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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 12:20:48 GMT -5
In any case, why would NAF feel the need to make this observation? capy has already declared, so that's water under the bridge. Why bother to make this statement about splitting the Doc's protection? Unless one is subtly trying to influence the Doc's decision - to make sure that the Doc is thinking along the lines of protecting a Genius - because one is scum, and has a bead on the real Doctor and wants the latter's protection wasted on a Genius during the coming Night. This hadn't even occurred to me, although I wondered at the time what the point of saying something like that was, since it was too late to do any "good." Doctor, you might take Story's hunch under advisement. Nesta and I are not particularly important-- just confirmed town-- so do what you think is best for the town. Anything else I might want to say on this is probably better unsaid. I believe the scum are going to kill nesta maybe capy,but certainly one of the confirmed. You might take my hunch under advisement, Doc. Very surprised that Story would think otherwise.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 12:22:50 GMT -5
Six more hours. Rememberrrrrrrrrrrrrr...if there's another tie again, I will NOT use random.org. Instead, nobody will die toDay and it will be Night. Don't think I have to point this out, but we cannot have a tie.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 19, 2007 12:27:22 GMT -5
Six more hours. Rememberrrrrrrrrrrrrr...if there's another tie again, I will NOT use random.org. Instead, nobody will die toDay and it will be Night. Don't think I have to point this out, but we cannot have a tie. Sure we can, if not everybody votes. Vote NAF, for reasons I gave yesterday.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 13:02:36 GMT -5
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 13:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 13:10:02 GMT -5
Argh! My question Storyteller was pretty much from Reply 186: Storyteller: Why'd you unvote Pygmy? You mention the rapid buildup vs. Dotchan in your unvoting post, and that you agree with Mad, but then unvote Pygmy and just state you're not going to be voting for anyone. That confused me slightly.
The way I see it, there are groups or "pools of people" in my mind. I'm not sure why, but I feel they're linked somehow whenever I see their posts:
One is obv. the Geniuses- Capy-Nesta the other is MadtheSwine and StoryTeller. For some reason in the way you two argue, i feel you guys are together. And the third is the idea of the Dotchan,Pygmy, Diggit team. This is perhaps the team right now that I think is most scummy, but still. I feel like if one is scum, there is another scum around there somewhere too. Nafacandra sorta stands alone. I don't know what to make of him, and he could be scum, or he could be the perfect bait since he has so much suspicion. He's one that I just can't get a read on.
And MadtheSwine I disagree with your last comment that the Geniuses SHOULD be protected. I think at this point in the game, the scum know who they are, and they know the roles of 2 players as well, so then they can just try to guess among the remaining roles which one could be the doctor. I think the doctor SHOULD protect himself/herself, with an option to think about protecting a genius. But i'd rather have 3 confirmed townies by tomm morning, rather than 2 confirmed townies and a possible dead doctor. Your statement was a very ... not so townie statement to make. And it makes me more suspicious of you for it.
And i think i had another point... but i forgot it. Hmmm.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 19, 2007 13:10:10 GMT -5
NAF (4) - dotchan, storyteller0910, capybara, pygmyrugger dotchan (2) - Roosh, Mad the Swine
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 13:11:27 GMT -5
Ah! Yeah, the last point. WE MUST AVOID A TIE. Honestly, if i were scum in a hard place, that's the result i'd try to shoot for. So for that reason we've gotta avoid it. When does voting end and does anyone volunteer to be a tiebreaker by switching votes or something if that occurs? We should have an anti-tiebreaker plan or something
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 19, 2007 13:32:59 GMT -5
We should have an anti-tiebreaker plan or something. It depends on what everybody's timezones and availabilities are. Say, I dunno, an hour or so before the deadline, we use FoSes to determine what everyone's final opinions are, and then nesta or capy breaks the tie one way or another.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 13:46:19 GMT -5
We should have an anti-tiebreaker plan or something. It depends on what everybody's timezones and availabilities are. Say, I dunno, an hour or so before the deadline, we use FoSes to determine what everyone's final opinions are, and then nesta or capy breaks the tie one way or another. Uhh..no.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 19, 2007 13:50:06 GMT -5
It depends on what everybody's timezones and availabilities are. Say, I dunno, an hour or so before the deadline, we use FoSes to determine what everyone's final opinions are, and then nesta or capy breaks the tie one way or another. Uhh..no. Seriously. That sounds like it's a setup for a scum controlled vote at the end of the day, using the Geniuses as their pawns.
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Post by nesta on Aug 19, 2007 13:58:11 GMT -5
Vote NAF.
And I agree, above all else we must avoid a tie. Anyone who is around at the deadline should act accordingly.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 14:14:50 GMT -5
Vote NAF. And I agree, above all else we must avoid a tie. Anyone who is around at the deadline should act accordingly. I will most likely be here and will not allow a tie.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 19, 2007 14:17:41 GMT -5
NAF (5) - dotchan, storyteller0910, capybara, pygmyrugger, nesta dotchan (2) - Roosh, Mad the Swine
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 15:52:56 GMT -5
well right now there doesn't seem to be much chance of a tie, unless 3 of the 4 remaining votes all fall on Dotchan.... Though diggit hasn't voted yet, and he was one of the people i've had my eye on....
If Nafacandra turns out Scum, I will be quite surprised... mostly due to who's voting for him currently, as both of them were on my separate FOS lists. But what it'll mean, I'm not sure.... =( Malacandra was such a tricky player through the first few days, and now w/ NAF taking over... =\
What's NAF's defenses against his accusations? Or has he like Dotchan felt that he can't make a defense?
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 16:20:37 GMT -5
I believe the scum are going to kill nesta maybe capy,but certainly one of the confirmed. You might take my hunch under advisement, Doc. Very surprised that Story would think otherwise. I completely disagree. If the scum were surprised by either me or Nesta being masons, there is probably a short list over there of suspected power roles remaining and they may assume one on the list is the doc, and they may or may not be right. And if I were scum today I'd be trying to make sure the doctor didn't feel endangered. Six more hours. Rememberrrrrrrrrrrrrr...if there's another tie again, I will NOT use random.org. Instead, nobody will die toDay and it will be Night. Don't think I have to point this out, but we cannot have a tie. I completely agree. Although lynching town is worse than no lynch. . .
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 16:41:19 GMT -5
I believe the scum are going to kill nesta maybe capy,but certainly one of the confirmed. You might take my hunch under advisement, Doc. Very surprised that Story would think otherwise. I completely disagree. If the scum were surprised by either me or Nesta being masons, there is probably a short list over there of suspected power roles remaining and they may assume one on the list is the doc, and they may or may not be right. And if I were scum today I'd be trying to make sure the doctor didn't feel endangered. I understand the scum would like nothing more than to see another dead doc,but strategically, killing you or nesta has got to be the best move. I won't explain why, in case the scum haven't figured it out on by themselves,but if there is a veteran scum who knows what to do I am sure they have. Hell, even if they are all inexperienced noobs it shouldn't be that hard of a decision. Maybe story is scum and already knows who they are going to kill and the suggestion he made is trying to steer the doc away from protecting one of you.
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 17:15:40 GMT -5
Maybe story is scum and already knows who they are going to kill and the suggestion he made is trying to steer the doc away from protecting one of you. Fair 'nuff.
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 17:19:39 GMT -5
Where ARE the scum today, anyway? Very few votes today-- either the two votes for Dot or the three unconfirmed for NAF, or a mix of the two, but you'd think someone would be invested in this. I'd worry about the possibility of the runners-up both being town, but in that case it would have been the same with Mal and JSexton, and lots of people came out for that one.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 19, 2007 17:26:18 GMT -5
Where ARE the scum today, anyway? Very few votes today-- either the two votes for Dot or the three unconfirmed for NAF, or a mix of the two, but you'd think someone would be invested in this. I'd worry about the possibility of the runners-up both being town, but in that case it would have been the same with Mal and JSexton, and lots of people came out for that one. Im not sure what you are saying here. This part: either the two votes for Dot or the three unconfirmed for NAF, or a mix of the two,
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 17:27:28 GMT -5
even though killing a townie would be bad, It'd still reveal information. A no lynch is basically saying "hey Scum, how about YOU kill 2 people. We'll just wait here and not think about you guys. Go 'head! We'll even turn our backs to you".
So even if we lynch a townie, Capy, at least we know its one less possibility of non-scum, Capy. Otherwise the Scum just basically get an extra free night kill, while we get JackShyte.
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 17:27:43 GMT -5
Oh, just that there are very few players here that could be scum, which is statistically unlikely. Only five unconfirmed votes. I wonder if the scum are at the beach?
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 17:28:55 GMT -5
I don't know why i repeated your name 2x... I blame being Cuckoo right now. But does that reasoning make sense? I don't like the idea of a non-kill even more than the idea of lynching a townie.
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 17:29:15 GMT -5
even though killing a townie would be bad, It'd still reveal information. A no lynch is basically saying "hey Scum, how about YOU kill 2 people. We'll just wait here and not think about you guys. Go 'head! We'll even turn our backs to you". So even if we lynch a townie, Capy, at least we know its one less possibility of non-scum, Capy. Otherwise the Scum just basically get an extra free night kill, while we get JackShyte. Ok. Fair nuff. That makes sense. All info is good info. At least whichever one of these kids gets strung up, that's a mystery solved, one way or the other.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 17:29:33 GMT -5
Wow~! I'm a Gibbering Fool!
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 17:32:39 GMT -5
Anyways, yeah before i got cut off (using quick reply and hitting enter sometimes accidentally sends the message it seems) The other thing i found suspicious of both NAF and Dotchan: Neither one is defending themselves, in the past you guys (Dopers) have all had somewhat of a decent effort at defending yourselfs, or being willing to go to die, because then at least we'd see 100% that they're town, and thus it'd be helpful for the town, even if they died. I'd expect at least THAT much from NAF[/b. But he's been silent. Dotchan might be new, and therefore unwilling to die, but she's also strangely silent.
I mean, come on! If its your last day here, or looks like it, at least give us your thoughts, your ideas, Don't leave US hanging too! It's all strangely reminiscent of Drainbead's death on day 1.....
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 19, 2007 17:33:07 GMT -5
Gah! (>_<)
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Post by capybara on Aug 19, 2007 17:35:11 GMT -5
That is true-- if you think you are going to die and you're pro-town, at least take this opportunity to share your most insightful thoughts.
Oh, and there were 5 guests just now. . . hmm. watching and waiting. Or already dead.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Aug 19, 2007 18:06:49 GMT -5
Vote NAF
Right so I made it in time to vote.
I've got to apologise to everyone that my partcipation in the game has not been up where I expected or hoped it would be.
I'm finding it difficult to be fully involved due to the time difference. When I'm online and able to post there seems to be few others active and then I get up the next morning I find 3-4 pages of intense posts and chatting which has pretty much been wrapped up and it would be academic to weigh in. The difficulties of living in the antipodeas I suppose.
In regards to my vote, I've never bought the campaign aganst Dotchan, so out of the two to vote for I think NAF is the scummier of the two.
For the basis of my not buying Dotchan as scum, after I almost got lynched based on what amounted to grammatical nuances, I dislike suspicions based upon word choices, etc.
I find it highly unlikely that in a format where everyone can easily go over their posts with a fine tooth comb before posting that a scum would slip with something so simple. Dotchan's words were simply a personal style of writing that has been pounced on.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 19, 2007 18:14:54 GMT -5
This hadn't even occurred to me, although I wondered at the time what the point of saying something like that was, since it was too late to do any "good." Doctor, you might take Story's hunch under advisement. Nesta and I are not particularly important-- just confirmed town-- so do what you think is best for the town. Anything else I might want to say on this is probably better unsaid. I believe the scum are going to kill nesta maybe capy,but certainly one of the confirmed. You might take my hunch under advisement, Doc. Very surprised that Story would think otherwise. Feh. I categorically refuse to speculate further on what the scum will do tonight, or on what the best course of action for the Doctor might be. There is no benefit - none - in trying to nudge the Doctor in a particular direction in this case. Let the Doctor do as the Doctor thinks best.
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