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Jun 1, 2010 10:27:56 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jun 1, 2010 10:27:56 GMT -5
Pleo's post would indicate that it was he himself who was redirected. In other words, Story wasn't the target, Pleo was. Pleo, is this true? I only know that I targeted story, but my power was used on Coyote. I know nothing about the mechanics of how my target was changed.
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Jun 1, 2010 11:10:47 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 11:10:47 GMT -5
ok, we started with 25 (i think). now apparantly most of us have been warned about the dragon dude and the chain gang as being impediments to our wincons, right? now normal mafia would suggest that there would be something approximating 5 of these types of folks depending on powers, blah blah blah. i don't think that math works in this set up, however, but meh. I was thinking about this - elsewhere the mods said we essentially all started as 3rd parties (can't find the specific post), so if we believe the mods, then it is likely that the HoC folk do not know who the others are -- if they did know, they couldnt essentially be 3rd parties. So from that point, Red's comment about Idle/Luv, given their respective roles, seems more to be a case of Red doing the fishing.
Anyway, just reread the topic. Vote luvbwfc
My PM says the House of Chains needs to be eliminated, so I'd doubt you'd want to join it. Your post about "being in chains" is pretty fishy. This leads me to wonder if the House of Chains is a pre-formed group or one where the members have to try to find each other. If the latter, then Luv's posts could clearly be read as dropping hints as to who he is.
I never said I wanted to join it. I said i wanted to be contacted by a HoC person, so's I would have them identified. Obviously too high risk a strategem as I am going to die for it.
This explanation doesn't really wash with me. There are a lot of holes, and unknowns that I would have to consider before making such a risky play. The biggest being the following question:
How do you know that the house of chains doesn't already know who it's members are?
vote luvbwfc
Oredigger's factions: The only possible factions that I have heard of have been mentioned in this thread already. Namely House of Chains and Master of Deck of Dragons.
Storyteller: In regular mafia games stating how clueless you are about where to vote is considered a reasonably accurate scum tell. I'm having a hard time telling if your statements re: voting is:
1. An attempt to start a discussion about voting. And what makes a good vote. 2. An attempt to start a distraction about voting and what makes a good vote. 3. Something else.
Also kinda interesting that three of the four folk mentioned in that post were the first out of the game. Did Red strike a nerve with his comments on Story? I'm not inclined to place any degree of trust in Pleo, but SisC kinda verifies his claimed action (unless he forced SisC to vote Story), then there was Story's flip flop on trusting or not trusting Ed. Vote: Storyteller
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Jun 1, 2010 12:37:53 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 12:37:53 GMT -5
This has been niggling me, so I may as well ask it: Final Vote Count peeker (0): special ed 4Oredigger (0): guiri 34luvbwfc (13): special ed 36, Zeriel 39, Oredigger 43, Idle 45, peeker 48, skeezix 51, Cookies 261, Pinkies 262, sinjin 299, nphase 329, story 343, timmy 392, Total Lost 393, BillMc 406, guiri 421, peeker 422 special ed (6): Moley 98, Moley 200, luvbwfc 230, fisheroo 268, Pleonast 274, Sister Coyote 276, Pinkies 280, Oredigger 349, story 347, timmy 358Moley (0): peeker 117Pinkies (2): moodymitchy 292, Total Lost 294, Mahaloth 295 timmy (1): Drain 371 Not Voting (4): story, Hal Briston, Pinkies, zuma Mods - is there a miscount for luv?Or it does appear someone's vote counted double. The vote count was 12 three hours prior <font style="font-size: 12px;">Vote Count peeker (0): special ed 4Oredigger (0): guiri 34luvbwfc (12): special ed 36, Zeriel 39, Oredigger 43, Idle 45, peeker 48, skeezix 51, Cookies 261, Pinkies 262, sinjin 299, nphase 329, story 343, timmy 392, Total Lost 393, BillMc 406, guiri 421, peeker 422 special ed (6): Moley 98, Moley 200, luvbwfc 230, fisheroo 268, Pleonast 274, Sister Coyote 276, Pinkies 280, Oredigger 349, story 347, timmy 358Moley (0): peeker 117Pinkies (2): moodymitchy 292, Total Lost 294, Mahaloth 295 timmy (1): Drain 371 Not Voting (6): story, Hal Briston, Pinkies, zuma Folk posting between the two vote counts: luv, ed, idle, mitchy, peeker, pinkies, sisc With Drain posting just after the second vote count <font style="font-size: 12px;">Vote Count peeker (0): special ed 4Oredigger (0): guiri 34luvbwfc (13): special ed 36, Zeriel 39, Oredigger 43, Idle 45, peeker 48, skeezix 51, Cookies 261, Pinkies 262, sinjin 299, nphase 329, story 343, timmy 392, Total Lost 393, BillMc 406, guiri 421, peeker 422 special ed (6): Moley 98, Moley 200, luvbwfc 230, fisheroo 268, Pleonast 274, Sister Coyote 276, Pinkies 280, Oredigger 349, story 347, timmy 358Moley (0): peeker 117Pinkies (2): moodymitchy 292, Total Lost 294, Mahaloth 295 timmy (1): Drain 371 Not Voting (4): story, Hal Briston, Pinkies, zuma
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 12:41:21 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on Jun 1, 2010 12:41:21 GMT -5
This has been niggling me, so I may as well ask it: Mods - is there a miscount for luv?[/colorThe vote count was correct -- and so was the previous one that you quoted.
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Jun 1, 2010 12:53:47 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jun 1, 2010 12:53:47 GMT -5
Anyone want to fess up to that little accounting issue? It looks like the waste of a power from here, as luv's fate was pretty much already sealed without it. Why waste a power?
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Jun 1, 2010 12:57:46 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 12:57:46 GMT -5
Pleo's post would indicate that it was he himself who was redirected. In other words, Story wasn't the target, Pleo was. Pleo, is this true? I only know that I targeted story, but my power was used on Coyote. I know nothing about the mechanics of how my target was changed. Now why redirect Story? If I was a redirector, on night 1 I would typically pick myself and redirect anything against me onto someone else (use it as protection)- tho in a lot of games I've seen that ploy prevented by the mods - but it is possible Story could be the redirector himself. If he isn't the redirector, then someone thought him worth protecting by directing actions away from him. Following this line of thought, then it is likely that the redirector and Story are in the same clan. Now why would Story be valuable enough to protect via redirection -- maybe he is a cop, or maybe he has a killing power? But a redirection would also protect Story from being investigated -- since we have no traditional scum, the folk that would fear the most from an investigation are the HoC and the MotD. Story, like Red, both made Ed's statement - so unless Ed comes out and states that it was Story's statement he tested, then the fact that the statement was made holds no water. So I think I'm good with my vote on Story.
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Jun 1, 2010 13:10:30 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 1, 2010 13:10:30 GMT -5
There are two kinds of redirectors you know. There's the one kind where they pick player a and actions that would have happened to player b. That's the one you're talking about. Then there's the kind where they pick a player, and choose who that players actions will be targeted towards that night.
In other words pleo could just as easily have been the target of the redirector as story. I'm not denying your vote. I'm just saying a lot of your conjecture hinges on the type of redirector at play. I know I've written both types into games and played both types at one point or another.
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Jun 1, 2010 13:32:36 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jun 1, 2010 13:32:36 GMT -5
And we have a night roleblocker as well. Even though I did nothing last night, I was told I was roleblocked. Interesting.... did you do nothing by choice or because you have nothing to do? I'm assuming that who ever blocked you might have got a message saying that the block had been successful... now they no that they didn't stop anything.... I'm just curious as to why you have made this information IE you not making any action last Night ... public knowledge?
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Jun 1, 2010 13:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jun 1, 2010 13:52:10 GMT -5
I know of one Night roleblocker in the game who did not target BillMc last night, and was not redirected.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
Post by special on Jun 1, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
Hey, everybody, it's Ed again. How about a couple of different things you can say for me toDay, everyone.
We can go with the tried and true statement from yesterday
OR
and this is where it gets interesting. You can PM me something like the following:
make sure to CC author when you send me that PM.
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 14:41:46 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2010 14:41:46 GMT -5
Apparently I have two votes. I literally don't have time to read any further than that. This really sucks, because this is definitely the coolest game in which I've played so far, but I am swamped beyond all measure at work and in life right now. I will have a few hours in the morning (Wednesday), and will do the best I can to participate at that point.
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Jun 1, 2010 15:04:18 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2010 15:04:18 GMT -5
I have PMed Ed and Author the phrase Ed requested, without quotation marks or any other bits of possible weaseldom.
Or, at least, no intentional weaseling.
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Jun 1, 2010 15:44:53 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2010 15:44:53 GMT -5
There are two kinds of redirectors you know. There's the one kind where they pick player a and actions that would have happened to player b. That's the one you're talking about. Then there's the kind where they pick a player, and choose who that players actions will be targeted towards that night. That was my point exactly. Don't forget that Pleonast publicly declared his power (as did I, as have a few others. Will be interesting to see if anybody else who has a "known" power is also redirected in the coming nights.) So it would seem that one of the following applies: 1) Someone didn't want someone else using their power on Storyteller, and so redirected it onto Sister Coyote. In other words, they knew or feared that Storyteller would be a target, and chose to make sure that he wasn't. 2) Someone wanted a power they knew or thought would be used on Storyteller to be used on Sister Coyote instead. In other words, they wanted Sister Coyote dead, tracked, protected, etc. 3) Someone wanted Sister Coyote to have no vote today, and redirected Pleonast to make sure that that would be the case. Now thinking about it, while I originally jumped to the conclusion that #3 was the correct idea, I'm now of the opinion that it's actually the least likely. Thinking about the games I've had here, I can't recall a case where a role-redirector redirected a role-holder rather than their target. In this particular format it would seem fairer to make sure that the same role-holder can't be targeted over and over again, effectively making the redirector the holder of that role instead; and if that were the case then I doubt the role-redirector would target Pleonast this early on. His role gets a lot more important as clans start to become dominant. (And yes, before somebody inevitably points this out, that's a lot of assumptions. Humour me here.) Then, if Sister Coyote was the intended target, who would actually benefit from her having no lynch vote today? By her own admission she's been away for a while and hasn't posted much. Or am I just missing loads of behind-the-scenes stuff here? Anyway, assuming #3 is wrong, we're back to #1 and #2: either someone wanted a random power used on Coyote, or not used on Story; or someone wanted a specific power used on Coyote, or not used on Story. (And this specific power may very well have been Pleo's, but only if the redirector knew in advance of his intentions.) Either way, can somebody explain to me what exactly about Story or Coyote makes either of them worthy of this much attention? Sister Coyote made a few public points on day one, Story barely any. Looking back, I can't see any obvious reason for either of them to be targeted. Unless a lot's happening by PM that I don't know about. Should I be more paranoid?
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 15:46:24 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2010 15:46:24 GMT -5
Actually, it was Story who said he'd been away. Sorry SC.
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Jun 1, 2010 15:48:27 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jun 1, 2010 15:48:27 GMT -5
Ed, I could PM you, but I can just post it here for all to see.
Here is a copy and paste of my win condition from the original PM. I assume it is identical to others, but haven't checked.
Truth check this if you want:
Win Condition: You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
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Jun 1, 2010 15:55:31 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 15:55:31 GMT -5
Hey, everybody, it's Ed again. How about a couple of different things you can say for me toDay, everyone. We can go with the tried and true statement from yesterday OR and this is where it gets interesting. You can PM me something like the following: make sure to CC author when you send me that PM. So you want us to trust you on your statement of truthfulness of something sent to you in private?
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Jun 1, 2010 15:57:43 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 15:57:43 GMT -5
Looking back, I can't see any obvious reason for either of them to be targeted. Unless a lot's happening by PM that I don't know about. Should I be more paranoid? Exactly - which is why I think the person performing the redirect is known to Story - and that the redirect was done to protect Story.
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Jun 1, 2010 15:59:43 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on Jun 1, 2010 15:59:43 GMT -5
Win Condition: You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
That's copied and pasted from my Role PM
I agree with MAHALOTH I'd sooner put it out here in the public domian rather than PM SPECIAL ED because I cannot see what's stopping him from just saying that player "x" hasn't sent him the PM... If he can explain how he would prove who has or who hasn't sent him the PM then I'll be more than happy to send him the PM
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Jun 1, 2010 16:17:03 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jun 1, 2010 16:17:03 GMT -5
Here is my role PM win condition:
You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
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Jun 1, 2010 16:46:23 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jun 1, 2010 16:46:23 GMT -5
cool, even a question i cant' fuck up.
Win Condition: You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
or if you think that the "Win Condition:" makes it somehow not exact enough.
You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
but of course i would have written it more like this if i was in charge:
win condition: you win when the master of the deck is dead, all members of the house of chains have been eliminated, and your primary clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all primary members of the clan itself is wiped out.
or without the the "win condititon:"
you win when the master of the deck is dead, all members of the house of chains have been eliminated, and your primary clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all primary members of the clan itself is wiped out.
but this really sounds so much better:
Mint Condition: You wink when the Master of the Deck is deadly from throwing small spitballs. all members of the House of Pancakes (forever to be know as IHOP henceforth) have been eliminated to serving you unending stacks of baked sweet type breads, and your Primate Clan cannot be prevented from eating the rest of the bananas. there may be other winconditions that may or may not apply as the game procedes.
the above is obviously a work in progress. the final version will have many more typos as well as grammatical errors and some random punctuation. but i am just in the development stage so bear with peekie on this puppie.
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Jun 1, 2010 16:48:24 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2010 16:48:24 GMT -5
Win Condition: You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
Tho I'll settle for taking over the world :-)
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Jun 1, 2010 16:50:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jun 1, 2010 16:50:31 GMT -5
neta:
except for the fucking cant' which obviously should be diet coke or ludes and tequilla.
jeebus.
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Jun 1, 2010 17:00:31 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2010 17:00:31 GMT -5
Based on his last post, I would like to vote Peeker...
...to be President of the United States.
;D
(And since there's bound to be at least one person who asks... no, that wasn't intended to be a genuine vote.)
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Jun 1, 2010 17:07:53 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2010 17:07:53 GMT -5
Actually, it was Story who said he'd been away. Sorry SC. Both story and I posted that we'd been away and still would be. Though things are quieting down here.
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Jun 1, 2010 18:26:07 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jun 1, 2010 18:26:07 GMT -5
Actually, it was Story who said he'd been away. Sorry SC. Both story and I posted that we'd been away and still would be. Though things are quieting down here. wait the fuck a minute. she and fucking story were away for awhile and still would be. i know that whole fucking story and sis sitting in a tree was kind of fucking tounge in cheek (don't go there ulla) but crap. and now it's quieting down? mother of og can someone think about the songbirds. www.entertonement.com/collections/31699/female-orgasm-sound-effectno wonder the house values are down.
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Jun 1, 2010 19:01:54 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2010 19:01:54 GMT -5
Hey - at least we're in the house and not out in the street scaring the horses.
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Jun 1, 2010 19:03:25 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2010 19:03:25 GMT -5
Oh, and: My win condition is as follows:
You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
Story: Do you mean your vote will count twice, or are you referring to my vote and Bill's vote?
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Jun 1, 2010 21:05:49 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jun 1, 2010 21:05:49 GMT -5
The most memorable redirector I've come across was the one in the Princess Bride game. Sis C was a town remorseful vig who had to target herself to be killed if she killed a townie...which she did. The scum redirector then targeted Sis C's self-kill to other townies every night thereby giving the scum team an extra kill every night.
I am quite surprised she has not high-lighted this mechanism in this thread.
It could happen this way: Pleo claims vote manipulator, the redirector redirects Pleo from whomever he plans to target to SisC for whatever reason. Possibly because she is not going to be around and won't have a good reason to vote for anyone in particular anyway.
BTW, why does SisterC's vote count against storyteller but apparently not against anyone else? PLEO? SIS? Something you are not telling us?
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Day Two
Jun 1, 2010 23:53:11 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Jun 1, 2010 23:53:11 GMT -5
Hey All, hope everyone had a great weekend.... ----------------------- Here is my win condition......
You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
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Jun 1, 2010 23:54:26 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 1, 2010 23:54:26 GMT -5
I'm not either, but I'm guessing that it goes a little like this. Pleo hit storyteller with his vote canceling power, which inflicts storyteller with the condition of having no vote count except one for storyteller. The power was redirected, but the condition wasn't changed, so sister coyote was hit with the condition of having no vote count except one for storyteller.
Oh and here from my role pm:
Win Condition: You win when the Master of the Deck is dead, all members of the House of Chains have been eliminated, and your Primary Clan cannot be prevented from killing all other players before all Primary Members of the clan itself is wiped out.
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