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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 16:54:32 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 16:54:32 GMT -5
And again, capybara, you're leaving us hanging with your mysterious conspiracy story. If you want to help town, you've got to give the other players time to discuss and consider your ideas properly. There are less than 24 hours left in the Day.
What do you think, storyteller? Should I break out my brand new innocence-kit (copyright Idle Thoughts, 2007)?
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:03:27 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 17:03:27 GMT -5
Diggit. you are now scum 100% QED.
I'll show why after 12am. But I hope the masons can see why. If not, I'll explain then. gtg.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:07:40 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 17:07:40 GMT -5
Diggit. you are now scum 100% QED. I'll show why after 12am. But I hope the masons can see why. If not, I'll explain then. gtg. What's with the mystery posts toDay? Don't you get it? A "mystery post" helps no one but the psychos! If you have a theory it should be discussed openly, not hidden!
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:10:55 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 17:10:55 GMT -5
And right now I've thought of another thing: regardless of my status (and pygmy's=lying scum, pretending to be a Doctor), if you're 100% certain of your theory (3 scum left), and you're not scum yourself, storyteller, you have it pretty easy don't you?
I mean, you only need to vote for one of the other two (Blaster or Roosh) and that's that. Granted, it's a bit more difficult (in that scenario) for the geniuses or for me (who'd have, like you say, 2/3 chances to hit scum)...
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:14:41 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 28, 2007 17:14:41 GMT -5
Firstly: as far as I remember, from games past, the only real instance where scum was caught because they mistyped was because they called a Daytime lynch a kill, not because they called a Nighttime kill a lynch. But I may be mistaken. It was me. In M2 I was scum and called a night-kill a lynch, which the SK picked up on and killed me. Oops. Of course in M3 Cookies made the same slip, and as I'm sure you remember she wasn't scum. So it either means you're scum, or it doesn't.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:17:57 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 28, 2007 17:17:57 GMT -5
Diggit. you are now scum 100% QED. I'll show why after 12am. But I hope the masons can see why. If not, I'll explain then. gtg. I'm still undecided between diggit and pygmy, and I'm not sure what you're getting at. Please explain.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:23:28 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 17:23:28 GMT -5
Diggit. you are now scum 100% QED. I'll show why after 12am. But I hope the masons can see why. If not, I'll explain then. gtg. I'm still undecided between diggit and pygmy, and I'm not sure what you're getting at. Please explain. He'll tell you after 12 am. What timezone? Don't know. Why not now? Don't know. However, since capybara hasn't had time to disclose her krazy konspiracy theory and you two have a discussion forum to yourselves, could you disclose that theory? I mean, if she has written anything about it on your board, that is.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:40:58 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 28, 2007 17:40:58 GMT -5
<snip> 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. 2. I agree with that stance. Actually I'd go one step further: if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. If it happens toDay, we'll be playing into the psycho's hands (a mis-lynch toDay was what they were counting on) Right now, point 1 has two detractors: pygmy and Roosh. Since I'm convinced it is the best thing the town can do and it's precisely what they are, strongly, arguing against, <snip> Whoah, slow down a bit there buddy. Kindly point out where I'm, strongly, arguing against not lynching you today. All I've said about the matter is that I know you're scum, and lynching you would be good. I have also said that I don't know what to make of the other three unknowns. You, on the other hand, seem to be patting story on the back quite a bit, while lambasting Roosh and BlaM. I'm not sure if it's because story says he believes your claim, or because he's your partner in crime, or if it's because you're trying to frame him when you are revealed. Your posts today have been very grasping, especially your point 2. It makes me think there are definitely 3 scum left. Otherwise, you wouldn't "volunteer" yourself up like that, "if we get a Psyco today". Another example of your grasping: ... and who are those two or three people who supposedly know your vote "is on scum right now" yet want to change it? Umm... the scum? I'm willing to go after the group of 3, but I don't know which one to vote for. You seem so certain, which is even more evidence for the rest of the town that you have an agenda today.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:43:43 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 28, 2007 17:43:43 GMT -5
However, since capybara hasn't had time to disclose her krazy konspiracy theory and you two have a discussion forum to yourselves, could you disclose that theory? I mean, if she has written anything about it on your board, that is. She thinks the scum had a super-secret recruitment ability and that I've been recruited, and she keeps quoting me on the genius board pointing out scum-tells. I think it was her that was recruited. Not really. I'll let her explain it if she wants to. I actually advised her against posting about it anymore because I don't think it's likely and there's no reason to muddy the waters more than they already are.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:48:22 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 17:48:22 GMT -5
<snip> 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. 2. I agree with that stance. Actually I'd go one step further: if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. If it happens toDay, we'll be playing into the psycho's hands (a mis-lynch toDay was what they were counting on) Right now, point 1 has two detractors: pygmy and Roosh. Since I'm convinced it is the best thing the town can do and it's precisely what they are, strongly, arguing against, <snip> Whoah, slow down a bit there buddy. Kindly point out where I'm, strongly, arguing against not lynching you today. All I've said about the matter is that I know you're scum, and lynching you would be good. (snip) ummm... what? I said 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. (by which I mean, of course, Blaster Master and storyteller's stances) 2. Point 1 has two main detractors (in other words, two players who are against it): pygmy and Roosh. I'm not saying you are arguing against lynching me toDay. I'm saying you are for lynching me toDay (which is obvious. The psychos--your--plan was to provoke a lynch of the Doctor by false claiming). Of course you want me to get lynched toDay. Otherwise your plan fails.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 17:50:48 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 17:50:48 GMT -5
However, since capybara hasn't had time to disclose her krazy konspiracy theory and you two have a discussion forum to yourselves, could you disclose that theory? I mean, if she has written anything about it on your board, that is. She thinks the scum had a super-secret recruitment ability and that I've been recruited, and she keeps quoting me on the genius board pointing out scum-tells. I think it was her that was recruited. Not really. I'll let her explain it if she wants to. I actually advised her against posting about it anymore because I don't think it's likely and there's no reason to muddy the waters more than they already are. Thanks. I guess I'll see it after the game ends, then. As for the other "super-revelatory" posts... well, I hope they get posted sometime soon. But don't count on it.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 18:05:12 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 28, 2007 18:05:12 GMT -5
diggit, I'll say it again, and this time, I'll type slowly. I'm not against lynching one of the three unknowns. I just don't know who to vote for out of the three of them. You seem to be so sure. I don't understand how.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 18:29:14 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Aug 28, 2007 18:29:14 GMT -5
diggit, I'll say it again, and this time, I'll type slowly. I'm not against lynching one of the three unknowns. I just don't know who to vote for out of the three of them. You seem to be so sure. I don't understand how. ...and why you're condescending? You did say I was answering your question. You are contradicting yourself. You're: 1. Arguing to lynch me 2. Arguing to lynch one of the three You obviously would know which of the three to lynch, since you are scum. But you yourself asked me to point out where you were strongly arguing against not lynching me toDay. The point is that you are arguing to lynch me, whether you "type it up slowly" or "type it up quickly". Of course I don't know with any certainty which of the three to lynch. I don't know their alignment. But Roosh's switch from believing it to be a good idea to lynch one of the unknown three to lynching one of the Doctor claimants (on a very flimsy ground, which just yesterDay proved very dangerous) added to his statement that I'm a proven psycho, without backing it up, makes him the best candidate (in my mind) for a lynch. Well, you would be the best candidate, since you are a psycho, but only you, me and your psycho buddies know that for certain.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 18:33:55 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 28, 2007 18:33:55 GMT -5
diggitcamara (2) - pygmyrugger, Roosh Roosh (1) - diggitcamara
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 18:42:31 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 28, 2007 18:42:31 GMT -5
Okay, now that that's done, I can focus... I'm going to TRY to trim down the response this time, but I won't make any guarantee. This is a very interesting theory. 'Course, I'm not scum, so I know it's not true, but then, you didn't put it out there for my benefit, did you? This is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis except for the fact that it works just as well in reverse - with you as scum as me as your "unsuspected" cover. It is therefore valueless. It's four paragraphs of total speculation, unburdened by any need for facts or reasoning. To clarify, this is in response to a theory about why both Storyteller and I are alive. Anyway, this is a good point. Obviously, I cannot convince anyone else of my certainty of my sanity, which is a premise of this argument. However, the main point, before I rambled on my conspiracy theory, is that your argument about how I have generated little suspicion is a sign of me being the "survivor" scum is the same kind of reasoning that the pirates used in M4 specifically for NOT targetting me. This is also along similar lines for why you, as scum in M2, left sturmhauke alive, because the he was suspicious, if only for not having been killed yet. The scum CAN'T kill all of the experienced/low suspicion players, but they obviously did target some (whether because of reads on power roles, or otherwise, doesn't matter)... Hockey Monkey and Hal Briston were at least experienced, dnooman was pretty well considered town even if he hadn't claimed genius yet, GreedySmurf was inexperienced but had had little suspicion since the first Day, and MadThe Swine had dropped on at least a few suspicion lists (including mine and yours). Those are the five dead specifically targetted by the scum. Why wasn't I among them? Why weren't you among them? Hell, why wasn't capybara among them, who also seemed to have little suspicion prior to her claim? Now, I know you didn't mention experience as part of this, but it seems logical to me to expect that the scum would want want experienced and unsuspected players out of the game for similar reasons, the only difference is suspicion is more abstract and less quantifiable and the next best thing, purely from a game-mechanics perspective, to targetting a confirmed townie. Okay, so I rambled on for four or five paragraphs again... I just hope I made my point. It's not handwaving. I know I'm a townie, and you "know" the same thing. As you point out, part of it is that these arguments DO make me suspicious of you because of the definite knowledge that I have. However, I think the most important point is something I alluded to and assumed was known, but didn't specifically say, so I'll say it explicitly. If your argument against me can apply to you by simply switching whose certainty of their towniness, then how is it the least bit convincing to any of the observers? From an information theory perspective, our goal is to obtain 19 bits of information (that is, for each person, his alignment). Obviously, it some exceptions, each of us starts out with 1 bit of information (about ourselves) and .5 for each other person (that is, no ability to distinguish a certainty one way or the other), leveraging the information we gain about others, we can create arguments that are essentially multiplicative of these certainties (that with reference to informational entropy). Now, arguments that affect both of us don't affect our relative fuzziness to other observers (because they don't have the certainty that we do about ourselves), but what it DOES do, is collectively affect BOTH of us relative to the everyone else. IOW, I'm not saying "it's not suspicious because it applies to you, too"; I'm saying "if it is suspicious, then you're suspicious for the same reason". Couple that with my certainty of my own sanity, and the argument has hurt you in my eyes, and not helped you all all in anyone elses. As far as the quote from Roosh, fair point; I did not recall that post. One post that did stick in my mind, and thus affected my characterization was one in which did essentially fit the description I gave. Now, I don't really feel like going through 300+ of Roosh's post, but I can if you don't recall and want me to find it. Okay, fair enough. Honestly, I'd have to go back and re-read several lengthy posts to remind myself, exactly what I thought I was seeing, and I think it's largely irrelevant now because of the Doc situation. This is a result of a loss of context. I think that a pretty standard scum tactic is to throw mud, and see where it sticks. I also think this is true in more precarious positions. It is entirely possible that he knew he was in trouble, and had to find another candidate. Again, knowing I'm not scum, I know it wasn't because of the reason you claim. But I CAN point out a case, from M3 where both fluiddruid and Lemur "found" SnakesCatLady "suspicious" in their final defenses. This played a fairly large role in her incorrect lynching. Now, I think NAF probably saw me as largely unsuspected, but saw an excellent opportunity, after you openned the door, in which to FOS me. I think he dropped it because no one else picked it up and ran with it. I suspect that, had someone else followed it up with a FOS or vote, he probably would have found plenty more reason to jump in. This is the result of a lack of clarity on my part. Yes you brought it up again, but not on the same Day. My point was that I think it was dropped for the rest of the day because you're both scum and both pushing for my lynch, and no townies jump in to help... first of all, it won't succeed, and second of all, you have no cover. I think, soon thereafter, it became apparent that I wouldn't challenge NAF for the "honor" of being lynched so it was simply dropped and another fall person was pursued instead. You're right. I keep forgetting about Day two, probably because I wasn't around for the lynch of cowgirl, and I somehow have the whole JSexton/MHaye thing in my head as Day Two, and NAF showing up in that, but not getting lynched until Day Four. Either way, yes, my mistake, I withdraw that point. OKAY, I understand the miscommunication now. What I was trying to draw a point between "claim first thing in the morning" and "claim 30 minutes before dusk". An example of this would be my claiming Vigilante in M2, when it became apparent I would be lynched, even though there was still quite a bit left in the day IIRC. A similar example is (I think) Hockey Monkey's claim of Alchemist with more than 24 hours to go in the day in MV. My view is that, obviously, it hurts the town to wait until the last minute to claim. I also think claiming first thing (with certain exceptions) minimizes the effectiveness of a claim because I think it's entirely possible that scum could reveal or at least limit themselves in some fashion with an argument against someone whose role is unknown (for instance, by inadvertantly claiming vanilla townie, which would make a counter-claim on their part very difficult to believe later). IOW, what I was TRYING to argue for was an in between case... wait to claim but, make sure your claim comes with plenty of time to go to evaluate and determine it's veracity. Okay, here's my issue with that as a tell: it's just not my play style to go looking for new suspicion, either someone already is suspicious or I've got a niggling suspicion. Unless something REALLY sticks out to me when I'm reading through, I'm generally going to analyze the top suspects first, then deal with any niggling unsubstantiated suspicion; I can't recall a time where I didn't at least have a niggling suspicion of someone. Hence, the "new suspect" posts like the ones I did against kivvik and Lakai in M2 and against NAF and Gadarene in M4. Further, once I HAVE a suspicion of a couple of people, I'm going to continue to pursue it until they're either dead or something occurs that changes my mind. Either way, as I said already, I am unsure, but I think I likely was one of the first to specifically FOS cowgirl (in combination with Malacandra and a slight one on Hockey Monkey) on Day One. What can I say, I don't have an explanation for her absence. I would think it's just as likely that she stopped participating because she felt it was over. However, as I've said time and again, I think it's poor form to simply NOT participate. Considering that, I think it's overly meta-gamey and presumptuous to assume she's not participating for any reason OTHER than simply a lack of ability to post for whatever reason. Well, what else would be the design of a scum voting for scum on Day One BUT to look pro-town? I don't think it was unreasonable to give you a few bonus points for that, as I'm sure almost everyone did for you, and me for that matter. Now it's pattently clear that either you (or Roosh or possibly both) are scum, so that initial reaction is clearly wrong, so my "downgrade [of you] from 'probably town'" was a reference to a removal of those bonus points. And really, is my reciprocal suspicion really so odd? I mean, it's not like I didn't suspect Queuing and Gadarene in M2 and Capybara in M4 (the only people to ever really suspect me). And, no, it's not opportunism on my part either. I think it's more the fact that those who accuse me bring themselves to my attention. To be honest, I don't remember what I was thinking. I could have been unaware of the time (happens to me alot, for instance, I didn't realize how long I'd been working on this post until this thought made me check). Perhaps I knew that I wouldn't be around that weekend, but wasn't conscious to the idea that the Day would end before I'd get to post again. Or perhaps I thought I WOULD be able to post that weekend, but didn't have to opportunity. I said that, because that's exactly what I thought, that it was either a vote at Drainbead, or a poke in the barrel at Hockey Monkey, cowgirl, or Malacandra. Either way, I suspect this entire point wouldn't have even been brought up HAD I been able to post again. You're welcome. Fair point. I can't argue with the perception, even if it is meta-gamey, that's a very subjective matter. More specifically, does my "intensity" in the mhaye debacle match my "intensity" in this particular issue with you, Storyteller? Then I suppose it's just a difference of personality and play style. I'm very competitive (just ask my fianceé, she's always complaining about it), and I'm not going to simply let myself be removed from the game without putting up a fight. That said, I DO understand and appreciate the "in the best interest of the town" concept, and I try to live up to it, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to roll over either. IMO, meta-gaming issues aside, it was poor timing on mhaye's part to drop that bomb during the run-off and it was a poor choice on JSexton's part to end the discussion there by considering either me or mhaye as his target. I think the town would have been better served if either mhaye had brought that up earlier in the Day or if JSexton had chosen another target and worked it out the next Day. Fair enough, it is your impression, and there's no arguing against that. I'll leave that determination up to the observers. And, on preview, I see I'm a liar. I tried to condense some of the points together, but I'm still excessively wordy...
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 19:01:59 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 28, 2007 19:01:59 GMT -5
Okay, well I'm out, likely for the evening, since anything else pretty much pends on Roosh's promised proof that Diggit is definitely scum or capybara's theory.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 19:35:49 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Aug 28, 2007 19:35:49 GMT -5
*twiddles thumbs*
*one falls off*
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 20:05:15 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Aug 28, 2007 20:05:15 GMT -5
*twiddles thumbs* *one falls off* You...uhhh...gonna eat that?
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 20:16:46 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 28, 2007 20:16:46 GMT -5
Ok, here we are.
A) I have been cleaning an apartment all afternoon, so bite me. A homebrew exploded in the freezer and made for a whole project in itself.
B) I apologize in advance for the treatise ahead.
C) Diggit's worked out, more or less, what's in my magic bag, and the most concerned parties have cut me off at the pass discounting it as bonkers, but meanwhile held off on doing anything until I coughed it up. Fair enough.
I'm curious to see what especially Blaster and Roosh make of this theory when they come around. But even if I'm right the scum will share that I'm clearly bonkers, and it's such a crazy idea (so crazy, that it might work!) that the other town won't buy it, so I might as well share as an exercise in fictional narrative.
I've just re-read the day and shots are basically being called by Storyteller.
After having discussed Blaster's scumminess in great detail (Interested Third Party #1), very helpful Obviously Town and Trusted Player notes, oh, dear, the doctor should claim soon!
A person in a rough spot (Interested Third Party #1) says, I agree, mathematically, but I vote for X.
Ah, yes, but you're scum, reminds Mr Trusted.
"Ahoy", says a docktor, some time later, "*I* have a degree in physick! How can I help?"
"Oh, no," says doktor B 10 minutes later, "*I* am the only doctor in This Town! And look, I even shared this interesting fact on the first day!"
Snipe, snipe, mutual snipe etc. Softball question, softball question, from the Helpful Town.
Not-quite-so softball questions from Interested Third Party #1.
Helpful Town fishes towards Roosh (Interested Third Party #2).
Snipe, snipe, and some frankly confusing reluctance by doctor B to vote for doktor A, which continues throughout the day, which is odd since doktor A should be the only player doktor B KNOWS is scum.
Interested Third Party #1 does the math and sees what's been set up all along, that it WOULD CLEARLY BE MUCH BETTER TO NOT BOTHER THESE TWO DOCTORS AND INSTEAD GO FOR THE OTHER GUYS.
Quick detailed agreement from a Helpful Player with a lot of detail for the way forward out of this clear quagmire.
THESE ARE NOT THE DROIDS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. MOVE ALONG.
Doktor B agrees, which he clearly should not do. He knows one scum 100%, why risk a 66% guess?
Doktor B helps the case against Blaster started by Helpful Player.
Doktor A pops in to reaffirm that he's a doktor.
Other interested third party (#2) comes in with a novella. Getting a tad confused-- comes up with the same math already arrived at by the group.
Conspiracy Nerd no longer convinced by the math and starting to think something fishy's going on, but needs to spackle holes in the baseboard chewed by parrot.
Interested Third Party #2 thinks he's hit something good. Useful Townperson again reaffirms that, no, silly townie, we have to vote for one of THESE guys. Preferably THIS one. Oh, and you're a pain in the ass as well.
Doktor B, of all people (who should again be pushing for doktor A's lynching) agrees again. By voting for me, he notes, you're being a terrible person and losing 'us' the game.
Helpful Town tears into Interested Third Party #1 again in a Frank Herbert-length post. We get the picture. You think BM's scum.
Doktor B guesses what's in my magic bag, but it's clearly ludicrous. Of course it is. Useful Townsperson is interested to know exactly how I got to that insane conclusion. Doktor B affirms, yes, it IS certainly a loony proposition, isn't it? Let's cut that right out of the realm of possibilities right now. Oh, yes, it's mad.Don't you think?
"an .... invalid... theory because the Doctor could simply sit back, relax and watch as the town lynches one of the two impostors (IMHO the most likely outcome)."
Yeah, except that the two people leading the discourse today have made the (really decent suggestion, if this is all above board) compelling argument that we need to lynch anybody BUT these guys.
Interested Third Party #2 comes in again and gets picked to pieces for going against the grain and voting for a doktor.
Interested Third Party #1 pops in for a microsecond leaving no trace.
Useful Town continues the crusade against Interested Third Party #1
Doktor #2 UNVOTES DR #1 AND VOTES FOR THIRD PARTY #2.
THAT is a guess, at best. A vote for Dr #1 is a certainty. Why oh why?! For going against the grain of the 'lynch one of the other guys" thread.
And that's as far as I've gotten.
Implications: the "66% percent chance" is actually 33% and less because we're being led by a rope to lynch BM, under the idea that lynching a doktor is far too risky.
We leave both docs alone and they don't have to fear repercussions tomorrow because this is the last day of the game. This is sheer endgame all-or-nothing balls.
WHY do I think this? This is, if we lynch wrong, the last day. Over on the nerd board we've been trying to figure out how we could take advantage of the daytime chat and allof that-- what elaborate scheme we could try out.
This is EXACTLY the kind of the thing the scum can do, and even if someone worked it out everyone else would know that they were clearly bonkers. It's an unverifiable hunch that I will be mocked for (no doubt by precisely the parties most interested). If Roosh or Blaster claims we're in for a hell of a ride, and the scum know this. If there is a third, real doctor, he's in a very difficult spot. If he did claim right now who would believe him? He might wait until he's in a pickle, which very well may happen-- he claims, and chances are either gets lynched as a liar or someone dies tonight.
The scum CAN control this discourse, you see.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 20:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 28, 2007 20:45:43 GMT -5
Nobody is currently "Bonkers" anymore, actually.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 22:28:23 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 22:28:23 GMT -5
I'm back. Sorry if my last post was a bit Jerkish (IMHO it was, so i apoligize for that). I was late for my night classes (T&R&Saturdays too) and I'm gone till about 11-12am depending on traffic, but they start at 7pm EST. Though in other posts I've mentioned the EST, but that's a non-issue. I just read Diggit's post and was very upset and pleased that i've discovered scum, but the problem was that I was late already for the class. But again, that's just excuses. I'm sorry for that, I'll try to avoid it. And the QED was really bad on my part. I was being an arse there. =( I just always wanted to say that. Anyways, lemme read these threads now, and make my point before I go to bed and go back to morning classes MWF (from 7am till about 6pm If you REALLY want to know.... And on thursdays I'm gone from 11am till 11pm anyways for morning AND night classes. Why, EMT Classes (night) and extra college credit courses for those really curiously wanting to be in the know.)
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 22:32:16 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 22:32:16 GMT -5
Okay, Capy, you're asking me to claim. But I'm not sure what. Unless it's "We're in for a hell of a ride" then yes. We've been on a hell of a ride. but anyways. Read over now. Time to address Diggit, Pygmy, BM/ST (not so much), and Masons (who i really hope are unified. At least trust EACH OTHER Or else we're doomed) Anyways. New post So I can actually focus.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 22:53:08 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 22:53:08 GMT -5
Firstly: as far as I remember, from games past, the only real instance where scum was caught because they mistyped was because they called a Daytime lynch a kill, not because they called a Nighttime kill a lynch. But I may be mistaken. On the other hand, Mad and me (mainly) were fooled by what we thought a scum-tell post (against dotchan). Both Mad and dotchan are confirmed town. Anyone who bases his/her strategy on a similar (and, in my eyes, far weaker supposed slip) has not learned from the past. After Roosh's long, long, long posts (which, to me read, in summary like this: "I'm convinced Diggit is scum and no one and nothing will dissuade me from it", I have to say: 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. 2. I agree with that stance. Actually I'd go one step further: if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. If it happens toDay, we'll be playing into the psycho's hands (a mis-lynch toDay was what they were counting on) Right now, point 1 has two detractors: pygmy and Roosh. Since I'm convinced it is the best thing the town can do and it's precisely what they are, strongly, arguing against, I'll unvote pygmy vote Roosh See, when I made my QED post, I really only read 2 lines of that whole thing. I thought EVERYONE else would see it as well, and hoped that others would put together the pieces by the time I got back. Then while driving off to class, it hit me.... This little bit of extra information is being provided to me: Who will pick up the hint? Will anyone? If there is another townie in BM or ST, I'm SURE that one of them (okay, I was thinking storyteller) would see the obvious slip-up in here and point it out. So that when I come back, I'd be able to go Ah-Ha! Here is another townie who also has seen the light and KNOWS what's going on. But I came back to not so much on this. It's kinda been ignored. Maybe no one saw it, but me? Maybe people saw it, and wanted to ignore it? Well what was said afterwards?
Reply 92- Diggit points out that I just left, and only said 12am. Wonders what's with the mystery. Reply 93- Diggit- Calls out StoryTeller, Goading him into trying to vote between BM and Roosh. Why not just say me? You're voting for me... why not tell him to vote for Just me?A Quote of yours from that post by you: "Granted, it's a bit more difficult (in that scenario) for the geniuses or for me (who'd have, like you say, 2/3 chances to hit scum)..."
I'll come back to it. For now I'll refer to it as Quote #1. Sorry I suck at this computer posting language. Reply 96- Diggit asks Nesta about the crazy Conspiracy Theory of Capy. Diggit sure is a curious little fellow, isn't he?
Okay, that's not scummy or anything. But i just wanted to say that. Reply 97- Pygmy- Uncertain on the 3 to vote for. Reply 99- Diggit states: "1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. (by which I mean, of course, Blaster Master and storyteller's stances) 2. Point 1 has two main detractors (in other words, two players who are against it): pygmy and Roosh."Reply 102- Diggit- Says more stuff to pygmy. Quote #2: Of course I don't know with any certainty which of the three to lynch. I don't know their alignment. But Roosh's switch from believing it to be a good idea to lynch one of the unknown three to lynching one of the Doctor claimants (on a very flimsy ground, which just yesterDay proved very dangerous) added to his statement that I'm a proven psycho, without backing it up, makes him the best candidate (in my mind) for a lynch. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gonna ignore the last couple posts, Zombies, Capy, and More from BM, but not addressing anything about Diggit. Anyways. Here's the thing: WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS TOWN? ? ? ? That's it? That's all we've done today? No other big discussions- Just you Diggit telling people "hey, we gotta vote between one of the three people today, cuz voting a doctor would be fatal for the town!" (see quote #2 of yours, first 2 sentences: Of course I don't know with any certainty which of the three to lynch. I don't know their alignment.) I'd also like to point to quote #1 by you: " Granted, it's a bit more difficult (in that scenario) for the geniuses or for me (who'd have, like you say, 2/3 chances to hit scum)..." And then why not just go to your main post where you vote for me: Let's add another Diggit Quote from there: 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. 2. I agree with that stance. Actually I'd go one step further: if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. If it happens toDay, we'll be playing into the psycho's hands (a mis-lynch toDay was what they were counting on) ~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay. Those 3 quotes. does ANYONE. ANYONE else not see the scumminess behind it? Or at least the flawed Logic/Math/SANITY of it? Blah, I'm losing myself. Time to make a new post discussing those 3 quotes. Cuz they're VERY important. So consider this the Data post. Next up is my thoughts post: (and i don't wanna misclick and lose my freaking posts either)
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:04:38 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 28, 2007 23:04:38 GMT -5
Okay, Capy, I appreciate the effort with the whole legalese, but it's really hard to understand your theory because of that... I've read it through twice, so I'm going to try to summarize before I respond:
We are in a LoL situation and Storyteller, Diggit, and Pygmy are all scum. The psychos have either determined that there is no doctor or gambit that their claim and counter-claim against eachother are enough to make the real doctor go "WTF?" and not be a third counter claimant. This was done with the knowledge that they need only one false lynch to win and by claiming and counterclaiming eachother, it would be logical NOT to lynch either of them and lynch in the other three thinking we have a 2/3 chance for a lynch, but actually having a 1/3 chance which puts them in a nice position, as long as we stay away from the doctor claimers because we're too scared.
Assuming I have the gist of it, it is an interesting theory, but it leaves me with a few questions. Assuming it is true, what does this mean about the doctor? Does this mean you think either Roosh or I am the doctor and we're laying low not sure what to do? Or do you think maybe because of an added power role like the bingo master that maybe the doctor was left off the bill all together?
Also, I'm kind of at a loss of how to test this theory. Let's say we do lynch Storyteller today and one of the doc claimers tomorrow and both show up as scum, and there's still one more scum left. Presumably, the scum would target the two of you (geniuses) and it would leave it down to me, and Roosh, and the other doctor claimer on...as far as for me (and Roosh, from his perspective, assuming he's town for the sake of argument), I'd then have no way to determine if you were right or wrong, and if Roosh or the other doctor was scum. And the townies can't afford to split their votes at that point.
Perhaps expected but, without a third doctor's claim or good reason to think there was no doctor to begin with, it's hard to believe two scum are counter-claiming eachother. However, I'm going to give it some more thought...
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:19:25 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Aug 28, 2007 23:19:25 GMT -5
Welll, Roosh, if I had to guess at what you're trying to point out, it would be his insistence that there's three scum left by virtue of the 2/3 chance, but then be willing to get lynched Tomorrow, which would only not immediately end the game (assuming he is pro-town) if there's only two scum left which seems to contradict his earlier post. Either way, it's a good point.
So Diggit, can you clarify how many scum you think are left? If you think there's only two, then you should concede that you think there's a better chance of lynching scum by picking between you and Pygmy and you shouldn't be voting for Roosh. If you think there's three left, I can understand your vote, but not your seeming willingness to martyr yourself to prove your the doctor, because you should then know that would end the game.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:24:09 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Aug 28, 2007 23:24:09 GMT -5
OK, both Blaster and Roosh have expressed disbelief about capy's theory. For the record, I would appreciate it if you both disclaim being the doctor so we can lynch you if you claim later. I will also find your lack of reply to this scummy, because I'm an asshole like that. Storyteller has already claimed vanilla town, so if he claims a lynch should quickly follow.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:35:08 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 28, 2007 23:35:08 GMT -5
Ok, here we are. A) I have been cleaning an apartment all afternoon, so bite me. A homebrew exploded in the freezer and made for a whole project in itself. B) I apologize in advance for the treatise ahead. C) Diggit's worked out, more or less, what's in my magic bag, and the most concerned parties have cut me off at the pass discounting it as bonkers, but meanwhile held off on doing anything until I coughed it up. Fair enough. I'm curious to see what especially Blaster and Roosh make of this theory when they come around. But even if I'm right the scum will share that I'm clearly bonkers, and it's such a crazy idea (so crazy, that it might work!) that the other town won't buy it, so I might as well share as an exercise in fictional narrative. I've just re-read the day and shots are basically being called by Storyteller. After having discussed Blaster's scumminess in great detail (Interested Third Party #1), very helpful Obviously Town and Trusted Player notes, oh, dear, the doctor should claim soon! A person in a rough spot (Interested Third Party #1) says, I agree, mathematically, but I vote for X. Ah, yes, but you're scum, reminds Mr Trusted. "Ahoy", says a docktor, some time later, "*I* have a degree in physick! How can I help?" "Oh, no," says doktor B 10 minutes later, "*I* am the only doctor in This Town! And look, I even shared this interesting fact on the first day!" Snipe, snipe, mutual snipe etc. Softball question, softball question, from the Helpful Town. Not-quite-so softball questions from Interested Third Party #1. Helpful Town fishes towards Roosh (Interested Third Party #2). Snipe, snipe, and some frankly confusing reluctance by doctor B to vote for doktor A, which continues throughout the day, which is odd since doktor A should be the only player doktor B KNOWS is scum. Interested Third Party #1 does the math and sees what's been set up all along, that it WOULD CLEARLY BE MUCH BETTER TO NOT BOTHER THESE TWO DOCTORS AND INSTEAD GO FOR THE OTHER GUYS. Quick detailed agreement from a Helpful Player with a lot of detail for the way forward out of this clear quagmire. THESE ARE NOT THE DROIDS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. MOVE ALONG. Doktor B agrees, which he clearly should not do. He knows one scum 100%, why risk a 66% guess? Doktor B helps the case against Blaster started by Helpful Player. Doktor A pops in to reaffirm that he's a doktor. Other interested third party (#2) comes in with a novella. Getting a tad confused-- comes up with the same math already arrived at by the group. Conspiracy Nerd no longer convinced by the math and starting to think something fishy's going on, but needs to spackle holes in the baseboard chewed by parrot. Interested Third Party #2 thinks he's hit something good. Useful Townperson again reaffirms that, no, silly townie, we have to vote for one of THESE guys. Preferably THIS one. Oh, and you're a pain in the ass as well. Doktor B, of all people (who should again be pushing for doktor A's lynching) agrees again. By voting for me, he notes, you're being a terrible person and losing 'us' the game. Helpful Town tears into Interested Third Party #1 again in a Frank Herbert-length post. We get the picture. You think BM's scum. Doktor B guesses what's in my magic bag, but it's clearly ludicrous. Of course it is. Useful Townsperson is interested to know exactly how I got to that insane conclusion. Doktor B affirms, yes, it IS certainly a loony proposition, isn't it? Let's cut that right out of the realm of possibilities right now. Oh, yes, it's mad.Don't you think? "an .... invalid... theory because the Doctor could simply sit back, relax and watch as the town lynches one of the two impostors (IMHO the most likely outcome)." Yeah, except that the two people leading the discourse today have made the (really decent suggestion, if this is all above board) compelling argument that we need to lynch anybody BUT these guys. Interested Third Party #2 comes in again and gets picked to pieces for going against the grain and voting for a doktor. Interested Third Party #1 pops in for a microsecond leaving no trace. Useful Town continues the crusade against Interested Third Party #1 Doktor #2 UNVOTES DR #1 AND VOTES FOR THIRD PARTY #2. THAT is a guess, at best. A vote for Dr #1 is a certainty. Why oh why?! For going against the grain of the 'lynch one of the other guys" thread. And that's as far as I've gotten. Implications: the "66% percent chance" is actually 33% and less because we're being led by a rope to lynch BM, under the idea that lynching a doktor is far too risky. We leave both docs alone and they don't have to fear repercussions tomorrow because this is the last day of the game. This is sheer endgame all-or-nothing balls. WHY do I think this? This is, if we lynch wrong, the last day. Over on the nerd board we've been trying to figure out how we could take advantage of the daytime chat and allof that-- what elaborate scheme we could try out. This is EXACTLY the kind of the thing the scum can do, and even if someone worked it out everyone else would know that they were clearly bonkers. It's an unverifiable hunch that I will be mocked for (no doubt by precisely the parties most interested). If Roosh or Blaster claims we're in for a hell of a ride, and the scum know this. If there is a third, real doctor, he's in a very difficult spot. If he did claim right now who would believe him? He might wait until he's in a pickle, which very well may happen-- he claims, and chances are either gets lynched as a liar or someone dies tonight. The scum CAN control this discourse, you see. Did you ever have that feeling like someone is ripping into you, and you can tell they're targeting you, but you can't exactly figure out what they're saying? I have that feeling now. capy, I am fairly sure that you are either criticizing my approach to the Day or accusing me of something. I don't know what. Near as I can tell, I am suddenly suspicious because I have posted frequently, expressed strategic opinions, and written one long post on the subject of Blaster Master. Is this correct? If you're going to swing around and come after me, that's perfectly fine, but I'd appreciate a bit of clarity on the subject of why. I also don't understand a blessed word of Roosh's argument. It is possible that I am losing my mind. Here's what I think, though. capy's theory - near as I can interpret it - could be correct, I guess. The thing is, I can invent a clever story that would explain literally any combination of remaining scum. You can't work that way, because you'll paralyze yourself. All I can do at this point is figure out who I think is most likely to be scum (point to be made in the next post; I apologize if this is all a bit Frank Herbert for your taste, capy, but I had developed an idea that sharing ideas was the point of this game). If there are two scum claiming Doctor, then I have no freaking idea what the real Doctor is doing at this point. I am not the Doctor. Blaster Master, whatever else he may be, is either not the Doctor or is a certified madman for failing to claim during the JSexton brouhaha. I don't think Roosh is the Doctor, as he appears to have no idea what you are suggesting.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:42:12 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Aug 28, 2007 23:42:12 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't expect anyone to actually bother thinking seriously about that theory. Assuming I have the gist of it, it is an interesting theory, but it leaves me with a few questions. Assuming it is true, what does this mean about the doctor? Does this mean you think either Roosh or I am the doctor and we're laying low not sure what to do? Yes, that's what I was suggesting-- you've read the theory correctly. In this theory (just a theory, ala Kansas Evolution) you or Roosh would have been doctor. If so, what should we do, as for testing the theory? No idea. But I gotta go to sleep-- sorry I haven't been keeping up well but it was a harsh day IRL. Meanwhile I'm tempted (knowing my cockamamie theory is largely untestable and likely to look loony) to vote again for Diggit for inconsistency and strange decisions within today's play. How many scum DO you think there are, D? Why aren't you voting for Pygmy, Dig? You know he's scum, right? Shouldn't you be arguing for this certain thing?
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:44:18 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 23:44:18 GMT -5
Okay. My thoughts now on the Diggit Quotes: 1."Of course I don't know with any certainty which of the three to lynch. I don't know their alignment." -Diggit. 2. "Granted, it's a bit more difficult (in that scenario) for the geniuses or for me (who'd have, like you say, 2/3 chances to hit scum)..." -Diggit 3. 1. Most players (whose alignment isn't known) agree with the stance that it would be actually beneficial to lynch someone outside me and the false Doctor. 2. I agree with that stance. Actually I'd go one step further: if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. If it happens toDay, we'll be playing into the psycho's hands (a mis-lynch toDay was what they were counting on) -Diggit. Let me try to explain my thoughts, which are going crazy here. 1.A I am a townie. For me I have a choice: 50-50 between 2 doctors (where a random mislynch WOULD indeed screw over the town. Because we'd be dead w/o the doctor, and we'd lose another townie overnight, making the total down to 5. If there are 3 scum, they win. If there are 2, they just need one more mislynch to win. BM and ST (if they're town) would see themselves as having this fatal choice too. They too would have to pick between 50-50 for the doctors, and again messing up = Townie DOOM! --~~ So yes, your 3rd quote is correct in your #1 point. It'd be bad to mislynch a doctor. Esp. w/ 50-50 odds. 1.B Capy and Nesta are (assumed) Masons. They also have the 50-50 choice for doctors. The same applies to them. Mislynch= TOWNIE DOOM. Therefore, yes. a 50-50 shot for all of us, and if we chose wrong= Townie doom. That would be a good case to not vote a doctor, if we were making 50-50 guesses here. So now, lets look at the other choice, the 3 Townie Claimers. 2. A I am a townie. Therefore for me it's not 33% or 66% to pick between the other two players. For me, its either 50% right or 100% right. Depending on if there are 2 or 3 scum. My chances of knowing if there are 2 or 3 scum? Why it's a 50-50 chance! (And again, if we MISSLYNCH. That still =2 townies dead by tomorrow. That means WE STILL LOSE!) -If you're ST or BM, and you're town, that means you've got the same cup of wine in front of you (though if you're town, then it means we only have 2 scum, but still, only I know my role, I now realize yeah, you don't know that) so just put yourself in those shoes though: 50-50: are there 2 scum or 3? that's the Wine in front of you right now. --Masons: You have it even worse: Your choice (as Diggit points out in quote #2) have a 66% chance of hitting scum, IF there are 3 scum. If there are 2 scum, then you only have a 33% chance of hitting scum among the 3 of us. So again, you have the WIFOM: do you know if there is 2 scum or 3 scum? Even if its 3 scum, then you don't get the 100% knowledge that one of us do as having the "townie role", you still might pick one of us. And in doing so, you might kill the townie. So if you believe that there is 3 scum, you still have a 33% chance of killing the townie, and LOSING THE GAME at this point! Basically the WINE: 50-50: Is there 2 scum or 3? THEN you can have more wine: 66% if there are 3 scum, or 33% if there is only 2 scum. SINCE WHEN IS THIS BETTER THAN 50-50 with the Doctors? So let me Rephrase my Pink Statement from earlier (that noone else seemed to realize, BM kinda saw the bad math but still) WARNING 2.0: IF WE MISS-LYNCH PERIOD. THAT MEANS 2 Townies dead *unless doc gets REALLY lucky tonight*, and if tom 2 townies are DEAD. We're FUCKED.[/color] Pardon my french. But noone seems to see that. Instead picking from 3 rather than 2 seems to be the "better option" suddenly. Why? Well it seems to be so under the assumption that there ARE 3 scum. Then why your chances are 66% out of 100! That's Great! Not including the 50-50 chance you already took in guessing the # of scum, but once you did that guess, now you're taking the 2nd guess , both times again realize: A MISSLYNCH ENDS IT for TOWN. The 3 scum may be a safe assumption, but again. ARE YOU SURE? Enough to bet the GAME on it? Because it's basically the doctor Question again: If there is 2 scum, then you lost the game. If there's 3, then you can play for another day. So again, a 50-50 shot! -Voting for one out of three is WORSE than voting one out of TWO, if there are only 2 scum!! -Voting for one of three is only BETTER if there are 3 scum for sure. If you know it, then go for it, if you don't know the scum #'s then it's BAD. JUST AS BAD as the doctor 50-50, except with more WIFOM, cuz its so out of the game (trying to outthink the Mod) --- NO ONE has pointed this out yet. WHY NOT? I'm not that good in my math! It wasn't perfect. I've relized my mistake. But no one else has? I find that hard to believe. Esp. with several people calling me out today. Why not point out THAT flaw in logic against me? That i screwed up, it's better to do 50-50 in game, rather than 50-50 guess the Mod's Setup? Yet everyone seems to like the 1 outta 3 from guessing the Mod....---
Part 2: Diggit Even you Diggit point out in your first quote up there. You don't know which of us is the scum (though your voting seems to indicate that you know. And that you're willing to bet the GAME on it). WHY? When you voted for me, that's when i realized you were the scum-doctor. Here's the thing. The DOCTOR is different from ALL the WIFOM scenario's i've mentioned up there. The doctor does NOT get to play these games. The Doctor has a different game, let me show you: Doctor- Does not know if there are 3 or 2 scum. So yes, he IS like the Geniuses in trying to guess 50-50 if there are 2 or 3 scum, and this matters for him, esp. when guessing which townie is the Pro-town one, and which is scum. - 50-50 again, and then either 33% if 2scum, OR 66% if 3 scum. So you're right in your 2nd quote. But you failed to mention something that I would think EVERY Doctor would realize at that point: The OTHER game that we (non doctors) were told to AVOID (by me, stupidly): the random doctor lynching. It's 50-50 randomly picking between the two doctors for everyone, and that's bad. EXCEPT for one person, Diggit. You point out that's it IS bad to lynch the doctors in your 3rd quote. But you're neglecting something: The REAL DOCTOR KNOWS WHO HE IS! He knows 100% WHO THE SCUM DOCTOR IS. His vote is ACTUALLY THE BEST of ALL the people in the town. Because he knows who 1 SCUM is 100%. So the doctor does NOT have to play the WIFOM game. He can just play another game: the "I know who scum is, Please guys come on and do the smart thing and VOTE for the damn Scum" game. See Warning 2.0 up there: A MISS LYNCH TODAY is going to SCREW OVER THE TOWN. PERIOD. We want to avoid that at all costs. So we want scum today 100%. We all would like to avoid guessing these 50-50 games, but we can't. Because as everyone has pointed out, we don't know other people's roles. But the doctor not only knows HIS Role, but he knows who IS NOT HIS ROLE. So the Doctor has the surest bet in the entire damn day: To vote for Scum and only scum. ~~~~~~~~~ So, Now... With that little piece of information. Let's look at DoctorDiggit: Quote #1 from above: he doesn't KNOW which of the 3 of us is scum. Oh heavens no, but our good doctor wouldn't know that either.... Quote #2:
DoctorDiggit feels he only has a 2/3 chance of guessing scum today. Even though he KNOWS someone who IS NOT the doctor.... Well, maybe that person could be a doctor. Dr.Diggit is cautious and playing it safe, right? Quote #3: I agree with that stance.-"Doctor" Diggit. On the idea of NOT trying to lynch one of the 2 doctors. Why he even adds to his diagnosis: "if toDay we get a psycho, I'd willingly let myself be lynched tomorrow. This because in that case the Town would have a good chance even with the mis-lynch. "Again. Warning2.0: If we MISS LYNCH TODAY... (everyone all together!) There is NO tomorrow! IF there are 3 scum, it's GAME OVER. But wait! Doctor Diggit WANTS us to take the chance, let's guess how many scum there are, let's try to see which one is the innocent townie among the 3. It's only a 66% chance that we're wrong, right? What's the harm in that? This to me REEKS of scum. SCUM SCUM SCUM. We must play as if there IS no tomorrow. We have to lynch who we think is 100% scum or closest to it. Even the Doctors gotta do that. And the doctor KNOWS who's 100% scum. It's the one person who ISN'T him. His job isn't to play WIFOM games or accuse random people, it's simple, he needs to convince the rest of the town, that the other guy is scum, and he's town, because he KNOWS he's town. But here's the thing, Diggit: You are really gung-ho about the whole lynching outta 3 rather than 2. If you were the Real doctor, you'd HATE the idea. It'd be stupid. A waste of time, and TOO RISKY. WIFOM! You'd claim if you're Dotchan. You know who's scum, and you've gotta convince us that we're being stupid! But instead Diggit, You voted for me. And I'm curious. How am I MORE SCUMMY than the FREAKING GUY Who IS CLAIMING TO BE YOU? You should know you're the doctor. So why AREN'T you voting for the imposter? Why the HELL did you just unvote, and vote for ME? One mislynch and we townies will lose. So just one question, that if you can answer it, I'll give a chance that you're not scum: Why are you willing TO RISK THE GAME on the idea that I am scum, over the fact that there is someone out there who is claiming to be You? Do you really think that I am scummier than the impostor? What if there was only 1 Scum left (hey, lets play guess what the Mod is thinking!), and you had to pick the scummiest guy out there with your one vote, Why are you voting for ME over Pygmy? Why'd you even consider it? Honestly. It's mind boggling. Unless, you feel that 1. I'm scum, and that 2. You're going to outguess the scum tonight, make the successful block AND thusly make it so that tomorrow there's only 6 people, AND that there was only 2 scum left so that way you could still even PLAY tomorrow (because 3 scum would still win if you kill me, and don't make the block tomorrow. Oh wait, they'd win even if you did make the block tomorrow.) So Again: What the Hell is the Town thinking? ? ~~~~~~~~~In summary- The Short Version~~~~~~~~ Ask yourself (anyone town) this: If there are 3 scum, and you get to pick from 3 people, then yes, you have a 66% chance of picking a scum. But If you mess up, You lose the game. There is no second chances. If we lose ONE townie by tomorrow, It's game over if there are 3 scum. Now then. If you were the Doctor, why would you honestly WANT to play those odds? Especially since you know 100% sure who ISN'T the doctor. And you know who is therefore Scum (Maybe it's the OTHER doctor, duh?) So for you, it's 100% chances of knowing who is scum. So now. Since we like percentages so much: Which is the better vote of better the WHOLE GAME On? 100% of Scum 66% of Scum (with the 50% Chance that there is 3 scum) 33% of Scum (with the 50% Chance that there is 2 scum). If you HAD to pick from one of those 3 odds. Which would you pick? Because Only one of us gets to play with those odds: And that's the doctor. So explain to me why one of our Doctors is NOT taking the 100% chance, and VOTING FOR THE "OTHER" Doctor? That is the SCUMMIEST thing i've seen this ENTIRE game. And It's been nearly 8 hours w/ no-one calling him out on it. But that's for another day, if we all live that long. So if you can't explain why Diggit is even RISKING the game on those odds, then I totally encourage you to realize the same thing I saw when he unvoted his "fake" doctor, and chose to play the 66%, the 33% (or by voting for me the 0%- but only i know that apparently).... The only reason I can think of is the simplest Reason: Diggit is SCUM. 100% Through and Through.
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Day Six
Aug 28, 2007 23:45:18 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Aug 28, 2007 23:45:18 GMT -5
Oh, and Nesta. I KNOW I AM 100% Town. Just to clear that up, if I haven't been playing as such from Day 1.
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