Santo Rugger
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 17:32:02 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 7, 2008 17:32:02 GMT -5
What was Rugger in that game? In Batman, Rugger was the Joker. In order to use his daykill power, he had to post more than his target, and his targets were almost always talkative. Meaning that he inflated the post count. A lot. And it seems to have not worn off yet! [oog]I have a final due tomorrow morning, and an interview immediately after. I probably won't be around much for the next 24 hours or so.[/oog]
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 18:03:43 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Dec 7, 2008 18:03:43 GMT -5
It could be that they're all aligned in a larger group that includes normal Scum, and PFKs who don't share the Scum thread, but share a Scum objective. I don't know about you, but I'd class someone who shares the scum objective as scum, even if they don't have access to the scum board. "PFK" is a shorthand term for a third party player, and Idle's said elsewhere that this is not a gastard game, so it's unlikely (although not impossible) that he'd screw with the terms. On the other hand, there might be scum traitors, who do share the scum board, but not the scum objective, who could conceivably fall under the "PFK" umbrella. And now I've just had another thought which may well be bollocks. Is it possible that she is in fact the only pfk - her power was to change the win condition toDay - and she wins if we lynch her. Unlikely. I could see it as a possibility if she's not the only PFK, but if she is the only PFK, we currently have to kill PFKs to win. If we win by killing her, and she wins by getting lynched, that's just bonkers. True, she could die by Nightkill (or Daykill, if such exists), but that's just...as convoluted as a one-shot Vigilante who needs to find two randomly distributed berries to kill...hm.... I hate you, Idle. ;D mmouse[/i], any chance you could fullclaim in your next post?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 19:11:10 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 7, 2008 19:11:10 GMT -5
(OOG) Hey, Rysto. Welcome to the crazy. Mmouse, please start responding to the game. I know you feel intimidated, but the longer you stay quiet the harder you're making things for yourself. It would suck tremendously for you to be subbed out, especially since whomever's taking your place. (Yes, we're more likely than not aiming to hang you high, but at least go out swinging!) (/OOG) Adding to this, I just want to say that if the truth will get you killed, mmouse7799, it would be better for you--and us--if you would lie about your role than not say anything. To mmouse: A good lie could definitely buy you some time, or even ensure you survive off the town. Contrary to what it seems, we aren't the lie-detecting cyborgs that some people seem to think. Even an extravagent lie will buy you time, even if it proves to be a sham logic wise. If you aren't too sure about it, the best examples for study are: --Roosh's amnesiac milkman in Apocolypse. The brunt of the lie is on Day 3 and it really just has to be read to be believed. --Bufftabby's explaining away of her power in Gastard Mod, while certainly less extreme, was a much more solid and believable lie, and it got her through to the end game. (She even got a pro-town doctor to protect her, a PFK, from death). Here's her official claim. --Jesper's gambit in LoTR. By attacking Gandalf as a scum with access to the scum cop, he was able to ride on the "Pat did something crazy" wave and add a bit of mistrust and desperation. Jesper's attack starts midway through this page and continues until Boromir kills Pat. --CatInASuit's necromancer claim in Conspiracy post #1247. In this, he doesn't even try to hide his scumminess--he just lies in such away that the town decieds to go after an easier target. They lynch him the next day, of course, but Cat manages to infect a target before he goes. Point being, there are all kinds of ways to lie, any of which could work for you. Don't write yourself off because the truth will kill you. Now, to the rest of you, who probably think I'm insane: I think that even if mmouse lies, it will be more informative than nothing. Consider: if she says nothing, the conversation stagnates until the obvious choice is dead, we learn very little from the lynching, and people just stand around, bored. Pretty much a no lynch, except for the getting the baddish guy. (Though, since we're gunning for PFK's, it would be bad guy here). But! If she lies: we suddenly have something to talk about, a data point to use (and if it's poisoned, we'll find out soon enough--tomorrow night if not tonight, I'm sure), mmouse realizes that even in death, this game can be fun and doesn't leave forever, and we have the advantage of the death post to cut through the lie later. I'd say that's a pretty good result.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 19:40:56 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Dec 7, 2008 19:40:56 GMT -5
Well, not to mention that, depending on what she puts into such a lie, it'd be damn fun to read (and probably to write, too).
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 19:44:34 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 7, 2008 19:44:34 GMT -5
Ok screw this.
Unvote NAF
Vote Rysto
Unvote Rysto
Vote NAF
GD that was cathartic.
Welcome aboard the crazy train.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 20:41:08 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2008 20:41:08 GMT -5
He piggybacked on story's case against buff without anything really original other than I agree. Opportunistic son of a gun. Point of order. I was on the Tabby train before Story was. He just voted first. Ready Day 1 again. Start around page 15.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 21:54:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 7, 2008 21:54:43 GMT -5
Otie dotie. You didn't keep the bandwagon rolling but merely started it. Okfine, vote stands.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 21:59:05 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 7, 2008 21:59:05 GMT -5
And I like the colors dipweeds.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 22:19:13 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 7, 2008 22:19:13 GMT -5
We were pretending not to notice Peeks.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 22:22:22 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 7, 2008 22:22:22 GMT -5
What the heck did you have that HUGE space in your sig for, SINJIN? I took it out for you. Unless you REALLLY wanted it, you could put it back in that case.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 22:34:23 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Dec 7, 2008 22:34:23 GMT -5
I have no idea, I have changed nothing. Why do you have one in yours?
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 22:45:02 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Dec 7, 2008 22:45:02 GMT -5
Otie dotie. You didn't keep the bandwagon rolling but merely started it. Okfine, vote stands. That's fine if you want to vote me for starting the tabby wagon, or having a part in starting it, but don't put me as riding story's coattails. I am my own man thankyouverymuch. I don't know yet what to think about the changing win condition or its implication for the rest of the game. But I do think that without a solid claim from mmouse we need to lynch her toDay. Hell even with a solid claim from her I would say we should lynch her today, I guess. Hopefully we don't find out that we need all PFKs alive to win come the next morning.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 23:21:30 GMT -5
Post by mmouse9799 on Dec 7, 2008 23:21:30 GMT -5
Re the MMouse thing and the win condition thing and the Special Ed thing (look - no words ending in acle) MMouse right now is where my vote would go but she really really should spell out her role and win condition. By doing so she may last another Day if it's useful to town and if one of the theories is correct - that the win condition may change again - then she may even last considerably longer than that by claiming. And now I've just had another thought which may well be bollocks. Is it possible that she is in fact the only pfk - her power was to change the win condition toDay - and she wins if we lynch her. Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of the new win condition right now - we'll probably have a better idea by toMorrow once we know if it stays the same or not. I was going to suggest that the scum and pfks could be one and the same but their roles were interchangeable ie scum one Day and pfk the next. But I guess that doesn't make sense as MMouse claimed pfk yesterDay when the win condition was to eliminate the scum. Unless she knew she'd be pfk toDay and that's why she revealed. Am I making ANY sense? Sorry - I haven't actually slept since Friday night so I'm not entirely with it. On the plus side I had a damn good weekend! ;D Almost forgot - re Special Ed. I don't think much to his calling it a night lynch because he does often misspeak himself. I am however suspicious of him not minding about ending the Day early. Yes, I know we can talk strategy at Night but let's face it, we don't really do so in the same way as during the Day. I had no idea that the town's win condition would change today. In fact, I'm curious if that has ever happened before this. Does anyone know? To my knowledge, it hasn't happened either here or on the dope. Has it happened in any of the FaceBook games? I'm not a member there.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 23:27:16 GMT -5
Post by mmouse9799 on Dec 7, 2008 23:27:16 GMT -5
MMouse right now is where my vote would go but she really really should spell out her role and win condition. By doing so she may last another Day if it's useful to town and if one of the theories is correct - that the win condition may change again - then she may even last considerably longer than that by claiming. And now I've just had another thought which may well be bollocks. Is it possible that she is in fact the only pfk - her power was to change the win condition toDay - and she wins if we lynch her. I have been going back and forth on MM9799 and the "claim" as a "I don't understand this game and I'm just a PFK". She seems to have read A LOT of the games - and I have forgotten it over and over again - but why would she say that she hope no one has a role like "Rugger in Batman"?? What was Rugger in that game? Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of the new win condition right now - we'll probably have a better idea by toMorrow once we know if it stays the same or not. I was going to suggest that the scum and pfks could be one and the same but their roles were interchangeable ie scum one Day and pfk the next. But I guess that doesn't make sense as MMouse claimed pfk yesterDay when the win condition was to eliminate the scum. Unless she knew she'd be pfk toDay and that's why she revealed. Am I making ANY sense? I'm so trying really hard not to give you a cheeky answer... guess I didn't quit make it But you might ne on to something - I never played these games so i don't know: But maybe MM9799s claim in itself made her into something other then a PFKs... Anyway: I don't mind the lynch og MM9799 right now - but it seems very risky to Town and therfore we should agree on it before it happens... so for now (and only to prevent an early MM9799-lynch) I'll UNVOTE MM9799 Rugger in Batman had a post restriction which kept him from using his action on anyone who posted more than he did. This made the threads for the days in which he was alive very very long. If you go to the main page and click on the batman game, you can see how long those days were. When he died they dropped dramatically. That's all. I didn't want to have to wade through 40 page days. That was the same post in which I asked for the fluff to be kept down, IIRC.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 23:43:11 GMT -5
Post by mmouse9799 on Dec 7, 2008 23:43:11 GMT -5
(OOG) Hey, Rysto. Welcome to the crazy. Mmouse, please start responding to the game. I know you feel intimidated, but the longer you stay quiet the harder you're making things for yourself. It would suck tremendously for you to be subbed out, especially since whomever's taking your place. (Yes, we're more likely than not aiming to hang you high, but at least go out swinging!) (/OOG)
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 23:49:39 GMT -5
Post by mmouse9799 on Dec 7, 2008 23:49:39 GMT -5
This, or something like it, was supposed to be attached to the bottom of the last post.
I am responding to the game. I have a post restriction in terms of the minimum number of posts that I must make each calendar day, and I am meeting that requirement. You may not like what I have to say or the time of day at which I say it, but that's not my problem.
I don't think I'm making things harder for myself. In fact, my role and win condition fit very nicely with my personal goals as they relate to the game at this point. I think you have a very specific idea of what it means to make things harder as they relate to the game. I don't think your preconceived notions apply in this situation.
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Day Two
Dec 7, 2008 23:55:03 GMT -5
Post by mmouse9799 on Dec 7, 2008 23:55:03 GMT -5
Hopefully we don't find out that we need all PFKs alive to win come the next morning. This would be quite funny, IMHO. But, I doubt it.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Dec 8, 2008 0:35:13 GMT -5
ok really busy with work and all, and I gotta get to bed soon, but I wanted to get a post in.
With all the talk today I was leaning away from an mmouse lynch, but then the posting began.
All of that and not even a hint at a role claim.
You know what else. I don't think I've ever seen fear of jesters really get you anywhere. This game is too big for a jester death game ender, and scum bombs have to die eventually anyway.
Thus Vote MMouse. needs to die today. I don't want to deal with the dance.
The only thing that will have any possibility of changing my mind is a believable mmouse role claim, and it's a bit late for that as well now.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 8, 2008 0:58:57 GMT -5
mmouse - 4 votes (Santo, Mr Special Ed, Cookies, misterblockey) NAF - 1 vote (peekercpa)
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 8, 2008 1:03:17 GMT -5
I have a post restriction in terms of the minimum number of posts that I must make each calendar day, and I am meeting that requirement. Minimum? Do you have to make at least X posts per calendar day? In that case, what's the problem? Post away!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 8, 2008 2:57:57 GMT -5
Even under the most benign of circumstances, a PFK is a good kill. PFKs are not Townies. We have enough trouble with people with the same townie win condition making good choices and trying not to have blind spots. We face the same problem plus a different win condition and different comfort levels in the area of dishonesty as a strategy, when we consider keeping a claimed PFK alive.
I see no reason to remove my vote from mmouse at this time. If she/he is a bomb/jester, don't we minimize (or at least better distribute) the potential risk by having a high volume of votes and therefor potential targets for retaliation?
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 8, 2008 8:13:58 GMT -5
Almost Human, what twigged my Paranoia Meter (tm) was the following: Because it seemed to me that a town FCOD was jumping on a possible scum molefan slip. You also earlier speculated on why MHaye got offed; in my opinion, it's not a very useful train of thought since the only ones who know for sure are scum (and obviously they're not going to share), and furthermore, I've found it to be a fairly good indicator of scum. FoS Almost Human And again I have to think, did you read the thread properly? If you had you'd be well aware that some people were getting naturally confused about what slip I was talking about prior to the post you quoted as FCOD had been described as making a slip also. The post you quoted was simply me clarifying what the heck I was talking about. Yes I thought that FCOD's reaction to molefan seemed more town than scum. Hardly Perfect Information. Speculating on why someone was killed not being useful and being scumlike: Maybe it is something scum do on these boards but it hasn't been in my experience elsewhere so I guess I'll have to take your word for that. Whether it's useful or not....under normal circumstances you may well be right. You even may be right this time but I saw something I thought might be relevant and I posted it. Whether I'm correct or not (IMO) is less important than the fact that I'm prepared to say what I think. If we all sit around with our thumbs up our arses waiting for someone else to come up with ideas then it's going to be a very long Day. And MMousewhatevertheendingis - seriously? I can't see you NOT getting lynched toDay. Even if you are a jester, as someone pointed out lynching you isn't likely to end this game so there's really no reason for us to keep you alive if you refuse to give out your role.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 8, 2008 8:36:00 GMT -5
After THAT pile of WIFOM from mmouse, I think I've had as much as I am willing to put up with from her--she has my vote, or rather will by the end of the day.
Related note: I'm not going to be around much this week--I have all day training meetings most days this week.
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 10:06:39 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 8, 2008 10:06:39 GMT -5
I don't think I'm making things harder for myself. In fact, my role and win condition fit very nicely with my personal goals as they relate to the game at this point. I think you have a very specific idea of what it means to make things harder as they relate to the game. I don't think your preconceived notions apply in this situation. Really, so now you know how to play the game after you say this from yesterDay? So first it's "I'm just a confused semi-newbie and don't know what to do." and now it's "I'm playing exactly how I want to and know what my goals are and not doing anything any of you have asked me to." I'm not buying it. At this point, I don't think we should lynch you toDay. You are pretty much acting exactly the way someone who wants to get lynched would be acting. It's Day 2. A PFK win before Day 3 is highly unlikely. The only real reason to kill you now is because you probably will have to die for Town to win and we can end your little WIFOM games. Personally, I'd love to just leave you for a vig to take out, but we don't know if we've even got one. The two town deaths have been inactive one-shot vigs. But I think we table your lynch toDay. I can easily see you being the one who changed the win condition. You change it, claim a naive PFK, and then get us to lynch you either figuring we can't win because there are likely more PFK so taking you out won't end it, or knowing we can't win because you have extra knowledge that there are additional PFK out there. Or you could be scum, with knowledge there are PFK out there and you know by changing the win condition and claiming PFK you can get us to lynch you for whatever reason. So you may be a jester, or you may be a bomb (really, scum bombs aren't that dangerous of a lynch, the worst thing is if a scum bomb can take out a vig), or you may be some other mechanic, but I think lynching you at this point is bad, because it's what you seemingly want us to do. Hopefully, we have an active vig and he'll take care of you for us. Heck, if we have a blocker and you're a bomb, we can probably nullify your power while the vig hits you. But that's up to those roles to decide.
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Santo Rugger
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 10:12:06 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 8, 2008 10:12:06 GMT -5
Hoopy, don't you think if we had an active Vig they would have already taken MMouse out?
How would you suggest dealing with a bomb if we don't have a vig?
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 10:59:21 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Dec 8, 2008 10:59:21 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what to make of the debacle-debacle and the lynch of Bufftabby. But I can't seem to find the post from SANTO about the debacle (the one that was lost and that SANTO said would be re-written). It was something about it being a very different angel to the debacle. Could anyone please help me with a link
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 11:32:30 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 8, 2008 11:32:30 GMT -5
I doubt mmouse is a game-ending Jester. I mean.. the game would end after a two days, and given that town has to kill all PFKs to win, it just doesn't make sense to me. A scum bomb seems more likely to me, in which case a lynch would be better than killing off a vig.. At least as I see it.
I'm not ready to vote yet, and I have no idea how Idle feels about Jesters (which in my mind is a pretty game breaking role if not somehow limited in power),,
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 8, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
Hoopy, don't you think if we had an active Vig they would have already taken MMouse out? Good point. I was considering the possibility of the vig holding off for her to explain herself, but an admitted PFK would probably be vigged right away unless the vig had a compelling reason not to, and I can't really think of one. But I was also thinking that everyone throws out the idea of her being a jester, but throwing a jester in the game without an active vig (or for that matter a serial killer) means that town has a good chance of losing to the jester because we now have to rely on scum to night kill her. Seems a bit unfair for a setup to me. Oh, we'll have to lynch a bomb eventually if we don't have a vig. I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch mmouse. I just don't know if it's the wisest course of action for toDay. After all, we don't even know if she is a bomb, a jester, or some other mechanic entirely. But she's pretty clearly sending signals that she wants to by lynched toDay. Do we really want to risk it? Is letting her live for another Day until we can get some more information that worse of an alternative?
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 11:37:25 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Dec 8, 2008 11:37:25 GMT -5
Well, that was a long, interesting read. I'm back from vacation. FCOD: Did you get a change in win condition?? Yes, I did. I got the same PM I saw quoted somewhere upthread. Obviously Mallow can change the Town win condition and I don't any reason why it won't happen again. Also, I didn't have any berries. For toDay, I think it's fairly obvious that we should lynch MMouse. But then again, it is slightly suspicious that she basically threw herself under the bus. I don't know what to think. I am glad to see that I'm not the only one with a shitty role...one shot vig only after finding berries? Sheesh! --FCOD
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Day Two
Dec 8, 2008 11:41:27 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 8, 2008 11:41:27 GMT -5
I I'm not ready to vote yet, and I have no idea how Idle feels about Jesters (which in my mind is a pretty game breaking role if not somehow limited in power),, There's a few ways to limit the Jester. You can announce his existence in the game. (I.e. open or partly-open setup). You can also limit when the jester needs to be lynched by. (Very commonly Jester has to be lynched Day 1 or he loses. Occasionally Jester will be two or three Days, though the longer you give the Jester, the more apt you are to make the Jester role known to the rest of the game for the sake of fairness.)
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