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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 18:23:37 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 18:23:37 GMT -5
implied that only the vote leader had other votes when that fact was simply not true SQUEEK (Kindly to be redacting "other" in this sentence.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 20:15:41 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 21, 2010 20:15:41 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To expand a bit on my response to you, Dex, I could in theory save you, but I'm not sure it's in Town's best interests for me to do so. If you -- or for that matter, anyone else -- can make a compelling argument why I should blow my one-shot lynch-block on you, I'm all for it, but it seems to me that your death will get Town some useful information, whichever way you flip -- Scum or Town. But at this point that argument would have to be spectacularly compelling; I for one would rather see how you flip so Zedd is either slightly more confirmed -- the only truly confirmed player is a dead player -- or so we have a clear target for tomorrow. All I can see saving you would do is put me on the block, cause Raj to have to spend a Kill or Bats an investigation on you and cause chaos tomorrow while Town decides what to do about Bathory and/or Zedd.) SQUEEK (Therefore, I'd rather save you by getting Bathory lynched, but I don't see that happening. Hence, "probably not.") What if I say Pweeeeze?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 20:24:52 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 21, 2010 20:24:52 GMT -5
[ sorry, but we have a "claimed" investigator who gets his results from reading the clouds. who can not be watched but apparantly can be redirected. i guess that is one additional benefit of a dexter lynch. we either eliminate a baddie or kill a townie and then get rid of zed the following Day. Yep, peeker is right. I'm not, to my knowledge, confirmed. I'd suspect Elizabeth for being so sure of me if I had not received info. that says she is not a threat to town. I also agree with the 2nd point. If dex is not a threat, I die Tomorrow. Seems fair. otay, this is enough for me. unvotevote dexdo you wear a yellow hat?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 20:31:06 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Oct 21, 2010 20:31:06 GMT -5
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 21:11:49 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 21, 2010 21:11:49 GMT -5
Yep, peeker is right. I'm not, to my knowledge, confirmed. I'd suspect Elizabeth for being so sure of me if I had not received info. that says she is not a threat to town. I also agree with the 2nd point. If dex is not a threat, I die Tomorrow. Seems fair. otay, this is enough for me. unvotevote dexdo you wear a yellow hat? If you unvote me I'll give you a tummy rub. ;D
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 21:18:07 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 21, 2010 21:18:07 GMT -5
SQUEEK (You keep harping on the fact that my wincon isn't Town's wincon, and insisting that my play is anti-Town. Regarding the first point, of course my wincon isn't Town's wincon, and since I haven't bothered to deny being PFK, everyone already knows that. As I said before, if I can't meet my own wincon, I'd rather have Town win. Therefore, I am playing as I would if I were Town; and notice I'm not asking Town to believe me, either; why should they? But you are still trying to muddy the waters and make me look like more of a threat than Scum.) So.....what is your wincon?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 21:22:21 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 21:22:21 GMT -5
SQUEEK (My wincon is irrelevant at this point.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 21:26:17 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 21, 2010 21:26:17 GMT -5
SQUEEK (My wincon is irrelevant at this point.) Hardly, as you are a PFK and not a 3rd party player.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 22:32:29 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 22:32:29 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I have no power to bring about my own wincon; it was dependent on other players. Therefore, my wincon is irrelevant.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 4:00:53 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 22, 2010 4:00:53 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I have no power to bring about my own wincon; it was dependent on other players. Therefore, my wincon is irrelevant.) ur Hmmm...so your earlier comment about pfk's having a shared unknown wincon makes more sense now. So you are implying that you win when another pfk meets their wincon. Story's lack of interest in this game may be a feint, or it could be taken as he isn't in a position to win on his own either - that he is reliant on another pfk meeting their wincon as well. So if all the previous assumptions are correct - then mule breath is the key to the pfk's winning. If true, and we try and lynch her, then Death of Rats would stop that lynch. So we need Raj, or the Scum, to kill Ms Mule toNight.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 7:08:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Oct 22, 2010 7:08:42 GMT -5
SQUEEK (I have no power to bring about my own wincon; it was dependent on other players. Therefore, my wincon is irrelevant.) I'd still like to know. And remember, I do have the power to remove you from the game. (Yes, that's a threat)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 8:01:13 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 8:01:13 GMT -5
I'm not a PFK.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 8:14:44 GMT -5
Post by timmy on Oct 22, 2010 8:14:44 GMT -5
Hurm. Not 100% convinced Dex is Scum. But would rather not lose players for a Day. If Dex is town, jailing players is not a prudent move this late in game. Vote because of compulsory action being anti-Town.
vote Dexter
Modron, you're analysis is correct. Don't know what will happen if I use power tonight. Probably worse than interrogation. Better not to use it. Power not compulsory.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 9:07:53 GMT -5
Post by julie on Oct 22, 2010 9:07:53 GMT -5
There are approximately 10 hours to end of Day.
Current Vote Count
11 Dexter Morgan: Batman (3), Zedd (14), Raj (16), Nakor (22), Dr. Strangelove (43), Homicidal Maniac (45), Iskaral Pust (48), Elizabeth Bathory (55), Nordom (167), Curious George (182), Rorschach (192)
1 Elizabeth Bathory: Death of Rats (160)
In the event of a tie, the mods will randomly select from the following two options.
* No player is lynched. * All players tied for the lynch lead are lynched.
Corrections always welcome.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 10:28:51 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 10:28:51 GMT -5
(OK, my very limited time for the last few days has been focused elsewhere, and I think I want to use the remainder of this Day's time to go over Galadriel's posts, since nobody has. So I'm going to ask a couple of questions now in lieu of going back now to read *this* day carefully just yet, and if they've been answered or addressed somewhere already, please be kind:
Why the sudden level of questioning of Bathory, despite the result from Zedd? How are people justifying this who do NOT suspect Zedd himself?
What is Skellington's presumed role, that is supposed to be obvious? (Or rather, what makes it obvious? Batman's comment from somewhere or other that it will be known by the end of the Day implies Skellington is the guy with the extra vote.) This is relevant because of the lack of evidence of any redirection having occurred last night, when it had been claimed on every single night up to then.
And along those same lines, to Rorshach -- can you tell if *you* were redirected?)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 10:31:20 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 22, 2010 10:31:20 GMT -5
I'd still like to know. And remember, I do have the power to remove you from the game. (Yes, that's a threat) SQUEEK (No offense, Raj, but it's not much of a threat given that I'm a dead rat walking anyway. That said.) SQUEEK (After giving it some careful consideration, fine; I'll give a full claim. I needed Gir and/or The Narrator alive to win. My wincon is less a wincon than a piece of knowledge: if any PFK had won, we all would have won. Unfortunately, I have no ability to bring about such a win on my own; I can prevent any one lynch, yes, but only as long as certain conditions -- which I am NOT going to expand on -- are met.) SQUEEK (The other part of my power was knowledge: first, of who the other PFK were: Gir, and The Narrator. And, I would know who they targeted, non-specifically (e.g., with the two of them alive I would be given Name X and Name Y but no indication of who targeted whom). I also had no idea what their powers were.) SQUEEK (So, yes, I knew Gir was lying about not being in the Batcave, because she most definitely was -- I only got one name that morning; not shocking given Gir and I were the remaining PFK and I don't have a Night action (and would have known who I'd targeted, anyway, if I did). And although she hadn't any votes at the time I posted my hypothetical, I was trying (and, obviously, failed) to get her to better defend herself because I could see the winds shifting and needed her alive in order to win.) SQUEEK (If I could have prevented her lynch, I would have. Since I couldn't, I resigned myself to playing as Town for the remainder of the game and have done so. Which, by the way, is why I didn't move my vote from E. Bathory that Day, either; I couldn't do more than I had to protect Gir, and I thought -- and still think -- Bathory was Scummier anyway.) SQUEEK (The dead rat walking is indeed a dead rat walking but not much of a threat to anyone. The most I can do is prevent my own lynch; or, alternatively, if I think Scum are driving the lynch of a Townie, I can prevent that Townie lynch.) SQUEEK (Oh, and Gir targeted Eleanor on Night Three, though presumably she was blocked as Eleanor did not die until Night Four. Like everyone else, I got no information for Night One, and I have no information about subsequent Nights.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 10:32:17 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 22, 2010 10:32:17 GMT -5
Why the sudden level of questioning of Bathory, despite the result from Zedd? How are people justifying this who do NOT suspect Zedd himself? SQUEEK (I think I'm the only one questioning Bathory, I'm just being exceptionally noisy about it, and I don't trust Zedd.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 10:51:19 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 22, 2010 10:51:19 GMT -5
What is Skellington's presumed role, that is supposed to be obvious? (Or rather, what makes it obvious? Batman's comment from somewhere or other that it will be known by the end of the Day implies Skellington is the guy with the extra vote.) This is relevant because of the lack of evidence of any redirection having occurred last night, when it had been claimed on every single night up to then. There is no extra vote in the latest vote count so Skellington being the mystery voter seems probably. There was an earlier vote count so I guess Batman based it on that on.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:01:18 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 13:01:18 GMT -5
(Can I just say (again) that the search and quoting functions at this board make me want to cry? Iskaral Pust crying is a sad, sad sight, Idle. Please help.
I've gone and multi-quoted a bunch of posts from day five and can't access them, since the post is locked. Or at least I think that's the reason. I can't get them from this post either. HALP?)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 22, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -5
(Can I just say (again) that the search and quoting functions at this board make me want to cry? Iskaral Pust crying is a sad, sad sight, Idle. Please help. I've gone and multi-quoted a bunch of posts from day five and can't access them, since the post is locked. Or at least I think that's the reason. I can't get them from this post either. HALP?) SQUEEK (I suspect the mule crying would be worse. So you don't have "View Topic Summary" or "View Quotes" beneath the Quick Reply box?)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:36:06 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 13:36:06 GMT -5
Nope, just topic summary.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:36:21 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 22, 2010 13:36:21 GMT -5
(To expand a bit on my response to you, Dex, I could in theory save you, but I'm not sure it's in Town's best interests for me to do so. Why would you even consider saving Dex? I am spectacularly confused. Why would this be good? At this point, eventually, we are going to have to lynch either Dexter or Zedd. I can't see any way around that. Lynching Bathory toDay won't change it; it'll just put it off a few days.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:39:49 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 22, 2010 13:39:49 GMT -5
Why would you even consider saving Dex? I am spectacularly confused. SQUEEK (He asked; I was explaining my reasoning. At one point, I could have prevented his lynch. I never had any intention of doing so.) Why would this be good? At this point, eventually, we are going to have to lynch either Dexter or Zedd. I can't see any way around that. Lynching Bathory toDay won't change it; it'll just put it off a few days. SQUEEK (Taken out of context much? No, Bathory isn't at risk today, and yes, eventually we are going to have to lynch either Dex or Zedd -- I don't see any way around that, either. Which is what I said in the first part of my response to Dex -- that someone would have to come up with a phenomenally compelling argument and supplemental proof. Otherwise, as I said, we learn far more valuable information from a Dexter lynch than anything else that might happen toDay. I just also think Bathory is Scum.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:40:13 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 22, 2010 13:40:13 GMT -5
Why the sudden level of questioning of Bathory, despite the result from Zedd? How are people justifying this who do NOT suspect Zedd himself? Well, I guess we could all just vote for Dexter and then trade recipes for the rest of the Day. I'll be shocked if Dexter turns out to be Town, because I simply don't believe that Zedd - whether he himself is Town, Scum, or Other - would waste his own life on a lie in this position just to force one mislynch. But I can't really understand why you would question someone trying to widen the net a little bit. ToMorrow will eventually come, and someone will have to be lynched. And frankly, Bathory's comments so far toDay lend pretty strong support to the Dexter-and-Bathory-as-fellow-Scum hypothesis.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:41:47 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 22, 2010 13:41:47 GMT -5
[quote author=mahaloth board=halloween thread=1504 post=70715 time=128770140 Yep, peeker is right. I'm not, to my knowledge, confirmed. I'd suspect Elizabeth for being so sure of me if I had not received info. that says she is not a threat to town.[/quote]
Oh, for Pete's sake, I missed this.
Ugh, I am useless in this game.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:44:07 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 22, 2010 13:44:07 GMT -5
SQUEEK (Of course, Zedd could be lying. Bathory could be a Godfather-type. The only confirmed player is a DEAD player.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 13:49:50 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 22, 2010 13:49:50 GMT -5
SQUEEK (Of course, Zedd could be lying. Bathory could be a Godfather-type. The only confirmed player is a DEAD player.) True. But if one believes Zedd to be lying in any way, then one should probably be voting for Zedd. If one believes Zedd to be truthful, then killing Bathory right now on the chance that she is a Godfather-type when we have a Zedd-declared enemy of the Town (and a Batman-declared enemy of the Town) on the hook already would be incredibly foolish. At some point, we'll have to figure out Zedd, because he can give us all the accurate results in the world and still not be a Townie. If Dexter comes back Town, then Zedd's kindly given us what we need to do that. If Dexter comes back non-Town (and I am nearly sure that Dexter will)... well, we're kind of back to square one with regard to Zedd. But we're down an enemy of the Town, so there's that.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 14:05:55 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 14:05:55 GMT -5
Why the sudden level of questioning of Bathory, despite the result from Zedd? How are people justifying this who do NOT suspect Zedd himself? Well, I guess we could all just vote for Dexter and then trade recipes for the rest of the Day. I'll be shocked if Dexter turns out to be Town, because I simply don't believe that Zedd - whether he himself is Town, Scum, or Other - would waste his own life on a lie in this position just to force one mislynch. Agreed. There's "scum wouldn't do that" and then there's "scum would have to be crazier than Shadowthrone to do that". Did I say that out loud? Not questioning, per se, but am intensely curious to know the logic behind it. YesterDay, Dexter and I both voted Skellington (Meeko challenged him also) on the basis of some questionable comments. Dexter and I were in turn challenged by Septimus, I think it was, on why we would vote for someone who Zedd had "cleared" as not a threat to Town. It was not at all an inappropriate question for Septimus to ask. Elizabeth has if anything even "better" status than Skellington does, because Zedd has also cleared her as not a threat; and to boot he does not claim to have been redirected to her. If Skellington were a godfather (I guess he's probably not if he is in fact the extra vote), then there is actual motive for scum to have "investigated" him, whether they did it by redirection or if it was only Zedd pretending. If it's Elizabeth, then unless Zedd himself is scum, hitting a godfather could only have happened by pure chance, which is somewhat lower odds. Yet I haven't noticed anyone asking the similar question to what Septimus did yesterday, toDay. (It could have happened that I didn't notice; as I've said I haven't yet fully absorbed the last few pages.) I don't actually question suspicion of Bathory -- as I said yesterday, my opinion of Zedd is no secret, which in my mind makes his results on those two a big old ball of "who the heck knows" -- but that doesn't mean that those who are should not be called on to defend the consistency of their own logic. Well all righty then. How do you account for Zedd's result, if both Dexter and Bathory are scum? On preview, never mind. I am strangely amused.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 14:06:19 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 22, 2010 14:06:19 GMT -5
Nope, just topic summary. The trick is that you have to use the same browser tab to add the quotes and reply in (I guess it uses a hidden form and not a cookie).
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2010 14:36:54 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Oct 22, 2010 14:36:54 GMT -5
Then it can't be done? Since the old thread is locked. Gods below.
I'll just summarize my vague impressions then, without quotes. There's how I want to play this game and how I can actually manage to do it, and those are not always the same thing. Hood take it. So far I got through Day Five.
I agree that the remaining scum voting Galadriel is plausible, almost regardless whether Dexter is scum or something else. But more so if he is something else -- in that case the opportunity for some distancing would have to be almost irresistible. If that's so, then Nakor's two or three "claim your target or I'll vote you"-type posts might fit the bill, as might Bathory's vote -- both came with a huge lead in place for Dexter. Nakor started her campaign up right after Homicidal Maniac's early Galadriel vote and topped it off right after I had added my own request for a target claim. Bathory's kind of came out of nowhere.
Homicidal Maniac himself is impossible to read due to the context -- his vote came before Dexter's outing as the jailer and was perfectly in line with the previous day's campaign against Gir -- while bussing (or PFK-style opportunism) is certainly not ruled out, neither is it particularly indicated. Null tell on that one, IMO.
Later on, after Galadriel posted the full role-claim, Dexter changed his vote to her in between the posts by me where I noted the contradiction and the one where I actually tracked it down. At this point I think the potential scum motivations flip a bit. Even *if* Dexter is also scum, scum would have a very solid motive to get Galadriel lynched here. Her role is probably less valuable; she'd just made a horrible mistake -- everything points to vote:Galadriel if it can be managed. Dexter does (but he would, regardless -- that was his get-out-of-lynch-free card I'd just handed him, and I'm sure he could see that). Nordom votes Galadriel (I think he's town; he'd better be town); and shortly thereafter both Meeko and Rajesh switch over from voting Dexter. It's these latter two I'd be most interested in if Dexter flips scum; Bathory and Nakor are less clear cut in that case since their votes came at a time when the choice between semi-outed scum Dexter and in-trouble-but-probably-safe-for-the-day scum Galadriel is not so clear.
I want to emphasize this is partial -- in needs context from earlier days and in particular Dexter's alignment to really get into scum motivations here. Iskaral Pust would never smudge anybody, heehee. Except when I do!
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