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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 13, 2008 17:31:29 GMT -5
Less than 20 hours to go and I haven't posted Today, let alone voted?
I owe everyone a big fat apology.
Late last week, I had to deal with some rl problems. They went away for the weekend, and then resumed today. (They're not my own problems; it's just I'm Johnny-on-the-spot, as it were.)
I'll work on a read of the thread in the next couple of hours.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 13, 2008 17:34:34 GMT -5
Less than 20 hours to go and I haven't posted Today, let alone voted? I owe everyone a big fat apology. Late last week, I had to deal with some rl problems. They went away for the weekend, and then resumed today. (They're not my own problems; it's just I'm Johnny-on-the-spot, as it were.) I'll work on a read of the thread in the next couple of hours. Fuck. Well Zeriel and KidV are the people I had on my suspect list toDay, and I wasn't able to check in much all weekend and the day has been insane for me at work today. (My best friend gave her two week notice and they told her not to bother with two weeks. A partner left the firm on Friday too, the place is quickly falling into chaos.) This is a coin flip, but I will vote KidVI am making this vote without having read anything since Friday evening. Sorry, but at least I am on the record with my suspicion.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 13, 2008 17:34:51 GMT -5
Me personally, I find it convenient that Nanook's been avoiding raising anyone at all since we found out that the dead can say one thing to the thread and a simple method of proving that the zombies are under their own control (by means of PM times in the past etc) was proposed. I'm doubly interested in this since we have no actual evidence the dead speak--the sole instance of this happening was a "quote" within one of Nanook's posts, the sole purpose of which was to have "molefan" smudge me from beyond the grave. It's not enough to get my vote but it might be if nothing better comes up before the end of the day. The only time anything was proposed was way back after Molefan was raised, AFTER he had already spent his PM. Since then, it hasn't been brought up at all until now. But that's fine. I don't have an issue with using mypower in order to prove my claim. I have no idea how exactly we're supposed to go about doing so, but whatever we can come up with is fine by me. It seems to me that being able to confirm me is worth far more than taking a pot shot at hopefully, maybe getting some information in the future.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 13, 2008 17:37:12 GMT -5
Hmm. I think you may be on to something. If you don't think a detective is scummy, it seems like you'd wanna try to keep him alive, even if it meant you couldn't raise up a zombie that particular Night. Especially since if Nanook were Town, he would've broadcast his re-animation target with his ending vote, pretty much guaranteeing that the scum wouldn't bother to target that person./quote] So I vote for a townie, and scum avoid killing that person because I voted for them. This is a bad thing, why exactly? Especially if I guess right and protect someone with an actually valuable role?
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Post by Nanook on Oct 13, 2008 17:39:24 GMT -5
...The fact that he is theoretically confirmable makes me want to let him win. *snip* Could you explain this part? It makes no sense to me.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 13, 2008 17:40:00 GMT -5
Again, without the ugly coding. Hmm. I think you may be on to something. If you don't think a detective is scummy, it seems like you'd wanna try to keep him alive, even if it meant you couldn't raise up a zombie that particular Night. Especially since if Nanook were Town, he would've broadcast his re-animation target with his ending vote, pretty much guaranteeing that the scum wouldn't bother to target that person. So I vote for a townie, and scum avoid killing that person because I voted for them. This is a bad thing, why exactly? Especially if I guess right and protect someone with an actually valuable role?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 18:15:30 GMT -5
But that's fine. I don't have an issue with using mypower in order to prove my claim. I have no idea how exactly we're supposed to go about doing so, but whatever we can come up with is fine by me. It seems to me that being able to confirm me is worth far more than taking a pot shot at hopefully, maybe getting some information in the future. Unless your power is unblockable, there's no good way to confirm you. And blocking confirms is one of the most useful things for scum a scum blocker can do.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 18:35:08 GMT -5
Voting for, and raising Molefan, was a choice I made to voluntarily weaken my ability slightly, in exchange demonstrating for everyone that I was doing exactly what I said I was going to do. See above. I had already demonstrated what I was doing, so now it's time to start actively voting as needed for my power. Snipped by me. Check this PM that molefan sent me: In other words, you didn't demonstrate what you were doing, at least not fully.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 19:19:41 GMT -5
Voting for, and raising Molefan, was a choice I made to voluntarily weaken my ability slightly, in exchange demonstrating for everyone that I was doing exactly what I said I was going to do. See above. I had already demonstrated what I was doing, so now it's time to start actively voting as needed for my power. Snipped by me. Check this PM that molefan sent me: In other words, you didn't demonstrate what you were doing, at least not fully. Wait, what? A raised from the dead character sends Rugger a PM? Even though the raiser claims the messages can only be sent to him? This means one of the following: 1.) Rugger received an illegal PM. I would think that he would have reported this to the appropriate powers that be in such a case. I don't think we would find out about it or that it would be posted here. If it was illegal, I hope the mods can reconcile all this so as not to hurt the game. 2) Rugger's lying his ass off about another townie. I can't see either a pro-town or pro-scum reason for this. (Well, okay I can't see a "smart" reason for this.) If he's town, there'd be no reason to lie to implicate someone he doesn't know to be non-town, or if he knows that person to be non-town, not to tell us why he knows their non-town. If he's scum, there's no reason to lie about a townie (especially one with a crippled power) because it brings suspicion onto himself should this townie get lynched. 3) Rugger's lying his ass off about a 3rd party. Rugger may be scum lying about an outed 3rd party, to get us to lynch the 3rd party (after all, 3rd party lynches count as mislynches for town, and 3rd party nightkills count as missed kills for scum). It helps out scum and brings no heat to Rugger. (It's Rugger, "The PFK Destroyer".) 4) Rugger's telling the truth. This pretty much outs Nanook as a liar. I want to see where this goes. For now, I'm going to vote diggitcamara, though. Why? Basically his whole participation has consisted of a vote for Sinjin and a belaboring of the peekercpa thing. He has not voted on either Days 1 or 3. He's contributed little to discussion. He's done hardly anything to help town. We've accomplished little toDay mainly because there has been a severe paucity of discussion that hasn't been a rehash of the peeker thing. There are others who are pinging me, though. Almost Human has a bunch of little things that add up to a decent case against her. There was the goal slip, but that alone isn't it. The main thing is the fact that after saying she's inclined to believe peeker for Day 1, Day 2, and a good amount of Day 3, she suddenly votes him on Day 3 for the simple reason that when she mentions her belief of the Legacy Virus only having a 25% infection rate after peeker said as much she believes a lynch of him is suddenly good. However, as was clearly listed in the PM, the legacy virus infection rate is never mentioned. Only the fatality rate is. The PM even says there are nasty effects that inflict the survivors. (And, as I've noted before, I still don't understand why peeker didn't get this from his own role. Yeah, that pings me about you as well, peeker, more than anything else you've said or done this game.) It seems as if AH was looking for any reason possible to change her mind to peeker since he's going to be a safe lynch for anybody. (After all, Millers have to die eventually, the conventional wisdom says. Any townie or scum can essentially get a "Get Out of Responsibility for Lynch Free" card with a lynch like that.) But Nanook has a lot of explaining to do. I will probably change my vote to him if he can't provide a good reason for what Santo just put up. But I do want to see more participation from town here. In both discussion and if you guys can think of ways to use the masons for various role confirmations and other things. After all, we are confirmed and won't live long. We're out, so use us.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 13, 2008 19:31:11 GMT -5
I dunno, I assumed Santo was doing what I was rambling about--that is, I assumed Santo was making crap up to prove it could be done without a modhammer, as a check on anyone who is taking Nanook's message from molefan at face value. (the existence of the zombie itself is, of course, verified in the color).
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 19:34:34 GMT -5
I dunno, I assumed Santo was doing what I was rambling about--that is, I assumed Santo was making crap up to prove it could be done without a modhammer, as a check on anyone who is taking Nanook's message from molefan at face value. (the existence of the zombie itself is, of course, verified in the color). This. Although, I must say, Hoopy, your reaction to it was pretty darn funny.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 13, 2008 19:35:31 GMT -5
The only time anything was proposed was way back after Molefan was raised, AFTER he had already spent his PM. Since then, it hasn't been brought up at all until now. But that's fine. I don't have an issue with using mypower in order to prove my claim. I have no idea how exactly we're supposed to go about doing so, but whatever we can come up with is fine by me. It seems to me that being able to confirm me is worth far more than taking a pot shot at hopefully, maybe getting some information in the future. Not sure if this is a whoosh or not, but it could be seen by some as convenient that you've avoided being on any lynch votes and have not yet voted for anyone who subsequently got nightkilled. It could be bad luck; it could be actively attempting to avoid a scenario where you could be asked to confirm and be unable to.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 19:39:38 GMT -5
I do have a question, though, Hoopy. Why didn't you include the possibility of Nanook being scum; is it just because he can raise zombies?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 19:46:24 GMT -5
I dunno, I assumed Santo was doing what I was rambling about--that is, I assumed Santo was making crap up to prove it could be done without a modhammer, as a check on anyone who is taking Nanook's message from molefan at face value. (the existence of the zombie itself is, of course, verified in the color). This. Although, I must say, Hoopy, your reaction to it was pretty darn funny. Stupid wooshes.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 13, 2008 19:48:27 GMT -5
I do have a question, though, Hoopy. Why didn't you include the possibility of Nanook being scum; is it just because he can raise zombies? No. I was pretty much putting Nanook as scum under option #4 where he's a liar, since there's no reason for a townie Nanook to lie. But your right, I should have explicitly said it. It's moot anyway since I misunderstood your intent.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Oct 13, 2008 20:18:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the reality check Zeriel. I was going what the hell I see what Santo was doing . [Unless you'd like to claim otherwise Santo?] On other things. Just my thoughts on some of hte extra information we have now. I believe that if there is a legacy virus, it is being spread by Mr Sinister, who would be a PFK. I'm going from memory here so do stand to be corrected. But I believe it was Mr Sinister who took the original legacy virus work from Apocalypse and worked with it to produce the actual virus (or an improved version thereof) As we have proof that the horsemen are the scum, I presume Apocalypse is the 'leader' of the scum. And I can't see that the scum would have two win mechanics, the usual plus this legacy virus. So from canon it makes sense for Mr Sinister to be a PFK spreading the virus.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 13, 2008 20:32:25 GMT -5
Could peeker or santo recap what their case(s) against KidV are? --FCOD I'll give it a go. And if this comes across as OMGYS then so be it. KidV indicates that one of his primay reasons for lynching me was because I am a Miler and "I have to be lynched eventually" (paraphrased FCS). Now no investigative role has come up with this result thus far. So he trusts me enough to believe my claim (I would investigate as scum) but not enough to trust that as Miller I am pro town. I know that bad logic does not equal scum. But inconsistent logic is inherrantly fishy. Talk about a Catch 22. Keep my mouth shut, which would hurt town or speak up and get a heck of a lot of heat. I'm in it for town. I'll take the heat and consequences. BTW, before Bob Barker became a raisin I think he hosted that game show. Or was it Alan Alda that starred in MASH that was responsible for that nonsense?
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Post by diggitcamara on Oct 13, 2008 20:34:58 GMT -5
I am most undoubtedly not telling anyone whom I protected on night one. Ok, it was you DC. I assume your vote will be forthcoming. Heh. Well, I didn't get any notice like the one you're saying I should have gotten. So: Are you lying about the whole feather business? Or are you lying about "feathering" me? And, to answer bufftabby's question: if anyone has been "feathered" (or, as they would experience it, had a "failed attack" on them)they could/should have realized by now that it was peeker. If they are town-aligned, they could/should have at least helped us avoid the steady peeker-drama by announcing that fact. Shouldn't they?
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Post by diggitcamara on Oct 13, 2008 20:39:16 GMT -5
And DC weren't you another member of the clown troupe that wanted to lynch my butt because "he's a miller and has to swing eventually"? Paraphrased, of course. I don't see myself as one of the advocates to lynch you. I do see myself as one of the people who are asking you to stop hogging discussion, every Day, by proclaiming your innocence and what not.
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Post by diggitcamara on Oct 13, 2008 20:48:34 GMT -5
The mason claim hasn't got much discussion because there's not much to discuss--with no counter-claims, you guys are confirmed unless the real mason(s) are playing some kinda bizarre waiting game. As for the name claim crap, I'm unconvinced it's going to be useful to town and I am convinced it'll give scum some idea of who to target. I mean, hell, I could make up a fake claim in fifteen minutes with wikipedia and marvel database, and odds are I'd be able to pick a character that none of you had heard of, like the late Dr. Reyes. So I'm keepin' my trap shut unless I'm the last man unclaimed. Same here. 1. We already have evidence for at least one role that's seeking another 2. In past games someone's win condition was to guess other player's names/alignments We might be helping scum along to achieve one of their goals by claiming names and/or alignments. I don't think it's a good idea at all.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Oct 13, 2008 20:53:27 GMT -5
So peeker - are you suggesting an investigator waste an investigation to find out that yes, you do come out scum?
The investigator states this, they're outed, the words "no shit, sherlock" are posted several times and you eventually get lynched and the investigator is night killed.
Your logic is much worse than his. As I too am one that believes that you need to be lynched before endgame, I am going to
Vote peekercpa[/color]'
You still have the town going in circles, are using specious logic, and are worthless when it comes down to LyLo.
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Post by diggitcamara on Oct 13, 2008 21:00:53 GMT -5
So, here I was, trying to catch up with the posts and thinking that, after some people guessed the reason why I proposed that peekercpa should disclose who he had "feathered", he would tell us.
Strangely though, he says he "feathered" me. Now:
1. I wasn't notified of a failed attack 2. peeker didn't press the issue
So, I have to say that I have to
vote peekercpa
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 21:02:59 GMT -5
So peeker - are you suggesting an investigator waste an investigation to find out that yes, you do come out scum? Kindly show where peekster suggested that?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 13, 2008 21:11:43 GMT -5
So peeker - are you suggesting an investigator waste an investigation to find out that yes, you do come out scum? The investigator states this, they're outed, the words "no shit, sherlock" are posted several times and you eventually get lynched and the investigator is night killed. Your logic is much worse than his. As I too am one that believes that you need to be lynched before endgame, I am going to Vote peekercpa[/color]' You still have the town going in circles, are using specious logic, and are worthless when it comes down to LyLo.[/quote] Ok, I copied and pasted this real slow. If you would take the chance to read it slow for COMPREHENSION you might cut down on the static. Originally PM'd by story1. Once per Night, you may select a player and attack them with an edged feather, coated with your own blood. Doing this will mix your blood with that of your target, extending to the player you attack an immunity to the Legacy virus. However, your target will not know that this attack has a beneficial effect, and your action will appear to any interested party to be a (failed) attack on the player in question. And, of course the header for the post was supplied by moi. You can still go back to the original post to see it in its entirety. Fuck, dude. I have been wanting to move on but you keep coming back and back. Cripes, I've got my vote down but am seriously considering moving it since you are just being so durn obtuse. Seriously, shoe on other foot. Peek Let's lynch DC because that Che Guevara shirt makes him look like a Communist. DC Actually, the origin of my garments prove that I am willing to support Capitalism in devoloping countries. Peek Lynch him anyways.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 13, 2008 21:37:44 GMT -5
So, here I was, trying to catch up with the posts and thinking that, after some people guessed the reason why I proposed that peekercpa should disclose who he had "feathered", he would tell us. Strangely though, he says he "feathered" me. Now: 1. I wasn't notified of a failed attack 2. peeker didn't press the issue So, I have to say that I have to vote peekercpaOk let's try this again. Did you even read what I posted. I am not telling you who I feathered. I posted that I feathered you so that by your logic you would have to lynch yourself. Apparently, subtlety is lost on scum. You know I've played this game a couple of times and this is some of the most scurrilous reasoning ever encountered. I mean I am not this good at this game but at least I try. So you are either scum or even worse than I am.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 13, 2008 21:53:27 GMT -5
Neta. Because DC keeps digging up the horse and continuing to beat it to the detriment of town.
Unvote KidV
[color=blueVote DC[/b]
For fucks sake can we move on. Either lynch my ass and deal with Legacy with no protection or move onto scum hunting.
Got a red eye in a couple of hours so I'll see you late manana or Wednesday. Hopefully with a chance to protect.
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Post by Gir! on Oct 13, 2008 22:19:35 GMT -5
12 hours, 41 minutes left to the Day!
Official Vote Count at this time:
KidVermicious (2) – Santo Rugger, NAF NAF (2) – FCOD, misterblockey DiggitCamara (2) – Almost Human, Hoopy Frood Nanook (2) – hawkeye, bufftabby zeriel (1) – Chucara peekercpa (2) – Darth Sensitive, DiggitCamara
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 13, 2008 22:20:49 GMT -5
Is the formatting error of peek's vote preventing it from being counted?
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Post by Gir! on Oct 13, 2008 22:53:19 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Oct 13, 2008 22:58:47 GMT -5
So peeker - are you suggesting an investigator waste an investigation to find out that yes, you do come out scum? Kindly show where peekster suggested that? KidV indicates that one of his primay reasons for lynching me was because I am a Miler and "I have to be lynched eventually" (paraphrased FCS). Now no investigative role has come up with this result thus far. So he trusts me enough to believe my claim (I would investigate as scum) but not enough to trust that as Miller I am pro town. I know that bad logic does not equal scum. But inconsistent logic is inherrantly fishy. It is pointless for anyone to investigate him - so I don't know why he cares to clamor for it.
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