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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2009 14:02:02 GMT -5
It's lucky Day Number Seven and only one death to report over the Night: MHaye. The Dawn reveals additional information--julie and PrecambrianMollusc are Town. BillMc is a Witch and DeathByIrony is a Detective.
Commence with the new Day.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 14:16:59 GMT -5
For those who don't remember, MHaye claimed Scotsman. Only he also claimed Scotsman who hadn't been attacked by Cookies, who claimed that she attacked him. PCM gave a rundown of who did what to who up through Day 4 here. Both PCM and Idle claimed Vicar, but we have had multiples of other roles so that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Vote: vote Idle Thoughts for all the same reasons I voted him yesterday. I'll be back with more later, but need to get back to work now.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 14:50:43 GMT -5
From the last day..
MHaye:
I didn't know the Wolves had the same power in Conspiracy 1.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 14:58:05 GMT -5
Um. Who said anything about a Vampire recruiting you? Me?
No, I just said I didn't think you came back as Town.
And, no, Idle, Cookies is not who needs killing. Cabal is who needs killing. Cookies, other than causing Town attrition, doesn't affect Town wincon at all right now.
And I find it convenient that you want to get rid of one of the few Town protective roles in the game.
So either you and I are Town-on-Town right now, or you're still trying to sow dissent and chaos. I know which I'm leaning toward.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 15:06:17 GMT -5
Um. Who said anything about a Vampire recruiting you? Me? No, I just said I didn't think you came back as Town. You're right, I reread your quote and you said "unlikely", not "likely". I apologize. Well, then we're even, because I don't think you did. At this stage in the game, I don't see how you can possibly know or even figure that, especially not knowing FCoD or MHaye's sides yet..both of which could be Cabal. And who's that? You? I don't think you're that anymore, I think you're undead. Or..you and I are Town on scum right now and you're lying..which is what I'm leaning toward.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 15:10:11 GMT -5
Wolves - Confirmed by Mod 03. Special Ed - Killed Night One - Wolf - Alpha Wolf 13. paulwhois - Killed Night Two - Wolf - Werewolf 18. Meeko - Killed Night One - Wolf - Omega Wolf 25. bufftabby - Killed Night Two - Wolf - Werewolf
Undead - Confirmed by Mod 01. storyteller - Killed Night One - Undead - Necromancer 08. Kat - Lynched Day Five - Undead 17. Mister Blockey - Lynched Day Two - Undead - Necromancer
Cabal - Confirmed by Mod 16. Natlaw - Lynched Day Four - Cabal - Cabalist 21. Boozy Squid - Lynched Day One - Cabal - Cabalist
Town - Confirmed by Mod 09. CatInASuit - Killed Night Two - Town - Vigilante 11. BillMc - Killed Night Four - Town - Witch 12. julie - Killed Night Three - Raised Day Five - Killed Night Five - Town 14. Parzival - Lynched Day Three - Town - Magician 20. PrecambrianMollusc - Killed Night Five - Town 22. Death by Irony - Killed Night Four - Town - Detective 23. peekercpa - Killed Night Two - Town - Witch
Unconfirmed by anyone 02. Sister Coyote - Killed Night Four - Raised Day Six (Claimed Witch Doctor) 04. Idle Thoughts - Killed Night Three - Raised Day Five (Claimed Vicar) 05. NAF (Claimed Warlock) 06. Flying Cow - Lynched Day Six (Claimed FreeMason) 07. Cookies (Claimed Wolf) 10. Nanook (Claimed Vig) 15. pedescribe (Claimed Witch [mostly confirmed by the deaths of others]) 19. hockeyguy (Claimed Magician) 24. MHaye - Killed Night Six (Claimed Strongman)
Now - someone who's better than me at running the numbers will have to tell me if my gut's right, here, but I don't think two Cabal are sufficient, which means one (or more) of those in the Unconfirmed list are Cabal.
Idle, please. I brought myself back, and Cookies killed me.
I want, specifically, to go back and have a look at NAF and hockeyguy.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2009 15:14:00 GMT -5
Whatever Mhaye was, I killt him dead. You can thank me or hate me upon the flippage.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 15:14:14 GMT -5
I don't believe you. Your voting for me for the reasons you gave don't make any sense in the grand scheme of things, as it's been pointed out repeatedly how impossible and unlikely it is that I've been recruited. I think you're just looking/reaching for any reason much like FCoD was.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 15:18:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Cookies, I think we'll have to wait for the flip to decide.
Idle: You are sowing confusion. You have repeatedly insisted that the Witch Doctor is a Day power, which it is not - a fact that could be easily verified with a dip into the Rules thread.
And that's why I'm voting for you.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 15:24:08 GMT -5
Yeah, Cookies, I think we'll have to wait for the flip to decide. Idle: You are sowing confusion. You have repeatedly insisted that the Witch Doctor is a Day power, which it is not - a fact that could be easily verified with a dip into the Rules thread. And that's why I'm voting for you. That's not sowing confusion. Sowing confusion requires intent. I didn't know about the power, which I thought was a Day power (I was going off of what I thought I remembered when I was one in C1), there's a difference. I was corrected and know now... So what's your point?
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 16, 2009 15:24:10 GMT -5
Wolves - Confirmed by Mod03. Special Ed - Killed Night One - Wolf - Alpha Wolf 13. paulwhois - Killed Night Two - Wolf - Werewolf 18. Meeko - Killed Night One - Wolf - Omega Wolf 25. bufftabby - Killed Night Two - Wolf - Werewolf Undead - Confirmed by Mod01. storyteller - Killed Night One - Undead - Necromancer 08. Kat - Lynched Day Five - Undead 17. Mister Blockey - Lynched Day Two - Undead - Necromancer Cabal - Confirmed by Mod16. Natlaw - Lynched Day Four - Cabal - Cabalist 21. Boozy Squid - Lynched Day One - Cabal - Cabalist Town - Confirmed by Mod09. CatInASuit - Killed Night Two - Town - Vigilante 11. BillMc - Killed Night Four - Town - Witch 12. julie - Killed Night Three - Raised Day Five - Killed Night Five - Town 14. Parzival - Lynched Day Three - Town - Magician 20. PrecambrianMollusc - Killed Night Five - Town 22. Death by Irony - Killed Night Four - Town - Detective 23. peekercpa - Killed Night Two - Town - Witch Unconfirmed by anyone02. Sister Coyote - Killed Night Four - Raised Day Six (Claimed Witch Doctor) 04. Idle Thoughts - Killed Night Three - Raised Day Five (Claimed Vicar) 05. NAF (Claimed Warlock) 06. Flying Cow - Lynched Day Six (Claimed FreeMason) 07. Cookies (Claimed Wolf) 10. Nanook (Claimed Vig) 15. pedescribe (Claimed Witch [mostly confirmed by the deaths of others]) 19. hockeyguy (Claimed Magician) 24. MHaye - Killed Night Six (Claimed Strongman) Now - someone who's better than me at running the numbers will have to tell me if my gut's right, here, but I don't think two Cabal are sufficient, which means one (or more) of those in the Unconfirmed list are Cabal. Idle, please. I brought myself back, and Cookies killed me. I want, specifically, to go back and have a look at NAF and hockeyguy. Ask away. Sorry I've been relatively inactive lately. Midterms and work. Etc. I've been trying to keep up here with reading, though I haven't been posting. If you have anything to ask me, I'll answer to the best of my ability.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 15:29:00 GMT -5
My point is, you were corrected, acknowledged you were wrong, and then fell back on exactly the same argument which you already knew wasn't correct!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 15:42:15 GMT -5
NAF, Day 1: 7 posts D1.5 Right in there from the get-go. Says a Mass Claim at the beginning of previous Conspiracy games would result in a Town loss, especially if Scum claim truthfully. Though C2 may have been won by a late mass claim, he didn't remember. D1.7 Observes D1.5 probably seems lazy, but doesn't want to go digging back in an old game. D1.30 Mentions a previous game in response to cookies' discussion with me of times when Town had a good reason to lie. D1.31 Comes back to say "Even though I have done it, there are really very few good reasons for town to lie, so unless you have one of those good reasons, please don't do it. It just makes figuring out who the scum are harder." D1.131 100 posts later, comes in and says "have been playing on SDMB" and votes Boozy for his slip-up. D1.362 "Holy, crap, I fell way behind on this game over the weekend didn't I? Ok, I will do my best to catch up and get into the swing, but odds are I won't have anything meaningful to say until Day 2. Sorry." D1.367 Dings me for a "horrible me-too vote." Overall Day 1 read: Neutral, leaning toward Scum. Now, I understand that NAF has out-of-game stuff going on, but this amount of posting is pretty low for him, even so, and also I don't like the repeated "Oh, you know, I haven't been around for this game/don't have anything to say" posts. Now, admittedly, Day 1 was heavy on the posting what with the Ed and Meeko show, but. Day 2: 2 posts D2.2 Fluff about "favorite players" dying right off the bat. D2.122 "Yay, another Day where I come back online from a weekend off and there is a sure thing ready to be voted for. Vote: Mr. Blocky I need to see what I think about the other stuff going on toDay still. Back in a bit." Overall Day 2 read: More heavily toward Scum. Day 2 was half as long, thread-wise, and again NAF falls on the easy vote, Also, the "other stuff...back in a bit" when he never actually came back bothers me. Day 3: 2 posts D3.13 Questions why we're all jumping on Parzival because hockeyguy counterclaimed, admits hasn't been paying attention to the game until toDay, and then votes both Parzival and Hockeyguy. D3.59 Unvotes Hockeyguy, on Kat's argument. Overall Day 3 read: Mostly neutral, though the low volume of posts is still pinging me. That, and the fact that I haven't yet seen the sort of incisive argument for or against someone that I'm used to seeing from NAF. Back in a while with Days 4-6. stupid boss wanting me to work.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2009 15:43:54 GMT -5
I cursed Nanook last Night. I was positive he would be the target. So, nice work outguessing me Cookies. And, no, Idle, Cookies is not who needs killing. Cabal is who needs killing. Cookies, other than causing Town attrition, doesn't affect Town wincon at all right now. Well there are three possibilities. We know MHaye was lying about being a scotsman. How do we know this? We know this because he was killed without ever being mod confirmed. So, he was not town. If he was a wolf, it doesn't make sense that Cookies killed him. There was no second kill last Night so it is unlikely that he was a vampire. So, odds are MHaye was cabal. We know what sister was before her death, as far as I am concerned she is confirmed town, as is Pede. I am also fairly certain that Nanook is town. That leaves Idle, Hockeyguy and me. It is unlikely that any of us are vampires. Possible, but unlikely. It is more likely that one of us is a wolf or Cabal. Or that there is one Cabal and one wolf. I consider this second possibility to be less likely just because I know that I am town and I will say that it makes almost no sense to have had Idle recruited by the wolves. Again, it's possible, but unlikely. So probably one of the three of us is a wolf or Cabal. I need to run the numbers to figure out which is more likely, but based on Cookies' play (calling herself out as the last wolf has never sat well with me) I would say it is the more likely of the scenarios. IF THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO WOLVES ALIVE, we only have one mislynch left before we are at lynch or lose. In that case Cookies is the best choice. If Cookies is the last wolf we can not kill her without knowing that there are no Cabal left. It's a pickel. No vote for me yet. I am not sure where to move.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2009 15:48:18 GMT -5
Gah, I just remembered the roleblock! It's possible that MHaye was town but was roleblocked, ditto vampire possibilities.
That makes almost my entire last post totally invalid.
Sorry, I am just not keeping this game in my head the way I should. Bah.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 16:00:20 GMT -5
My point is, you were corrected, acknowledged you were wrong, and then fell back on exactly the same argument which you already knew wasn't correct! Yes, because I'm forgetful. And if you were Town, that's what you'd be voting for me for. But it's okay. : ) You're more than likely scum so I know you need any reason to vote. I know what sister was before her death, as far as I am concerned she is confirmed town, as is Pede. I am also fairly certain that Nanook is town. That leaves Idle, Hockeyguy and me.
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Post by Nanook on Oct 16, 2009 16:09:24 GMT -5
Interesting that Mhaye died. I attempted to kill him again, but failed to do so. I'm going to guess that Cookies is telling the truth about killing him. Part of my reason for this thought is that I sent my night action in very late, and as stated in the rules, if more than one kill targets the same person, the last one sent in does the deed. The most likely answer I think is that Mhaye was Cabal, and was blocking me to make sure I didn't kill him. One kill makes FCOD as Vampire more likely I think, which lends some credence to Idle being Town. It's not guaranteed of course, but more likely.
The question we have to ask ourselves at this point is, how many of each side did we start with? 5 Wolves, 4 undead both seem likely, with all the undead finished now and Cookies the last Wolf. How many Cabal though? 3? 4? 5? I think our best bet is the Unconfirmed that are unlikely to be what they claim. As Mhaye so succintly summarized Yesterday, I'm 95% likely to be what I claim, as is Pedescribe. I don't think Idle is a good lynch for Today, since knowing for certain what faction FCOD is will give us quite a bit of information about whether or not we can trust him at all. I think our best bet for a lynch is either NAF or Hockeyguy.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2009 16:11:47 GMT -5
I think our best bet for a lynch is either NAF or Hockeyguy. I think so too. It's the only thing verging on a safe route that I can see. Vote Hockeyguy
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 16:15:21 GMT -5
I think our best bet for a lynch is either NAF or Hockeyguy. I think so too. It's the only thing verging on a safe route that I can see. Vote Hockeyguy
Not going to answer my question/points above?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 16:23:25 GMT -5
Unvote Cookies Vote NAF
Initially, at the time, I thought one of Parz or Hockeyguy had to be lying. Since then, however, it has been proven in this game that there are two Necros, two Witchdoctors, and Two Vicars,...so two types (or exact) of pro-Town Doctor no longer strikes me as being weird.
So if deciding which of those two to vote for, I'm going to have to go with NAF, who, for some very odd reason, just said that SisterCoyote is confirmed to him, when all that's happened is she died and came back to life....exactly like I did. Yet to him, I warrent not being confirmed. Hell of a double standard, inconsistant-like thing.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2009 16:34:34 GMT -5
My point is, you were corrected, acknowledged you were wrong, and then fell back on exactly the same argument which you already knew wasn't correct! Yes, because I'm forgetful. And if you were Town, that's what you'd be voting for me for. But it's okay. : ) You're more than likely scum so I know you need any reason to vote. I know what sister was before her death, as far as I am concerned she is confirmed town, as is Pede. I am also fairly certain that Nanook is town. That leaves Idle, Hockeyguy and me. You know what, I don't know. I have you in my notes as unconfirmed, but I am not really sure why anymore. I never bought the vampire recruitment angle, but I think I popped you into the wrong catagory since other people were pushing it so hard. I take it back, it's just me and Hockeyguy.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 16:37:04 GMT -5
Minor aside... I posted my PM of what it said when I was informed FCoD killed me in this topic, in post number 43 of Day Five. For those who need a reminder: And so I found it interesting, when I read it, how Pleo refers to FCoD here: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=game16&action=display&thread=1144My PM posting came first. And yes, I just checked the roster right now, too. Pleo wrote his name the same way on there...still, I don't see how I could have guessed he'd always refer to FCoD that way. He could have said, in the PM, "You were killed by FlyingCowofDoom" or "You were killed by FCoD"...but he specifically said "You were killed by FlyingCow". I don't see how I could have predicted he'd use that way of saying his name...even if I HAD seen it on the roster before. And now, with Night Six's link post above, him using it again shows that's just how he (Pleo) refers to him (FCoD) every time. I think that should show a whole shitload of more evidence that FCoD, whatever he is, killed me.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 16, 2009 16:40:16 GMT -5
You know what, I don't know. I have you in my notes as unconfirmed, but I am not really sure why anymore. I never bought the vampire recruitment angle, but I think I popped you into the wrong catagory since other people were pushing it so hard. I take it back, it's just me and Hockeyguy. Fair enough. If it's between you and him for today (although I still think SisteryCoyote is a great choice as well, as might be Cookies--because frankly I don't think we know how many of what there are anymore)...I'm fine with either...but have to admit I'm leaning a little bit more towards you. Just a bit.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2009 17:10:41 GMT -5
I'm leaning more than a little bit toward NAF right now.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 16, 2009 17:14:12 GMT -5
I'm leaning more than a little bit toward NAF right now. That's fine. Like I said, we have one lynch to burn before we can possibly be at lylo. If you need to lynch me to convince yourselves that's fine by me.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 16, 2009 20:46:56 GMT -5
Yes, because I'm forgetful. And if you were Town, that's what you'd be voting for me for. But it's okay. : ) You're more than likely scum so I know you need any reason to vote. I know what sister was before her death, as far as I am concerned she is confirmed town, as is Pede. I am also fairly certain that Nanook is town. That leaves Idle, Hockeyguy and me. You know what, I don't know. I have you in my notes as unconfirmed, but I am not really sure why anymore. I never bought the vampire recruitment angle, but I think I popped you into the wrong catagory since other people were pushing it so hard. I take it back, it's just me and Hockeyguy. If it's me or you. Then Vote: NAF , as I know I'm Town. There's also the part about you being "forgetful" after you jumped on me yesterday for being a bit inactive. You'd think you'd be following along more than me, yet you're the one making mistakes.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Oct 16, 2009 20:47:40 GMT -5
Vote: NAF
I thought I did it right?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 16, 2009 21:15:16 GMT -5
You have a comma attached to your closing vote tag.
--FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 16, 2009 22:07:48 GMT -5
Yes! Yees!
We are so close.
MHaye was almost certainly cabal, then. And FCoD was almost certainly a vampire. That means we are one cabal death and one Cookies death away from winning--if there's even a cabal left!
Okay. I know I'm town. I'm pretty darn sure that both Idle and Sis Coyote are town. Nanook's pretty much confirmed. That leaves NAF and hockeyguy.
Of the two, I find hockeyguy more townie, since he seemed earnest in his pursuit of Parzy.
Vote: NAF
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Oct 16, 2009 22:09:33 GMT -5
Just one thing--Nanook, what happened last Night?
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