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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 8:54:22 GMT -5
Hawkeye: Sorry, random order is fine with me too. I propose that the masons draw/decide this order then. I was holding off until we came to a concensus on the claim thing, but things have been very quiet toDay. We're apporaching the 24 hour mark and we have all of three votes on the table and four voters total toDay from what I see. I figured the mason claim would generate some discussion, especially since three players specifically asked for the claim, but little has come out of it. The mass name claim hasn't generated much discussion either. We haven't even been arguing about votes much. The current vote activity is: KidV (2): peeekrcpa, rugger DiggitCamera (1): Almost Human NAF (0): Chucara voted and unvoted That's it. But I'll generate a list for those who haven't name claimed. The masons are intentionally put last (so we aren't random, the other 9 players are). Maybe we can spur some discussion with the list out there. mhaye diggitcamera FlyingDeadCowofGOB NAF Zeriel hawkeyeop KidVermicious Pollux Oil Darth Sensitive Hoopy Frood and Mister Blockey (we know each other's names) Now if someone refuses to claim, they should say as much. This does not necessarily indicate one's alignment. There are valid town-aligned reasons for not wanting to claim. (It's part of why the masons are going last, after all.) And we shouldn't necessarily press someone for their reasons. But, it is something that's noteworthy.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 8:57:37 GMT -5
Fuck it, here we go: I'd really much rather leave the scum guessing at what my powers are...I'm sure you can understand this given my character's abilities. Oh yeah, I realize that some of you might be skeptical that I am making this up since we already know that Longshot is in the game, but I did leave a little hint about my role earlier should something like this have happened. From here--FCOD
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Post by Chucara on Oct 13, 2008 9:18:46 GMT -5
Welcome to the game; you are LongshotNot that I think this incriminates you in any way, but I did find this quote from Longshot's wiki rather amusing, considering the game:
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 9:41:11 GMT -5
Not that I think this incriminates you in any way, but I did find this quote from Longshot's wiki rather amusing, considering the game: Well, thanks a lot, Wikipedia! Seriously though...I'm not a skrull. --FCOD
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 13, 2008 9:45:49 GMT -5
I concur--I'd expect the incidence of scum in the claimed and unclaimed portions of the game to be more or less the same.
Most of the time, scum are not stupid enough to clump--they're trying to win too, after all.
And there are enough sufficiently low-profile Marvel characters involved here that it'd be easy to fabricate a believable claim, possibly even with one's actual role name.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 13, 2008 9:56:48 GMT -5
The mason claim hasn't got much discussion because there's not much to discuss--with no counter-claims, you guys are confirmed unless the real mason(s) are playing some kinda bizarre waiting game.
As for the name claim crap, I'm unconvinced it's going to be useful to town and I am convinced it'll give scum some idea of who to target. I mean, hell, I could make up a fake claim in fifteen minutes with wikipedia and marvel database, and odds are I'd be able to pick a character that none of you had heard of, like the late Dr. Reyes. So I'm keepin' my trap shut unless I'm the last man unclaimed.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 10:35:52 GMT -5
The mason claim hasn't got much discussion because there's not much to discuss--with no counter-claims, you guys are confirmed unless the real mason(s) are playing some kinda bizarre waiting game. I wasn't talking about our claim as masons. I was more referring to the rest of the information dump. (E.g. The fact that one of us three was targeted for a kill last night. The possibility that scum has an investigator.) I know there's nothing to discuss about whether we are or arent' masons, and I've said as much already when Chucara brought it up earlier. I figured someone might have a bit more info to bring to the table.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 13, 2008 11:44:22 GMT -5
PLEASE NOTE: THE DAY ENDS IN ALMOST EXACTLY 24 HOURS. THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR VOTES, AS FOLLOWS:
Kid Vermicious (2) - peekercpa, Santo Rugger diggitcamara (1) - Almost Human NAF1138 (1) - FDr.HoD
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 13, 2008 12:31:55 GMT -5
Day Three vote order:
2. Santo votes Almost Human 6. FCOD votes Almost Human 15. Santo unvotes Almost Human 15. Santo votes Nanook 103. KidV votes Peeker 128. Squid votes Peeker 183. Peeker votes Rysto 196. Chucara votes Diggit 284. NAF votes Peeker 286. Hoopy votes Squid 290. Santo unvotes Nanook 290. Santo votes Almost Human 291. FCOD unvotes Almost Human 291. FCOD votes Squid 294. Bufftabby votes Squid 330. FCOD unvotes Squid 345. Zeriel votes Squid 346. Chucara unvotes Diggit 353. Blockey votes Peeker 355. Hawk votes Peeker 359. Almost Human votes Peeker 365. Nanook votes Peeker 366. Chucara votes Peeker 379. Nanook unvotes Peeker 379. Nanook votes FCOD 388. Rysto votes Mhaye 405. Pollux votes NAF 406. Blockey unvotes Peeker 406. Blockey votes NAF 407. Chucara unvotes Peeker 407. Chucara votes NAF 409. CIAS votes Zeriel 412. Greedy votes Squid 414. FCOD votes Squid 432. Nanook unvotes FCOD 432. Nanook votes Chucara 434. Santo unvotes Almost Human 434. Santo votes Squid 439. Darth votes Peeker 442. Chucara unvotes NAF 442. Chucara votes Squid 448. Mhaye votes Squid
At first glance, a couple things jump out to me. There's a rush on Boozahol Squid PI right after Peeker gets his third vote. There's another rush on NAF starting at post 405, but I don't see what triggered it.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 13, 2008 12:39:16 GMT -5
Again, with color this time! Sorry...
2. Santo votes Almost Human 6. FCOD votes Almost Human 15. Santo unvotes Almost Human 15. Santo votes Nanook 103. KidV votes Peeker 128. Squid votes Peeker 183. Peeker votes Rysto 196. Chucara votes Diggit 284. NAF votes Peeker 286. Hoopy votes Squid 290. Santo unvotes Nanook 290. Santo votes Almost Human 291. FCOD unvotes Almost Human 291. FCOD votes Squid 294. Bufftabby votes Squid 330. FCOD unvotes Squid 345. Zeriel votes Squid 346. Chucara unvotes Diggit 353. Blockey votes Peeker 355. Hawk votes Peeker 359. Almost Human votes Peeker 365. Nanook votes Peeker 366. Chucara votes Peeker 379. Nanook unvotes Peeker 379. Nanook votes FCOD 388. Rysto votes Mhaye 405. Pollux votes NAF 406. Blockey unvotes Peeker 406. Blockey votes NAF 407. Chucara unvotes Peeker 407. Chucara votes NAF 409. CIAS votes Zeriel 412. Greedy votes Squid 414. FCOD votes Squid 432. Nanook unvotes FCOD 432. Nanook votes Chucara 434. Santo unvotes Almost Human 434. Santo votes Squid 439. Darth votes Peeker 442. Chucara unvotes NAF 442. Chucara votes Squid 448. Mhaye votes Squid
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 12:47:17 GMT -5
Could peeker or santo recap what their case(s) against KidV are?
--FCOD
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 12:50:55 GMT -5
Yes, I am reading. And yes, I'm still down with a peekertrain, until/unless we turn up a lynch target that is more likely to be anti-town than you. Are you seriously incapable of understanding what a pile of moist, fragrant, steaming WIFOM you are? You're not confirmed, dude, and until you are I will remain suspicious of the way you claimed. We can be 99% sure he's not killing people. Basically all of Day 2 and 3 were spent arguing about what we should do with peek. If we didn't have the collective balls to do it then, we should STFU about it until further evidence presents itself, IMHO. Vote KidV, at least until he explains why attempting to muddy yet another Day with peek-man's undies is a good idea or at all pro town. <explaination>mud is brown. Peek's undies are brown. Get it? Sure.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 13, 2008 13:00:26 GMT -5
I thought I did that. We can be 99% sure he's not killing people. Basically all of Day 2 and 3 were spent arguing about what we should do with peek. If we didn't have the collective balls to do it then, we should STFU about it until further evidence presents itself, IMHO. Vote KidV, at least until he explains why attempting to muddy yet another Day with peek-man's undies is a good idea or at all pro town. <explaination>mud is brown. Peek's undies are brown. Get it? Santo, you're not paying attention. In D4.44, I said, in response to speculation by Greedysmurf: Since then, I've done nothing but answer direct questions by Peek. I object to the claim that I'm the one dragging this out. Regarding your first point, I agree we know that he hasn't killed yet. We don't know he's not a mad bomber, and we don't know he's not spreading the virus himself, and we won't know until somebody we trust pops up to say that he's cured them. Thats all. I said before, I don't trust him, I'm keeping a hairy eyeball on him, and I'll place my vote on him if it looks to do any good. Until then, I plan to look elsewhere. Again - I made one comment that I wasn't ready to take my hairy eyeball off Peek. This generated multiple attacks by Peek, which I felt obliged to answer. I confess to being unable to understand how this equates to me trying to "muddy yet another Day...".
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 13, 2008 13:16:20 GMT -5
Crap, I have been trying to catch up and noticed that UATU says that the Day is almost over. I am going to do my best to get some thoughts down and vote in the next couple of hours, but I still haven't really read anything that has been posted since Friday.
Sorry. Crap is going down in my office. It's a bit unexpected.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 13, 2008 13:22:18 GMT -5
Damn, this day is ending early? I had my mind set for thursday for some reason. I don't really have a good feeling about anything right now. Zerial is probably the one pinging me most right now - due to the vote from CatInASuit and his reluctancy to reveal his name. It's not enough for me to vote for him as he could have valid reasons not to reveal it, but I don't really have anything else to go on right now.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 13, 2008 13:26:34 GMT -5
FCOD, do I understand correctly that you don't recieve a result from your Night action, and thus wouldn't know whether or not you've been blocked?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 13, 2008 13:26:50 GMT -5
Damn, this day is ending early? I had my mind set for thursday for some reason. I don't really have a good feeling about anything right now. Zerial is probably the one pinging me most right now - due to the vote from CatInASuit and his reluctancy to reveal his name. It's not enough for me to vote for him as he could have valid reasons not to reveal it, but I don't really have anything else to go on right now. FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, THE DATE AND TIME OF DUSK IS PLACED IN THE DAWN POST.[/QUOTE]
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 13:30:43 GMT -5
FCOD, do I understand correctly that you don't recieve a result from your Night action, and thus wouldn't know whether or not you've been blocked? That's what I thought at first, but I have since been corrected. I was blocked, even though I wouldn't have found out if my action was successful. I also update the wiki with the ending time: Ending Times--FCOD
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Post by Hawkmod on Oct 13, 2008 13:57:40 GMT -5
After reading though his history, I'm pretty confident in voting for Nanook.
First some Metagamey reasons.
1, Story complained endlessly in Apocalypse about how unfair it was that he was assumed to be scum, because he could create zombies. He expressed annoyance that the mods gave him no way to prove his towniness. I have a hard time envisioning him putting someone else in that position.
2. I also don't think Story/Kat would change rules on the fly. I argued a logical point about my powers with story, and got the a response of:
Thus I have a hard time believing they did change their rules for Nanook.
More importantly, Nanook voting record has been highly suspicious.
On day one he was willing to vote for Molefan despite Molefan being the leading vote getter. The fact that Molefan would have been able to get all his secret knowledge out during the day, didn't concern Nanook.
On day two, he voted for Mhaye, but said he would have voted Sinjin. Understandable given his claim, but why didn't he do something like this day one?
On day three, he voted for Peek, FCOD, and Chucara in that order. He didn't think Booz was scummy, but did little to try to keep him alive. It was a close vote late, and certainly could have been swung a different way. I don't think Nanook's claimed power is enough to let a detective die when you believe that detective is truthful. The more likely situation is that Nanook is using his claimed power to not put his vote where his mouth is. He can argue in favor of town members, but doesn't need to back it up.
On day four he has posted twice in response to me, but has not stated his opinion on anyone remaining in the game.
vote Nanook
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 14:00:39 GMT -5
hawkeye, your case for Nanook makes more sense than any other I have seen toDay. I'd like to see what Nanook has to say first, but I am seriously considering voting for him.
--FCOD
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 13, 2008 14:27:15 GMT -5
After reading though his history, I'm pretty confident in voting for Nanook. <Snip> On day three, he voted for Peek, FCOD, and Chucara in that order. He didn't think Booz was scummy, but did little to try to keep him alive. It was a close vote late, and certainly could have been swung a different way. I don't think Nanook's claimed power is enough to let a detective die when you believe that detective is truthful. The more likely situation is that Nanook is using his claimed power to not put his vote where his mouth is. He can argue in favor of town members, but doesn't need to back it up. Hmm. I think you may be on to something. If you don't think a detective is scummy, it seems like you'd wanna try to keep him alive, even if it meant you couldn't raise up a zombie that particular Night. Especially since if Nanook were Town, he would've broadcast his re-animation target with his ending vote, pretty much guaranteeing that the scum wouldn't bother to target that person. vote Nanook
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Post by Chucara on Oct 13, 2008 14:41:49 GMT -5
I can't join in on the metagame arguement as I have no idea what story does. And frankly, the people who are voting for nanook right now are among the ones I'm the most uncertain about.
Seeing as there is less than a day to go, my vote goes to vote zeriel for reasons previously described. I'm not buying into the Nanook thing.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 13, 2008 14:44:10 GMT -5
Me personally, I find it convenient that Nanook's been avoiding raising anyone at all since we found out that the dead can say one thing to the thread and a simple method of proving that the zombies are under their own control (by means of PM times in the past etc) was proposed.
I'm doubly interested in this since we have no actual evidence the dead speak--the sole instance of this happening was a "quote" within one of Nanook's posts, the sole purpose of which was to have "molefan" smudge me from beyond the grave.
It's not enough to get my vote but it might be if nothing better comes up before the end of the day.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 13, 2008 14:59:50 GMT -5
20 hours left!
Official Vote Count:
KidVermicious (2) – peeker, Santo Rugger NAF (1) – FCOD DiggitCamara (1) – Almost Human Nanook (2) – hawkeye, bufftabby zeriel (1) - Chucara
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 15:29:07 GMT -5
Dunno how useful that is other than Mr Sinister my well be in the game but he'd already been mentioned anyway. That and Apocalypse may well be in the game but isn't necessarily the scum leader or even scum for that matter. I'm not sure how much faith to put in the colour though so YMMV. One part of my power was to find Rogue and recover my powers. This would have left her powerless but as she got caught out on Day 2 I only had a chance to look once. It was worth more to the town for her to die than for me to get my powers back so I left it at that. I checked out Santo for what it's worth and the reply I got back was. I've got one small power left but it could be useful so I'm going to leave that for now. I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. One trend I'm noticing around here with claimed powers is that there seem to be a lot of contingencies and caveats built in. And I'll try to get a vote in this evening.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 13, 2008 15:32:55 GMT -5
I think it's fairly obvious why I don't want to reveal what my power is.
--FCOD
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 13, 2008 15:34:18 GMT -5
I can't join in on the metagame arguement as I have no idea what story does. And frankly, the people who are voting for nanook right now are among the ones I'm the most uncertain about. Care to elaborate? Do you mean "uncertain" as in "pinging somewhat" or you just don't have a read? Because you're obviously talking about hawkeye and me.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 13, 2008 16:23:30 GMT -5
I can't join in on the metagame arguement as I have no idea what story does. And frankly, the people who are voting for nanook right now are among the ones I'm the most uncertain about. Care to elaborate? Do you mean "uncertain" as in "pinging somewhat" or you just don't have a read? Because you're obviously talking about hawkeye and me. Problem is that there are a LOT of people I'm suspicious about. And FCOD and hawkeye are two of them. You remain neutral IMO. It's little more than a gut feeling, and I may be wrong, and Nanook may be scum, but somehow I'm inclined to believe him. Atleast enough to not want him dead today. I'm assuming he'll vote for whomever has the most votes and that we can someone confirm him through previous PMs. The fact that he is theoretically confirmable makes me want to let him win. Again, I can't help but think that scum are hiding in the ranks of those we haven't heard from yet.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Oct 13, 2008 17:04:55 GMT -5
Vote NAF
It's nothing more than a gut feeling, but it's all I have right now.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 13, 2008 17:31:15 GMT -5
After reading though his history, I'm pretty confident in voting for Nanook. First some Metagamey reasons. 1, Story complained endlessly in Apocalypse about how unfair it was that he was assumed to be scum, because he could create zombies. He expressed annoyance that the mods gave him no way to prove his towniness. I have a hard time envisioning him putting someone else in that position. I was in that game too you know. I don't remember him complaining about the mods at all. His complaints were directed at Townies assuming that zombies=bad. Think about my original, unclarified role for a moment. As originally presented, the ONLY person I could ever raise would be that Day's lynchee, and only if that person was Town. What Townie would allow themselves to be lynched without spilling any and all information they had before the lynch? Obviously none would. So therefore my role, designed as an information back up, was worthless. I suppose we could have a speed lynch that took out a Townie before they could log in, but the odds of that are pretty slim. Basically, I was vanilla in a no vanilla game. That's why it was changed. Further, this argument is bullshit. If you're going to use your role as a reason to lynch me, you should say what it is. I explained exactly what was changed and why. But you want us to believe that something about your role they refused to change, but you won't say what. Why do you feel it should be changed? What was your argument for and what was theirs against? When I read over my role, I realized I had two ways to play it basically. I could be up front about my role and my reasons for doing things, or I could try to hide it. The problem with the latter is that it's very difficult to hide what is essentially random voting in the early part of the game. Before long it would bite me in the ass, and my explanation would ring hollow at that time. Better to lay out early and explain my actions in advance. Voting for, and raising Molefan, was a choice I made to voluntarily weaken my ability slightly, in exchange demonstrating for everyone that I was doing exactly what I said I was going to do. See above. I had already demonstrated what I was doing, so now it's time to start actively voting as needed for my power. There's a difference between not quite beliving a lynch, and feeling it's wrong. I didn't feel like Boozy was all that scummy, but that's not the same as saying that I didn't think there was a possibilty. And really, my option was between peeker and Boozy. I didn't feel either was a good lynch option, so I faux voted the person I felt was scummiest. Further, do you see what you're doing here? Day 1 is a bad vote, because I didn't vote the way my power would dictate. Day 2 is a bad vote because I did. Day 3 is a bad vote because I didn't. So in your world, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I haven't had much time to post this Day. I had to spend a bunch of time filing a missing persons report on my sister. I still have no fucking idea what's going on with her, and my mother is freaking out. I'm sorry I haven't been able to meet your standards for presenting a case.
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