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Day Two
May 30, 2010 14:52:09 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 30, 2010 14:52:09 GMT -5
moody's suggesting that it's possible a roleblocker prevented a killing last night and that you are downplaying how many killer's might be amongst us. Oh, I see. Although would've preferred to have heard this from him first.We are one day into the game and if I'm right about there having been two killers acting last night, that means we have three confirmed killers in the game already: Luv, whoever killed Idle, and whoever killed Red. I'm not ruling out a fourth by any means, I'm just pointing out that looking at the kills that we know about, it seems likely that there are at least two killers still left alive. And I'll make this clear: if there's any reason to believe there was a third kill attempt that was roleblocked, I've not heard about it. No information suggesting anything of the kind has come to me. I would have liked to have told you first but sadly I had other things to do and wasn't sat poised at the keyboard waiting to reply immediatly to any post directed at me ;D
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Day Two
May 30, 2010 16:44:04 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 30, 2010 16:44:04 GMT -5
Well, Occam's Razor says there's some sort of daykiller, based on the two deaths yesterDay. And I don't know if there's really anything other than a SK in this game, given that we're all third parties--I think a Vig is necessarily town-aligned, and there's no Town in this game at all, so any rogue killer should probably be considered a SK. So I guess I'm wondering why you seem so shocked at that series of assumptions, Bill? They're natural assumptions to make. Really? Is it a natural assumption that because someone died during the day, that the killer is in fact a serial killer that can/will kill every day? In a standard game of mafia, if someone died during the day, most folk would assume that someone had a day kill, and unless there was evidence to the contrary, most folk would assume it was a one off power -- yet here you immediately coming to the conclusion that the day kill is a result of a day serial killer.
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Day Two
May 30, 2010 17:32:40 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 30, 2010 17:32:40 GMT -5
Well, Occam's Razor says there's some sort of daykiller, based on the two deaths yesterDay. And I don't know if there's really anything other than a SK in this game, given that we're all third parties--I think a Vig is necessarily town-aligned, and there's no Town in this game at all, so any rogue killer should probably be considered a SK. So I guess I'm wondering why you seem so shocked at that series of assumptions, Bill? They're natural assumptions to make. Really? Is it a natural assumption that because someone died during the day, that the killer is in fact a serial killer that can/will kill every day? In a standard game of mafia, if someone died during the day, most folk would assume that someone had a day kill, and unless there was evidence to the contrary, most folk would assume it was a one off power -- yet here you immediately coming to the conclusion that the day kill is a result of a day serial killer. The first game I ever played here (Arkham Knights) had a day-killing serial killer. And I'm not "assuming" anything. This is why I said it "remains to be seen" if the power is recurring.
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Day Two
May 30, 2010 23:26:14 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on May 30, 2010 23:26:14 GMT -5
Due to the nature of this game I don't think even serial killer is an effective description. I'd have to go with killing role simply because any killer in this game is going to end up in a clan and at least nominally work along with them. I might give the MOTDD a sk denomination, but only because it seems that he specifically must kill most of us, seemingly regardless of clan allegiance. To me, a serial killer is a third party with a recurring night- or day-kill. Well, we're all third parties, and somebody obviously has a night-kill, and somebody (most likely a different somebody IMO) also has a day-kill. Whether they're recurring or not remains to be seen, but the rest of it seems accurate enough. To me the key to a serial killer is that they have to kill everybody else, if they have a kill, but can win without killing the people in their primary clan, then they're not exactly a serial killer.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 3:18:00 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2010 3:18:00 GMT -5
Well we know for a fact that the MoDD, who I suspect is a serial killer, needs to destroy all of the "ascendants". Not sure how many people that term encompasses right now, but there are a lot of claimants to choose from.
I think there's a good chance, by the way, that the person who killed Red did have a one-shot power. It would make sense if this person knew that Red was HoC. (Of course, it could also have been pure fortuitous accident.) Idle, on the other hand, I don't see being someone with the same win condition as me. He was as close to a confirmed ascendant as they come, and nobody that I'm aware of was seriously suspecting him to be HoC. There's always a possibility that he was secretly targeting someone not in his clan, and they used their power on him because of it; but if it is a genuine one-shot kill ability then it seems rather short-sighted to waste it like that on somebody who probably has the same win condition as you do.
Or to put it another way: ignoring the clan element for the moment (which can't be decisive until much later in the game anyway), Idle's death would seem to hurt my chances of achieving my wincon, whereas Red's obviously helps it. If either one of those two killers (again, assuming there are two) has a similar wincon to me, it's probably the person who killed Red. Of course there are always personal goals, clan loyalties, other factors that come into play in a game of third-parties etc, which is why I'm not "assuming" anything here. But that's how I'm thinking at the moment.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 3:18:57 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2010 3:18:57 GMT -5
Well we know for a fact that the MoDD, who I suspect is a serial killer, needs to destroy all of the "ascendants". Not sure how many people that term encompasses right now, but there are a lot of claimants to choose from. I think there's a good chance, by the way, that the person who killed Red did have a one-shot power. It would make sense if this person knew that Red was HoC. (Of course, it could also have been pure fortuitous accident.) Idle, on the other hand, I don't see being someone with the same win condition as me. He was as close to a confirmed ascendant as they come, and nobody that I'm aware of was seriously suspecting him to be HoC. There's always a possibility that he was secretly targeting someone not in his clan, and they used their power on him because of it; but if it is a genuine one-shot kill ability then it seems rather short-sighted to waste it like that on somebody who probably has the same win condition as you do. Or to put it another way: ignoring the clan element for the moment (which can't be decisive until much later in the game anyway), Idle's death would seem to hurt my chances of achieving my wincon, whereas Red's obviously helps it. If either one of those two killers (again, assuming there are two) has a similar wincon to me, it's probably the person who killed Red. Of course there are always personal goals, clan loyalties, other factors that come into play in a game of third-parties etc, which is why I'm not "assuming" anything here. But that's how I'm thinking at the moment. That first paragraph should read "the person who killed Idle", to stop any confusion.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 7:05:55 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 31, 2010 7:05:55 GMT -5
It seems like a day killer would unbalance the game because he/she could just join a clan and give the clan a kill everyday. Unless the day killer can't join clans or something, which would make him his own clan with a unique win condition. Well the same is pretty much true for a night killer as well.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 11:23:03 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 31, 2010 11:23:03 GMT -5
No one knew where they had come from or why they had begun to arise during the First of All Wars. It is said that the Houses of the Azath form in response to unrestrained power; an imposition of Order to counter the unchecked destruction of the forces of Chaos. Each House of the Azath seeks to entrap those of great power, and forevermore prevent them from unleashing further devastation. With each new prisoner the Azath gains ever more strength, as its victims are enslaved to the will of the Azath, and forced to fight to protect it and to lure new slaves into the trap Is the color just color, or have the Azath gained luv's powers?
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 11:58:34 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 31, 2010 11:58:34 GMT -5
It's all colour. The Azath is your lynch mechanism, that's all.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 12:18:47 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on May 31, 2010 12:18:47 GMT -5
As a lover of these books I add that I take umbrage with that color. Someone has clearly forgotten Letheras.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 13:07:42 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 31, 2010 13:07:42 GMT -5
As someone that hadn't even heard of the books until a couple of weeks ago... I'm just enjoying the story however it unfolds..
Is it a holiday weekend everyewhere? There seem to be not many people posting.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 13:42:37 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on May 31, 2010 13:42:37 GMT -5
Moody, it's a holiday in the US. I think most players are there.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 14:22:07 GMT -5
Post by timmy on May 31, 2010 14:22:07 GMT -5
I'm here, but it's no news as I post from home. No computer-access in my workplace! :/
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 14:29:33 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2010 14:29:33 GMT -5
As someone that hadn't even heard of the books until a couple of weeks ago... I'm just enjoying the story however it unfolds.. Is it a holiday weekend everyewhere? There seem to be not many people posting. It's a bank holiday over here as well. Which accounts for myself and Total, as far as I know.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 14:29:34 GMT -5
Post by timmy on May 31, 2010 14:29:34 GMT -5
I agree with the others that a Day-kill would probably be one-shot power, if we're playing standard mafia. This game suggests that reasoning may be faulty; with the number of players and the likelihood that everyone has a power* that could mean a player may have a continuing Day-kill power, or there may be more players with single Day-kill powers. (I hope I'm not confusing anyone by speculating out loud; I'm just trying to sort through possibilities.) IMO, the MoD seems most likely of anyone to possess a Day-kill ability, and it might be more than one-shot.
*I base this on the absence of Town and Scum roles; I could be wrong, though.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 14:36:26 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on May 31, 2010 14:36:26 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has designed a lot of crazy roles/games I'd be rather shocked if there weren't at least three steady killing roles of some sort in this game. In the 12 man pfk v town game I made there were two killing roles and a killer who activated on the death of the first two, and that was built for just 12 people. As far as the day kill, well crazy as the game is and considering the fact that they announced deadlines for day actions as well as night actions leads me to believe certain roles were balanced as far as whether their action was night or day, so I'd not be remotely surprised if the day kill is an every day thing.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 15:01:44 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 31, 2010 15:01:44 GMT -5
As someone that hadn't even heard of the books until a couple of weeks ago... I'm just enjoying the story however it unfolds.. Is it a holiday weekend everyewhere? There seem to be not many people posting. it's memorial day over here (USA) moody. some take it a little more to heart than others. i've been at the national cemetary waiting to hear my brother's name for a good bit. they will have ended up going through 70+k by the time tonight is over. this kind of took a back seat for a touch.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 15:10:00 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 31, 2010 15:10:00 GMT -5
[oog]
Our equivalent of Memorial Day is Remembrance Day. It falls on 11th November each year. (The reason for the date is that the armistice that ended World War One came into force that day.)
Today is the Late May Bank Holiday. Not so solemn.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 15:12:03 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 31, 2010 15:12:03 GMT -5
PEEK no worries on that... I know we have a holiday over here but wasn't sure about others as someone told me I should be working instead of fishing today (fishing real life that is)... they were in Australia.
Back to the Day kill thing again. I think it could be through the game and not a one off.. And wondered if there was any significance in the fact that it wasn't revealed until Day end...
I've played in games with a Daykill before and in those, once the player has been targeted that's it they are gone. But like we've said before this is stranger than your average game.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 15:27:02 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2010 15:27:02 GMT -5
PEEK no worries on that... I know we have a holiday over here but wasn't sure about others as someone told me I should be working instead of fishing today (fishing real life that is)... they were in Australia. Back to the Day kill thing again. I think it could be through the game and not a one off.. And wondered if there was any significance in the fact that it wasn't revealed until Day end... I've played in games with a Daykill before and in those, once the player has been targeted that's it they are gone. But like we've said before this is stranger than your average game. Moody, the only time I remember a mid-day kill (it was Storyteller in Apocalypse Lane), it caused something of an uproar. A lot of people felt it wasn't unfair on the player who was killed (and who'd been typing out a huge post while everything else was going on). If I remember rightly, at least three of the mods were in that game. I doubt they'd make the same mistake.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 15:27:54 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on May 31, 2010 15:27:54 GMT -5
That should read WAS unfair. Damn, I've forgotten how to type today. Must be those early morning starts...
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 16:08:02 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 31, 2010 16:08:02 GMT -5
Fair enough.... though I have had it happen to me. So unfair as it may seem and doubting they'd make the same mistake again doesn't completely rule it out...
I'm just throwing ideas out. Not trying to get on your case or anything. I doubt this will work but ...
Mods.. if there is a daykill... will it be immediate(?) or revealed at the start of Night?
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 17:32:42 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 31, 2010 17:32:42 GMT -5
Well, it looks like the information I had was accurate. This is exactly the sort of info that we all benefit from public disclosure. I recommend that those who discover it simply reveal it in the public thread. However, my offer to anonymously post it stands, if needed.
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I targeted storyteller last Night, but was redirected onto SisterCoyote. Sorry that your vote is cancelled ToDay. It is interesting that I was informed that I was redirected.
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Day Two
May 31, 2010 19:12:04 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 31, 2010 19:12:04 GMT -5
Sick again. One of the things nobody tells you about having kids is that you get everything they get, and they get 10-12 colds a year.
This one's a bruiser. I've been in bed all effing day. Fun way to spend a three-day weekend.
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Post by timmy on Jun 1, 2010 0:51:51 GMT -5
Well, it looks like the information I had was accurate. This is exactly the sort of info that we all benefit from public disclosure. I recommend that those who discover it simply reveal it in the public thread. However, my offer to anonymously post it stands, if needed. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I targeted storyteller last Night, but was redirected onto SisterCoyote. Sorry that your vote is cancelled ToDay. It is interesting that I was informed that I was redirected. Assuming this is accurate, we have a redirector in the game. Or mis-direction by persons of nefarious intent. But let's assume this statement is true; what is it about storyteller that drew the attention of the nonny poster, and what was the intent? To investigate, or kill?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2010 4:50:03 GMT -5
Well, it looks like the information I had was accurate. This is exactly the sort of info that we all benefit from public disclosure. I recommend that those who discover it simply reveal it in the public thread. However, my offer to anonymously post it stands, if needed. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I targeted storyteller last Night, but was redirected onto SisterCoyote. Sorry that your vote is cancelled ToDay. It is interesting that I was informed that I was redirected. Assuming this is accurate, we have a redirector in the game. Or mis-direction by persons of nefarious intent. But let's assume this statement is true; what is it about storyteller that drew the attention of the nonny poster, and what was the intent? To investigate, or kill? Pleo's post would indicate that it was he himself who was redirected. In other words, Story wasn't the target, Pleo was. Pleo, is this true? What I gather from it is, assuming it is, is that someone wanted Sister Coyote to be without a vote today. Which begs two interesting questions: who wanted this, and why?
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Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 5:54:01 GMT -5
And we have a night roleblocker as well.
Even though I did nothing last night, I was told I was roleblocked.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jun 1, 2010 7:34:12 GMT -5
Guys, I'm at work but we are having crazy network/internet problems.
May not be posting a ton during the day today(Tuesday, June 1).
Mahaloth
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 10:12:20 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2010 10:12:20 GMT -5
I targeted storyteller last Night, but was redirected onto SisterCoyote. Sorry that your vote is cancelled ToDay. It is interesting that I was informed that I was redirected. This is semi-confirmed, in that the mods told me. I have to either Vote: storyteller or my vote won't count. Sorry I haven't been around much. Things should quiet down IRL after today (stupid surprise family visits).
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 10:13:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jun 1, 2010 10:13:43 GMT -5
wow, a whole lot of discussion about set up and possibilities.
sorry about the absence the last two days but i totally spaced the memorial day holiday.
ok, we started with 25 (i think). now apparantly most of us have been warned about the dragon dude and the chain gang as being impediments to our wincons, right?
now normal mafia would suggest that there would be something approximating 5 of these types of folks depending on powers, blah blah blah. i don't think that math works in this set up, however, but meh.
regardless, normally it would be a hopped up group of townies, for the most part, singuarily focusing on eliminating the above described threat. sure we step all over each other and stuff but, for the most part, just trying to get rid of the baddies.
problem is that even if i eliminate the above threat (and just for hypothetical purposes assume the above math is correct) that means that there are still 16 other souls that want me dead, nay need me dead, to achieve victory.
so while eliminating a known threat is a good thing and primary goal i think it myopic that everyone in this game has the same agenda as to what happens in the interim.
not that i am suggesting that is what is occurring it's just that the damn cats need their litter box changed and i just don't feel like doing that at the moment so i figured i would babble.
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