at least is on the radar, doing his best to cooperate and defend (I think he's just over his head... we'll see). She's way under the radar, posting just enough to be seen. For this reason, I'd prefer a Tragic lynch today, but I don't have time to crusade for Hockeyguy, sorry man... Mhaye has really taken charge in the last part of the day. I don't know him well enough to evaluate this, the rest of you do. I'm still confused about about the "as long as the person wasn't dead" bit in the possession color, and I think it's worth thinking more about Kat's suggestion that power roles may only have percentage chances of completing some actions, Tomorrow. There just wasn't time to come back to those today, not and try to keep my post count under 100 . Probably won't be back before Tonight. Please send prayers to the god of Saturns and shade tree mechanics for me. I have a direct line to the Saturn gods, so I'll send one up for you.
|
|
Hockey Monkey!
Borogrove
This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker over who killed who.
Posts: 371
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 14:39:23 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on May 31, 2008 14:39:23 GMT -5
Oh, and Mhaye's usual MO is to wait till the end of the day.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 15:05:38 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on May 31, 2008 15:05:38 GMT -5
Well, I'm off for work now, and won't be back until after the voting deadline has passed. It appears as if I'm going at the moment, and if it holds up, good game, and I had fun for the few days I was alive. I hope to see you all again in the next Day, but it's out of my hands now. I've put up the best defense I could with the time I had allowed.
|
|
Merestil Haye
FGM
Grudge Keeper
[on:Slumming it in the Middle-Earth][of:In the halls of Manw
Posts: 1,077
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 15:06:11 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 31, 2008 15:06:11 GMT -5
Oh, and Mhaye's usual MO is to wait till the end of the day. You remember! I didn't pick my personal text at random, you know. Now, having dealt with pressing non-Mafia issues (food, Doctor Who, chatting to Yattara) it's time to try and find those posts of misterblockey's that i wanted to read. In order to avoid having the deadline sneak past while I'm reading: - Vote Hockeyguy. I'm sorry, I don't find the defences he's put up at all "on point." Nothing addresses why he completely ignored his own statement.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 15:29:46 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on May 31, 2008 15:29:46 GMT -5
First off, unvote butttabby. Once again I'm left with choices I'm unhappy with to end the day. Tragic's play has been pretty hard to defend up till this point, and if I could vote twice, I definitely would. vote hockeyguy[/color] But not for the dustup over this Hal confusion, not really. No, this is what got me: Suffice to say, I don't have any real suspects. Some people have 'pinged' me more than others, like Czech, MisterBlockey, FCOD. But aside from a few posts or sentences, it's not much. With voting being over in about 24 hours, I know I need to vote, but since I have no idea who is scum, I don't want to hurt the town by tossing my vote on someone random, which is basically what I'd be doing if I voted for anyone. If you have people pinging you, even for minor things ( aside from a few posts or sentences?), then state your desire to help the town by voting - you should follow it up by not then throwing your vote on a lurker.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 15:47:18 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on May 31, 2008 15:47:18 GMT -5
I'm not liking this hockeyguy bandwagon at all. The principle reason for a lot of the votes is the inconsistency Kat pointed out. Ok, yeah, I see the inconsistency, but so what? Have you all forgotten what NAF said already? You cannot expect perfect play from any Townies, but especially not a rookie Townie. Not one person has put any kind of analysis into the inconsistency: namely, what's the pro-scum motivation? Why would a scummy hockeyguy make those posts? I realize that at this point I'm just pissing into the wind, but this has to be said.
I really think that the Town is getting lazy and moving away from effective analysis. That killed the Town in YSI and has hurt the Town badly in both games on the SDMB going on right now. This isn't Batman: we can't expect name claims, multiple doctors and detectives and third parties working in the Town's favour in this one. If we're to win this, we've got to earn it, and I don't think that we've gotten off on the right foot toDay.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 16:02:56 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2008 16:02:56 GMT -5
I'm not liking this hockeyguy bandwagon at all. The principle reason for a lot of the votes is the inconsistency Kat pointed out. Ok, yeah, I see the inconsistency, but so what? Have you all forgotten what NAF said already? You cannot expect perfect play from any Townies, but especially not a rookie Townie. Not one person has put any kind of analysis into the inconsistency: namely, what's the pro-scum motivation? Why would a scummy hockeyguy make those posts? I realize that at this point I'm just pissing into the wind, but this has to be said. I really think that the Town is getting lazy and moving away from effective analysis. That killed the Town in YSI and has hurt the Town badly in both games on the SDMB going on right now. This isn't Batman: we can't expect name claims, multiple doctors and detectives and third parties working in the Town's favour in this one. If we're to win this, we've got to earn it, and I don't think that we've gotten off on the right foot toDay. I agree on all counts. This hockeyguy lynch stinks on ice, and folks are piling onto it with such eagerness that it's pretty evident that a lot of players are just frantic to have someone, anyone, to lynch. Which unfortunately makes it hard to distinguish the scum on the wagon from the Townies who just want somewhere to place their votes. I don't think there's much to keep hockey off the gibbet at this point, but Rysto's point is well taken; what is the behavior for which he is being lynched? What extra information has he betrayed, what efforts at manipulating outcome has he made? What reason do we have to suspect that he is scum, versus a player confused by the setup - which, I will say right now, is a characteristic shared by me, at least?
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 16:10:01 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2008 16:10:01 GMT -5
I agree the breadcrumb sucked, but other breadcrumbs have been missed. Curiosity question: did you read my explanation of how the crumb was not meant to be found except by a mason, and that it was for the mason's use in case I died? I shouldn't have said a word about it when I claimed, but that's what sucks, not the crumb itself, IMO. Just sayin. As far as I'm concerned, in the absence of a counterclaim, you're a Mason. I won't count you as 100% confirmed, but if you're not, then either there are no Masons (and you took a phenomenal gamble and kudos to you) or our real Masons are fumbling the ball something fierce right now. In any case, I'll be treating you as confirmed from this point forward unless there is additional evidence uncovered - and I suspect most of the Town will do the same - so I wouldn't worry so much about defending yourself.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 16:15:40 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 31, 2008 16:15:40 GMT -5
Tragic's play has been pretty hard to defend up till this point, and if I could vote twice, I definitely would. Why would you vote for Tragic? Seriously, because she voted for a Mason post-claim, under circumstances that could easily indicate that she just missed the claim? That's it? I'll ask again: Why would a Scummy Tragic deliberately vote for a claimed Mason? Do you think she thought she could get bufftabby lynched in spite of the claim? What was her scum motivation? This is a ridiculous justification. It amounts to a disagreement on optimal gameplay - you're voting for him because you think he should play a different way, but the fact is his explanation and action are consistent and defensible - whether you agree with them or not - and strategy disagreement does not equal scum tell. I recognize that derailing this hockeyguy wagon at this point is unlikely - and may not even be desirable, since I really have no idea whether he's scum, only that the arguments against him are paper thin - but I'm going to use my vote to reflect my own suspicions. I never really expect to live long in these games, so it's best to be on the record as often as possible: vote tdpatriots12
|
|
Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
Now 34.788% less repellant to Sharks! :( [on:I WANT TO DIE!][of:I WANT TO LIVE!]
Posts: 0
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 16:36:08 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 16:36:08 GMT -5
Sorry guys, been enormously busy and I'm still trying to catch up. I have plenty to say about what i've read so far, but I have a feeling much of it will be irrelevant by this point, so I haven't bothered. That said... Well after reading storytellers post I'll say this, according to my PM 1: There are/is a demon hunter who can tell if someone is possessed 2: They must then alert another role, to actually perform the exorcism It doesn't state how they communicate nor any other mechanics I can help out with. Such as what happens to the player possessed etc. Yes that means I'm not vanilla town, and no it doesn't worry me immensely at this date what scum will do to me, as Father Redford and I didn't just meet. Ryjae, here's the thing. You know what things look like from where you're sitting better than we do, so I'm willing to trust that you feel that the information you're providing is worth the target on your back. But if you're going to claim, don't softpedal it. You've already done as much damage to yourself as you're going to, so I for one would appreciate a full claim. Hinting around at what you can and can't do doesn't benefit town at all that I can see. This post really bothered me. This specifically came up in the Cecilvania game, but IF he's telling the truth, there's very little advantage if any to the town getting a full claim. Unless a full-claim will somehow completely verify someone, it's not useful. For instance, if someone claims "I'm a power role, but it's not confirmable", does it really matter if they're actually the doctor or the detective? We, as town, will have to decide if we believe them in either case, thus, the extra information is really more helpful to scum. I'm also interested because he specifically made a point that he's not worried about the scum at this point. So, if he's a power role, you have to trust that he's doing what he thinks is in the best interest, and if he's not, then what would make him more believable?
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 16:38:58 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 31, 2008 16:38:58 GMT -5
I'm not liking this hockeyguy bandwagon at all. The principle reason for a lot of the votes is the inconsistency Kat pointed out. Ok, yeah, I see the inconsistency, but so what? Have you all forgotten what NAF said already? You cannot expect perfect play from any Townies, but especially not a rookie Townie. Not one person has put any kind of analysis into the inconsistency: namely, what's the pro-scum motivation? Why would a scummy hockeyguy make those posts? I realize that at this point I'm just pissing into the wind, but this has to be said. I really think that the Town is getting lazy and moving away from effective analysis. That killed the Town in YSI and has hurt the Town badly in both games on the SDMB going on right now. This isn't Batman: we can't expect name claims, multiple doctors and detectives and third parties working in the Town's favour in this one. If we're to win this, we've got to earn it, and I don't think that we've gotten off on the right foot toDay. I'm not completely convinced that hockeyguy is scum, but I feel like voting based on an inconsistency is better than any vote/FoS I saw placed on me. As for scum motivation, I don't think it's too hard to find, and I felt like I addressed it in my vote, without necessarily explicitly referring to the motivation. My thought process is that one potential scum tactic is to play a bit dumb, which is what I feel like hockeyguy might be doing with those remarks on Hal. His theory that possessed might not know they're possessed seems pretty smudgy against Hal, without necessarily making a direct connection to the concept of "Hal=liar". No, it's not a rock solid case, and I'm willing to bet there's a good bit of scum hiding in hockeyguy's and my bandwagons, regardless of hockeyguy's affiliation.
|
|
Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
Now 34.788% less repellant to Sharks! :( [on:I WANT TO DIE!][of:I WANT TO LIVE!]
Posts: 0
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:00:15 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 17:00:15 GMT -5
Noticing that we have two members at least, who have yet to contribute mostly due to being unable to up to this point, I feel I should ask: Mod, could Day 1 be extended one or two days so they can rectify this?My preference would be to not allow extensions. I would consider it an unfair advantage for town. I'm willing to tentatively believe Hal, Darth and Ryjae. There just isn't any history of scum making unforced elaborate lies on day one. Of course that doesn't really leave me a lynching candidate so, I'll play the odds and vote Blaster MasterSubs seem to have a higher likelyhood of being a scum than original players. I'm going to try to re-read the thread in search of a better candidate. Really? This is just lazy, even after I made a point to say I'd be in before the Day was over. This strikes me even more oddly because, since we both played in Batman as well, my streaky posting patterns should be well established. Besides, I may not have really contributed anything to that point, but I hadn't exactly noticed anything from you either. So, I don't like this sort of vote at all, but I'm not sure what your motivation may be.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:07:53 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on May 31, 2008 17:07:53 GMT -5
My preference would be to not allow extensions. I would consider it an unfair advantage for town. I'm willing to tentatively believe Hal, Darth and Ryjae. There just isn't any history of scum making unforced elaborate lies on day one. Of course that doesn't really leave me a lynching candidate so, I'll play the odds and vote Blaster Master\ Subs seem to have a higher likelyhood of being a scum than original players. I'm going to try to re-read the thread in search of a better candidate. Really? This is just lazy, even after I made a point to say I'd be in before the Day was over. This strikes me even more oddly because, since we both played in Batman as well, my streaky posting patterns should be well established. Besides, I may not have really contributed anything to that point, but I hadn't exactly noticed anything from you either. So, I don't like this sort of vote at all, but I'm not sure what your motivation may be. This vote has nothing do to with you. I lacked a good candidate at the time. Subs have a history of being more likely to be scum than town. So, all else being equal, I decided to vote for a sub. Since then I have found more compelling cases (TD and Hockey Guy mostly) and removed my vote from you.
|
|
Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
Now 34.788% less repellant to Sharks! :( [on:I WANT TO DIE!][of:I WANT TO LIVE!]
Posts: 0
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:08:49 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 17:08:49 GMT -5
If you ask me, Czech actions seem more like those of a n00b townie. The fact that he retracted his vote so quickly when suspicions turned to him makes me think even moreso. --FCOD The way I see it, it's just a Newbie tell- as it's something I'd be likely to see from a Scummy player or a Town player. And actually, it's more annoying and likely in my book from a newbie scum- especially on Day1. We started with a Day start, so scum probably have not had a chance to talk (since Night 0 was virtually non-existent). So I could see a newbie player of either alignment suddenly panicking when he gets a few votes (2! Not even the dreaded 3, he only had 2 votes on him- then again, Mhaye may have scared him too, but still) and so he does what he feels is most likely to gain approval from the town. Ie: Unvotes. A noOb townie might unvote- or he might try to fight for his reasoning, show why he meant what he did. Or he'll get scared, and put himself above the town and unvote (as BlaM loves to point out- the self preservation Null-tell) hoping to lose the heat. A NoOb Scum I could see doing EXACTLY the same thing- the self-preservation Null Tell- "oh noes! they're voting for me!" and so he quickly makes the move that feels will get further heat off him (the Unvote). I would have been more impressed had he tried to EXPLAIN his reasonings for voting, and actually stuck to his guns further like what you've been doing. But the fact that 2 votes lead to an unvote is surprising to me, and I'm curious to see where he votes in the future. Definite FOS on Czech. I can't quite figure out what you're going for here. Yes, you're correct that I view self-preservation as a null tell, and in this case, I agree that his actions are those of new player and not necessarily the actions of new scum. I can see your motivation, but you failed to ellaborate on the possibilities of that being noob townie. Say, for instance, he's vanilla town, does the vote, and sees he gets flack for it. He gets scared, thinks his vote is bad, and unvotes. Imagine you are new to a completely closed game like this, with only a little bit of information that can be speculated in many ways. Also imagine you're a vanilla town, so you don't have any information. Look at how so many of the newer players in a game like Dopeville got so overwhelmed so quickly, and this game is likely much more complicated with a lot more speculation. Either way, I'm not seeing much either way on Czech, I just think the FOSs and votes on him, at least to this point, are poorly grounded.
|
|
Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
Now 34.788% less repellant to Sharks! :( [on:I WANT TO DIE!][of:I WANT TO LIVE!]
Posts: 0
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:13:22 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 17:13:22 GMT -5
Really? This is just lazy, even after I made a point to say I'd be in before the Day was over. This strikes me even more oddly because, since we both played in Batman as well, my streaky posting patterns should be well established. Besides, I may not have really contributed anything to that point, but I hadn't exactly noticed anything from you either. So, I don't like this sort of vote at all, but I'm not sure what your motivation may be. This vote has nothing do to with you. I lacked a good candidate at the time. Subs have a history of being more likely to be scum than town. So, all else being equal, I decided to vote for a sub. Since then I have found more compelling cases (TD and Hockey Guy mostly) and removed my vote from you. On the first point, I don't agree. This is the perception, but I'm not sure that the evidence supports it. Either way, it was meta-gamey, and just a purely chance vote and not really worth anything. It also seemed odd because, yes I'm a sub, but not so much because I didn't even notice ANY posts from Cat before I subbed in AND he left both games he was in simultaneously which meant it was almost certainly due to real-life situations and had nothing to do with his roles here. Again, it bothers me, but I don't think it necessarily has any sort of useful motivation either way attached to it; I just pointed it out because it bothered me. As for the latter are about being suspicious of TD and HockeyGuy... fair enough, I havent' gotten that far in with catching up yet.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:14:38 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on May 31, 2008 17:14:38 GMT -5
Once again I'm left with choices I'm unhappy with to end the day. Tragic's play has been pretty hard to defend up till this point, and if I could vote twice, I definitely would. In fact unvote HockeyguyVote TDPatsHockeyguy's actions since being on the block just don't seem scummy. TD, on the other hand, is trying to distance himself from his votes, while trying to push the lynches of multiple individuals. I mean, you don't like any candidates, but you want to vote twice? Seems like he is trying too hard to justify being wrong later on.
|
|
|
Day One
May 31, 2008 17:39:33 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on May 31, 2008 17:39:33 GMT -5
I feel like I should answer story's post since I'm sitting here and I might as well have my explanation on record before the night falls. Pre-post edit: Just noticed hawkeye has raised similar concerns. With regards to Tragic, I still think her actions are scummy (not because she voted for a mason, but because aside from it she's done little of substance to help the town but is unlikely to get modaxed), but given that I didn't see the post she made in the Away thread until story's post a moment ago... I think it's safe to say that the language I used in that post no longer reflects the strength of my opinion on the matter. So yes, hawkeye, I am distancing myself from that statement there, because after reading her Away post, if I don't I'll look like a G-damned ignoramus. If you have people pinging you, even for minor things ( aside from a few posts or sentences?), then state your desire to help the town by voting - you should follow it up by not then throwing your vote on a lurker. This is a ridiculous justification. It amounts to a disagreement on optimal gameplay - you're voting for him because you think he should play a different way, but the fact is his explanation and action are consistent and defensible - whether you agree with them or not - and strategy disagreement does not equal scum tell. I'm sorry story but I don't agree with your interpretation of why I voted. He said in his post that three different people were pinging him "more than others," he then said he had no desire to place a random vote, then he votes a lurker. What's the scum play? Maybe he's paying lip service to the idea of rooting out scum, then picking a lurker because it's safe and meaningless? The point is, I didn't like it. The post smacked of some sort of disconnect between ideas. Something one could reasonably expect might be a scum tell. TD, on the other hand, is trying to distance himself from his votes, while trying to push the lynches of multiple individuals. I mean, you don't like any candidates, but you want to vote twice? Seems like he is trying too hard to justify being wrong later on. I'm pretty sure I'm on the record as being meh about Day One lynches, so this is on a relative scale. But why should I be concerned about being wrong? If I'm wrong and hockeyguy comes up town, tomorrow if I'm still breathing we get to go over all this again, and hopefully the town gets some information out of it. I have no problem with being the target of pressure as long as it leads to people posting frequently on a topic of substance,"Is tdpatriots12 scum?" certainly would qualify.
|
|