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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 8:52:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 21, 2010 8:52:45 GMT -5
NETA: I would be willing to do a mass claim if so, but hearing from the rest of the field would probably be best. Why don't we lynch Dexter first and then consider a mass claim toMorrow i agree (although my vote is on maniac). if dex's lynch is a foregone conclusion i don't see any advantage in any additional claims at this point. unless someone has something that absolves dex. then yes, fcs say something.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 10:08:24 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 21, 2010 10:08:24 GMT -5
My power has certain drawbacks that increase exponentially each time I wield it. The first Night was guaranteed successful. Second Night also successful, but adverse side effect rendered target incapable of performing Night action. Chose different target Night 4. Target appeared unaffected but adverse side effect took me out of game. Mods called it Interrogation. Was not jailed, could be voted on by players. Ok, I think this teeth is almost lose: -Night Two you successfully protected Batman -Night Three you protected and blocked Batman -Night Four you protected someone (not Batman) but got interrogated yourself And perhaps you die if you do it again? Do you have to use your action each Night?
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Oct 21, 2010 11:46:04 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 21, 2010 11:46:04 GMT -5
i agree (although my vote is on maniac). if dex's lynch is a foregone conclusion i don't see any advantage in any additional claims at this point. unless someone has something that absolves dex. then yes, fcs say something. The advantage to claim now is that we still have two (claimed) investigators around although of course one getting killed and the other redirected would complicate things
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 12:26:33 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 21, 2010 12:26:33 GMT -5
I'm considering whether to claim or not. I'm still not sure it is in town's interests to know exactly who is what because then scum and the PFKs know who to pick off. There are still more of us than of them and it's not possible to protect everyone. Depending on what the PFKs are it could be very bad to have town fully exposed and vulnerable. I'm going to think more on this through the day. We have already exposed 2 investigators, 2 protectors, 2 vigs, 3 masons.....what possible high value town role does Elizabeth think she has (or any of the unknowns) at this time that makes them more valuable than the exposed?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 13:22:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 21, 2010 13:22:55 GMT -5
I'm considering whether to claim or not. I'm still not sure it is in town's interests to know exactly who is what because then scum and the PFKs know who to pick off. There are still more of us than of them and it's not possible to protect everyone. Depending on what the PFKs are it could be very bad to have town fully exposed and vulnerable. I'm going to think more on this through the day. We have already exposed 2 investigators, 2 protectors, 2 vigs, 3 masons.....what possible high value town role does Elizabeth think she has (or any of the unknowns) at this time that makes them more valuable than the exposed? chia bingo master?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 13:54:53 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 13:54:53 GMT -5
I'm considering whether to claim or not. I'm still not sure it is in town's interests to know exactly who is what because then scum and the PFKs know who to pick off. There are still more of us than of them and it's not possible to protect everyone. Depending on what the PFKs are it could be very bad to have town fully exposed and vulnerable. I'm going to think more on this through the day. We have already exposed 2 investigators, 2 protectors, 2 vigs, 3 masons.....what possible high value town role does Elizabeth think she has (or any of the unknowns) at this time that makes them more valuable than the exposed? It's a bit of a wild assumption that I or anyone else has a high value role? The role itself isn't really the point. The point is that having town fully exposed could allow both scum and PFKs to pick people off at their leisure. If there weren't so many PFKs in this game then a group of townies would have a good chance based on numbers. As it stands there are a number of PFKs and if the hints from Gir! and Death of Rats are accurate then they know about one another. If the mods have also allowed them to communicate then it won't take much effort on their part to decimate our numbers and leaving scum to clear up those who remain. By remaining silent and using town powers to protect and investigate where we can (by whatever means) we stop the flow of information to both scum and PFK groups.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:05:07 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 14:05:07 GMT -5
Death of Rats are accurate then they know about one another SQUEEK (I knew that there were other PFKs in the game, but neither who they were nor what they could or cannot do. And the PFKs -- or, at least, this small PFK -- had no way of communicating with each other except the same way non-Mason Town does -- in the game thread.) SQUEEK (Scum and the masonry are the only ones with multiple brains.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:05:44 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Oct 21, 2010 14:05:44 GMT -5
It's a bit of a wild assumption that I or anyone else has a high value role? The role itself isn't really the point. The point is that having town fully exposed could allow both scum and PFKs to pick people off at their leisure. If there weren't so many PFKs in this game then a group of townies would have a good chance based on numbers. As it stands there are a number of PFKs and if the hints from Gir! and Death of Rats are accurate then they know about one another. If the mods have also allowed them to communicate then it won't take much effort on their part to decimate our numbers and leaving scum to clear up those who remain. By remaining silent and using town powers to protect and investigate where we can (by whatever means) we stop the flow of information to both scum and PFK groups. We know the scum can kill. The evidence suggests that the PFK's cannot kill (that Gir was the only pfk killer). So playing the "we need to be scared of the PFK's" card is a scummy diversionary move. I think that confirms my suspicions that you are indeed scum.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:13:51 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 14:13:51 GMT -5
It's a bit of a wild assumption that I or anyone else has a high value role? The role itself isn't really the point. The point is that having town fully exposed could allow both scum and PFKs to pick people off at their leisure. If there weren't so many PFKs in this game then a group of townies would have a good chance based on numbers. As it stands there are a number of PFKs and if the hints from Gir! and Death of Rats are accurate then they know about one another. If the mods have also allowed them to communicate then it won't take much effort on their part to decimate our numbers and leaving scum to clear up those who remain. By remaining silent and using town powers to protect and investigate where we can (by whatever means) we stop the flow of information to both scum and PFK groups. We know the scum can kill. The evidence suggests that the PFK's cannot kill (that Gir was the only pfk killer). So playing the "we need to be scared of the PFK's" card is a scummy diversionary move. I think that confirms my suspicions that you are indeed scum. What evidence, exactly? You have some suppositions but not a huge amount of real evidence. We know that at least one has not used their power yet. We don't quite know what the other powers are nor whether they can be used more than once.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:27:45 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Oct 21, 2010 14:27:45 GMT -5
As I've said, there are a few players who seem suspicious to me. I can't make a strong case against them, but I feel duty-bound to share my suspicions. To get specific, I really wonder about Nakor. Many of her posts seem more like light-fingered smudging than earnest pro-Town deliberation. Here's one example. Note the accusation about "Masons' micro-managing." What I saw was less about Masonic micro-managing and more about challenges to the Masons, asking them to divulge power details (which would benefit mainly scum) and which diverted Town's attention from scum-hunting; some of these diversions were by Nakor herself. And as the masons have apparently decided to let you hang out to dry with your decision on your own,... Something smells fishy in the whole exchange to me. I guess that's one way to read it? If you want to go out of your way to smudge as many people as possible. There might be something fishy: the fact that total has been "asking permission" (i don't know how else to describe it) all day. If she's town then she obviously feels that now is not the right time for her to claim, and she's using the masons as a means to avoid the issue. If she's scum then she's using masons to avoid making a claim for obvious reasons. Yes, I continue to be frustrated with the Mason's play, but I don't have any evidence to go after any of you so you're stuck with me pointing out all of the ways that I don't like your play. Yes, Total has been asking for the Mason's permission all Day, and none of you chose to make any comments to that effect until quite recently. That is not very consistent with the micro-managing that the three of you had been doing previously. Perhaps more consistent pressure would have been applied to a scummy Total if you had responded to her requests with something more than silence. Unless I missed it, Nakor himself applied little or no pressure against scummy Total until she finally voted for her. And even that vote was a request to claim, which Total promptly responded to (as if on cue?).
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:31:20 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 14:31:20 GMT -5
What evidence, exactly? You have some suppositions but not a huge amount of real evidence. We know that at least one has not used their power yet. We don't quite know what the other powers are nor whether they can be used more than once. SQUEEK (You know what? Screw it.) SQUEEK UnvoteSQUEEK Vote: Elizabeth BathorySQUEEK (For all the same reasons I voted her before, plus the fact that I completely agree -- God help me -- with Bill McBatman. I acknowledge that there is still the WIFOM regarding what, exactly, "A threat to Town" means, or whether Zedd is even telling the truth. But I'm more convinced than ever that Bathory is Scum and not Town.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:35:31 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 14:35:31 GMT -5
What evidence, exactly? You have some suppositions but not a huge amount of real evidence. We know that at least one has not used their power yet. We don't quite know what the other powers are nor whether they can be used more than once. SQUEEK (You know what? Screw it.) SQUEEK UnvoteSQUEEK Vote: Elizabeth BathorySQUEEK (For all the same reasons I voted her before, plus the fact that I completely agree -- God help me -- with Bill McBatman. I acknowledge that there is still the WIFOM regarding what, exactly, "A threat to Town" means, or whether Zedd is even telling the truth. But I'm more convinced than ever that Bathory is Scum and not Town.) Uh, excuse me? You appear to have forgotten that we HAVE a confirmed scum and that's Dexter Morgan. That's been confirmed by an investigator. But you are going to vote for me? Why? The lynch is on Dexter and your vote isn't going to change that. You're voting against everyone else knowing that it's going to do no good other than maybe give you a bit of cred with town. Nobody buys all that 'I want town to win' nonsense. I don't know exactly what your wincon is but it sure as hell isn't pro-town.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:49:20 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 21, 2010 14:49:20 GMT -5
So where does that leave us.... But with my thoughs: Alive Town- 1 BillMC: Batman (cop); Investigated not a threat, revealed a scum
- 11 Peekercpa: Curious George (mason)
- 17 Septimus: Dr. Strangelove (mason)
- 19 Natlaw: Nordom the Modron (scotsman)
Likely Town- 4 Inner Stickler: Jack Skellington "not a threat"
- 8 Timmyfellinthewell: Rorschach (protector?) seems townie; unlikely scum (but I got fooled by a scum doctor before)
- 22 Mahaloth: Zeddicus "Zedd" Zu'l Zorander (cop); because a scum investigator died, might be a PFK one though
Known- 10 Storyteller: generic homicidal maniac (inventor)
- 15 Special Ed: Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappali (vig); not yet in likely town for me because of the Marcel kill (haven't looked vote record yet)
- 18 Hockey Monkey: Dexter Morgan (jailer), 'threat to town'
PFK- 5 Sister Coyote: Death of Rats - PFK Governor
Unknown- 9 Cometothedarksidewehavecookies: Nakor
- 12 severedelays: Elizabeth Bathory 'not a threat'
- 21 NPhase: Iskaral Pust
- 23 Paulwhoisaghost: Meeko - 'confirmable town power'
15 alive with 6 dead town, 2 dead scum and 2 dead PFK 4 known town 3 likely town 1 known PFK Leaves seven unknown with I would says 3 scum and 1 PFK. A scum godfather could be among the likely town as well - I'm not as certain as the Bat that it's Skellington. My picks at this point would be Dexter, Meeko (more feeling than anything, weakened by that I remember he felt scummy to me in past games) and Nakor (seems to be floating just below the surface) for scum. I fear than Iskaral is pulling wool over my eyes with the in character posting (props to Rorschach as well) while MURDERING PEOPLE AT NIGHT so make her the PFK. I don't feel Story as PFK like Bat does mostly because the frustration seems more like town (but could just be real life). How long will this game last: 2 deaths per cycle + one more from Rajesh D7: 8 town 2 scum 2 PFK (dexter as scum) D8: 6 town 2 scum 2 PFK D9: 4 town 2 scum 2 PFK D10: 2 town 2 scum 2 PFK Seems too optimistic (meta: signups for the next game are already up) D7: 7 town 3 scum 2 PFK (dexter as town) D8: 5 town 3 scum 2 PFK D9: 3 town 3 scum 2 PFK
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:54:21 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 14:54:21 GMT -5
You appear to have forgotten that we HAVE a confirmed scum and that's Dexter Morgan. SQUEEK (So you missed the part where I mentioned the WIFOM regarding what "Threat to Town" really means, right? I haven't forgotten anything.) That's been confirmed by an investigator. SQUEEK (No, that's been confirmed by someone about whom some of us still have questions regarding their loyalty and how much truth they're telling. Which I also mention in the post you quoted.) But you are going to vote for me? Why? SQUEEK. (First, go here, then go here for the follow-up. Then, add in Bill McBatman's post above:) So playing the "we need to be scared of the PFK's" card is a scummy diversionary move. SQUEEK (And that's my argument in a nutshell.) The lynch is on Dexter and your vote isn't going to change that. SQUEEK. (Probably night. But you know what? First of all, as I said to Total Galadriel way back on Day One, I want my vote on who I think is scummiest. And despite Zedd's input, I'm still on the fence about Dexter, because I'm still on the fence about Zedd. Which I said.) You're voting against everyone else knowing that it's going to do no good other than maybe give you a bit of cred with town. SQUEEK! (AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're kidding, right? I don't have a hope in hell of getting cred with Town, and don't for a heartbeat think I don't know it. More importantly, however, this is the second time you've misrepresented the vote count. I am not the only person with a non-Dexter vote. And I'm thinking some folk haven't even voted yet.) SQUEEK (If changing my vote from Dexter to you was going to force a tie, I wouldn't do it. If changing my vote from Dex to you meant Dex was going to be out of the noose, I'd have to consider Town's best option. As neither of those things are true, and I'm nearly certain of your Scumminess, I'm putting my vote where my mouth is.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 14:57:56 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 14:57:56 GMT -5
19 Natlaw: Nordom the Modron (scotsman) SQUEEK (Obviously, you're going to put yourself in "known Town" regardless of what your actual alignment is, but in the mini version of this I was the Scum Scotsman. Which is totally a smudge but not really an accusation, since I think you're most likely Town.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -5
Probably night. But you know what? SQUEEK (I look at this and I look at it and I wonder how the hell my fingers typed "night" when I meant "not.")
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:04:13 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 15:04:13 GMT -5
You're voting against everyone else knowing that it's going to do no good other than maybe give you a bit of cred with town. SQUEEK! (AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're kidding, right? I don't have a hope in hell of getting cred with Town, and don't for a heartbeat think I don't know it. More importantly, however, this is the second time you've misrepresented the vote count. I am not the only person with a non-Dexter vote. And I'm thinking some folk haven't even voted yet.) SQUEEK (If changing my vote from Dexter to you was going to force a tie, I wouldn't do it. If changing my vote from Dex to you meant Dex was going to be out of the noose, I'd have to consider Town's best option. As neither of those things are true, and I'm nearly certain of your Scumminess, I'm putting my vote where my mouth is.) snip Well you're sure as hell not now that it's been forced out into the open. If you hadn't already been exposed as a PFK I'd have said your actions and your posting were scummy. As it is, I cannot see a way for you to be a third party who does not wish to harm town. Thanks Sis.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:04:24 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 21, 2010 15:04:24 GMT -5
For those skimming, I'm a Town Scotsman.
The reasons for me to claim now are: -There are still several more high priority targets out there (masons and investigators) so I think the odds are low I'll be targeted with a kill -And those investigators could investigate me for a confirmed town that can survive a kill
But why investigate a Scotsman? Because this is a Blockey game: -my alignment will not be revealed when I survive an attack, only that I survived it. -In the Halloween Mini this same power (no reveal Scotsman) was a scum one.
The bad scenario I'm seeing as not unlikely: me being lynched twice (because of no reveal) and Death of Rats stopping another lynch would really hurt town trying to kill scum and pfks out there.
Reasons not to investigate are of course: -I could be a Godfather -I might have been corrupted by Buddy Christ
For Today: Vote Dexter -If he's scum it a point in favor of Zedd not being one (although he could be bussing of course considering him lost based on Yesterday lynch. -If he is town we know either Zedd is lying or that Dexter was corrupted -It removes a known element that can block the investigators -My reasoning that scum interrogated Rorschach thus the jailer is probably not doesn't hold up with the formers claims
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:04:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 21, 2010 15:04:30 GMT -5
Uh, excuse me? You appear to have forgotten that we HAVE a confirmed scum and that's Dexter Morgan. That's been confirmed by an investigator. But you are going to vote for me? Why? The lynch is on Dexter and your vote isn't going to change that. You're voting against everyone else knowing that it's going to do no good other than maybe give you a bit of cred with town. Nobody buys all that 'I want town to win' nonsense. I don't know exactly what your wincon is but it sure as hell isn't pro-town. sorry, but we have a "claimed" investigator who gets his results from reading the clouds. who can not be watched but apparantly can be redirected. i guess that is one additional benefit of a dexter lynch. we either eliminate a baddie or kill a townie and then get rid of zed the following Day.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:08:42 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Oct 21, 2010 15:08:42 GMT -5
NETA: based on Yesterday almost lynch of Dexter. SQUEEK (Obviously, you're going to put yourself in "known Town" regardless of what your actual alignment is, but in the mini version of this I was the Scum Scotsman. Which is totally a smudge but not really an accusation, since I think you're most likely Town.) Yup nasty role, Marcel wasn't that far of with his 'post restriction or power restiction. Other can replace me with themselves as known town and the numbers stay the same. Except you of course (Death doens't takes sides except maybe the ones with kittens ).
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:26:35 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 15:26:35 GMT -5
Uh, excuse me? You appear to have forgotten that we HAVE a confirmed scum and that's Dexter Morgan. That's been confirmed by an investigator. But you are going to vote for me? Why? The lynch is on Dexter and your vote isn't going to change that. You're voting against everyone else knowing that it's going to do no good other than maybe give you a bit of cred with town. Nobody buys all that 'I want town to win' nonsense. I don't know exactly what your wincon is but it sure as hell isn't pro-town. sorry, but we have a "claimed" investigator who gets his results from reading the clouds. who can not be watched but apparantly can be redirected. i guess that is one additional benefit of a dexter lynch. we either eliminate a baddie or kill a townie and then get rid of zed the following Day. Yes, good point. But do you really think he's scum? I can absolutely see the ambiguities and I've had plenty of doubts myself over whether he's a scum investigator or not but he doesn't seem to be playing a scum game. If he were scum he wouldn't bother to investigate the claims because town pounce on any claimant and ask for evidence i.e. we'd be doing his job for him and he could quietly investigate everyone else. The original claim was odd but the explanation is reasonable within the context of this game. Lots of people didn't quite understand their role. He hasn't played very well but he also hasn't played in a way that is anti-town And I'll admit I'm probably a bit more sympathetic to a poor player because I am frequently confused in such a big game and I know I'm not contributing as well as a lot of you are. He's been challenged a lot (by me too) and his story seems fairly consistent. I'd hate to lynch someone useful to us.
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 15:57:29 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 15:57:29 GMT -5
If you hadn't already been exposed as a PFK I'd have said your actions and your posting were scummy. As it is, I cannot see a way for you to be a third party who does not wish to harm town. Thanks Sis. SQUEEK (You can think I wouldn't be playing this the same way if I were Town all you like. You'd be wrong. My motivations are not to hurt Town. I do not want people to let you slip through the cracks, pretending all along that you've been Town and playing in ways that are good for Town.) SQUEEK (You've misrepresented vote counts; if I'm guilty of not voting the other PFKs, you're responsible for at least twice trying to get the heat off of Scum, and you're still trying to misdirect Town to pay more attention to the PFKs than the Scum, despite both Bats and I pointing out that PFKs were a number problem for Town whereas Scum are a Killing problem?) SQUEEK (As someone said yesterDay, pull the other one, dear, it's got bells on.) I'd hate to lynch someone useful to us. SQUEEK? (Useful to whom? Nodrom's post aside, I'm not willing to put Zedd in the Town box yet -- though, honestly, he's one hell of a lot closer to the Town box than you are; Yes, Galadriel was a Limited Scum Investigator, but that "limited" causes me to question whether or not Scum might have two Investigators.)
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Oct 21, 2010 15:58:57 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 15:58:57 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To everyone else: You don't have to trust me, and at this point I am not asking anyone to change their vote. PFK or Town, I really think that a close look at Bathory's play is in order toMorrow, whether or not I survive the Night. As I say above: she has misrepresented vote counts. She voted for Scum very late in the game, trying to start her own bandwagon. As Bats pointed out, she's insisting "the PFK are" a greater threat to Town than Scum are, when I most patently am not.) Other can replace me with themselves as known town and the numbers stay the same. Except you of course SQUEEK (Well, yeah, but I wouldn't bother. Bats is close enough to confirmed, and I doubt I could have convincingly got off a "oh, well, Buddy must have corrupted me" when I came up PFK rather than Scum. )
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Oct 21, 2010 16:00:04 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 16:00:04 GMT -5
Sigh.
SQUEEK ("She voted for Scum very late in the game, trying to start her own bandwagon." should, of course, read "after trying to start her own bandwagon.")
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 17:04:20 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 21, 2010 17:04:20 GMT -5
As I've said, there are a few players who seem suspicious to me. I can't make a strong case against them, but I feel duty-bound to share my suspicions. To get specific, I really wonder about Nakor. Many of her posts seem more like light-fingered smudging than earnest pro-Town deliberation. Here's one example. Note the accusation about "Masons' micro-managing." What I saw was less about Masonic micro-managing and more about challenges to the Masons, asking them to divulge power details (which would benefit mainly scum) and which diverted Town's attention from scum-hunting; some of these diversions were by Nakor herself. I guess that's one way to read it? If you want to go out of your way to smudge as many people as possible. There might be something fishy: the fact that total has been "asking permission" (i don't know how else to describe it) all day. If she's town then she obviously feels that now is not the right time for her to claim, and she's using the masons as a means to avoid the issue. If she's scum then she's using masons to avoid making a claim for obvious reasons. Yes, I continue to be frustrated with the Mason's play, but I don't have any evidence to go after any of you so you're stuck with me pointing out all of the ways that I don't like your play. Yes, Total has been asking for the Mason's permission all Day, and none of you chose to make any comments to that effect until quite recently. That is not very consistent with the micro-managing that the three of you had been doing previously. Perhaps more consistent pressure would have been applied to a scummy Total if you had responded to her requests with something more than silence. Unless I missed it, Nakor himself applied little or no pressure against scummy Total until she finally voted for her. And even that vote was a request to claim, which Total promptly responded to (as if on cue?). [/quote] Doubting the Mason's alignment was wrong, but all of my complaints about how the three of you played prior to the Corinthian's death are valid, at least to me, and there was a laundry list of things that the three of you have done that still make absolutely no sense to me. Waiting around for the Mason's to pipe up about Total using them as a stalling tactic was one of those things. The three of you had been all up in everyone's grill about how they were reacting to your extra information and what you had decided to do with it, which I consider micro-managing. Then when a known scummy is using you as leverage to stall, you don't utter a peep until the Day is almost over. Bad for Town. There were two votes on Total when I put my vote down on her and insisted that she claim. Her claim was suspect, the bandwagon shifted, and we lynched scum. I didn't put late-day pressure on Total to earn townie cred, I did it to hunt scum, and the hunt was successful. Further defense of my actions will likely need to wait for my claim.
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Oct 21, 2010 17:09:55 GMT -5
Post by severe delays on Oct 21, 2010 17:09:55 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To everyone else: You don't have to trust me, and at this point I am not asking anyone to change their vote. PFK or Town, I really think that a close look at Bathory's play is in order toMorrow, whether or not I survive the Night. As I say above: she has misrepresented vote counts. She voted for Scum very late in the game, trying to start her own bandwagon. As Bats pointed out, she's insisting "the PFK are" a greater threat to Town than Scum are, when I most patently am not.) Pointing out that you are on a hiding-to-nothing by trying to vote for someone else is 'misrepresenting the vote counts' is it? More than enough people have voted for Dexter and there's no way you can save him so I'm not even really sure why you putting your vote elsewhere. You can FOS at me all you like but it doesn't change the fact that Dexter is scum and you are making some very strange gameplay. I do not for a minute believe that your wincon chimes with that of town.
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Oct 21, 2010 17:50:07 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Oct 21, 2010 17:50:07 GMT -5
[ sorry, but we have a "claimed" investigator who gets his results from reading the clouds. who can not be watched but apparantly can be redirected. i guess that is one additional benefit of a dexter lynch. we either eliminate a baddie or kill a townie and then get rid of zed the following Day. Yep, peeker is right. I'm not, to my knowledge, confirmed. I'd suspect Elizabeth for being so sure of me if I had not received info. that says she is not a threat to town. I also agree with the 2nd point. If dex is not a threat, I die Tomorrow. Seems fair.
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Hockey Monkey!
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 17:53:28 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 21, 2010 17:53:28 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To everyone else: You don't have to trust me, and at this point I am not asking anyone to change their vote. PFK or Town, I really think that a close look at Bathory's play is in order toMorrow, whether or not I survive the Night. As I say above: she has misrepresented vote counts. She voted for Scum very late in the game, trying to start her own bandwagon. As Bats pointed out, she's insisting "the PFK are" a greater threat to Town than Scum are, when I most patently am not.) Pointing out that you are on a hiding-to-nothing by trying to vote for someone else is 'misrepresenting the vote counts' is it? More than enough people have voted for Dexter and there's no way you can save him so I'm not even really sure why you putting your vote elsewhere. You can FOS at me all you like but it doesn't change the fact that Dexter is scum and you are making some very strange gameplay. I do not for a minute believe that your wincon chimes with that of town. But you can save me, can't you Death of Rats?
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 18:15:16 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 18:15:16 GMT -5
But you can save me, can't you Death of Rats? SQUEEK. (Probably not.) SQUEEK (Elizabeth, I am specifically talking about the fact that you have twice either outright stated or implied that only the vote leader had other votes when that fact was simply not true. I am not talking about the fact that my single vote is, effectively, meaningless. When I moved my vote from Dexter to you, George had a vote on Maniac -- and, as far as I can tell, still does. When you implied Zedd was a goner, you also misrepresented him as having the only votes when in fact there were a few scattershots out there.) SQUEEK (You keep harping on the fact that my wincon isn't Town's wincon, and insisting that my play is anti-Town. Regarding the first point, of course my wincon isn't Town's wincon, and since I haven't bothered to deny being PFK, everyone already knows that. As I said before, if I can't meet my own wincon, I'd rather have Town win. Therefore, I am playing as I would if I were Town; and notice I'm not asking Town to believe me, either; why should they? But you are still trying to muddy the waters and make me look like more of a threat than Scum.) SQUEEK (I cannot kill anyone, and as there is only one of me, I cannot stop Town from winning. Scum, on the other hand, can Kill Town and as such are a threat and should be Town's focus. Your insistence otherwise, even if I am wrong about you being Scum -- and I sincerely doubt that I am -- is not Townie play, in my extremely not-humble opinion.)
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Day Six
Oct 21, 2010 18:21:59 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 21, 2010 18:21:59 GMT -5
SQUEEK (To expand a bit on my response to you, Dex, I could in theory save you, but I'm not sure it's in Town's best interests for me to do so. If you -- or for that matter, anyone else -- can make a compelling argument why I should blow my one-shot lynch-block on you, I'm all for it, but it seems to me that your death will get Town some useful information, whichever way you flip -- Scum or Town. But at this point that argument would have to be spectacularly compelling; I for one would rather see how you flip so Zedd is either slightly more confirmed -- the only truly confirmed player is a dead player -- or so we have a clear target for tomorrow. All I can see saving you would do is put me on the block, cause Raj to have to spend a Kill or Bats an investigation on you and cause chaos tomorrow while Town decides what to do about Bathory and/or Zedd.)
SQUEEK (Therefore, I'd rather save you by getting Bathory lynched, but I don't see that happening. Hence, "probably not.")
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