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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 10:15:59 GMT -5
Not going to try to talk you out of it at this point, SisC, given the situation, but I would like to know your impression of Septimus.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 10:18:45 GMT -5
As I understand it, the case against LightFoot is that she seems to be pushing the "I am Town" way too hard, and that her posts tend to border on incomprehensible. Is that basically it? You can find the reasons easily enough by going to the posts in question. Why didn't you?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 10:21:15 GMT -5
Not going to try to talk you out of it at this point, SisC, given the situation, but I would like to know your impression of Septimus. I am wishy-washy on Septimus and need to go back and re-examine his posts to come to a solid conclusion.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 11:13:25 GMT -5
This is an immensely scummy post. OK, I won't waste a bullet on a Scotsman. Unvote: LightFoot(I think FCOD is once again my top Lynch choice, but the case seems weak, so I'll wait for now.) First of all, you were voting Lightfoot not as a lynch choice at all, but as a prod for her to answer a question she has since answered. You didn't unvote when she did answer the question. So you saying FCOD is once again your top lynch choice rings hollow. You never had a valid reason to vote for anyone else that makes that "once again" make sense. This is emphasized even more by your lack of voting him at this point. You have no valid reason to hold back, especially given you voted for him yesterday. I can see two explanations for this, both bad for you: -- you are both mafia, yesterday was a bussing you thought you could sneak in safely, but today is more serious for him so you're wanting less to contribute your vote -- you're mafia/PFK, he's PFK/town; and your failure to place a vote here is just because you don't want responsibility for lynch a perhaps-townie on a "weak" case. Ok, so scum shouldn't kill you. And further, you were kind enough to tell them that. Good to know. All right. What do you require in a witness? Is it something you can carry out tonight? Even though you just said that yourself, not five sentences ago. I got nothing like that. Further, I'm not sure how this is supposed to indicate you are a townie. If true (and quite possibly it is, regardless of your alignment), it sounds like something that was done to you specifically by Bill, perhaps turning you into a protector for Special Ed or something.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 11:13:50 GMT -5
Not going to try to talk you out of it at this point, SisC, given the situation, but I would like to know your impression of Septimus. I am wishy-washy on Septimus and need to go back and re-examine his posts to come to a solid conclusion. Please do.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2011 11:16:16 GMT -5
Not going to try to talk you out of it at this point, SisC, given the situation, but I would like to know your impression of Septimus. Not that you asked me, but... Septimus is definitely a Person of Considerable Interest as far as I'm concerned. Mostly it has to do with the instant unvote when Lightfoot claimed, and also with the tone of the accompanying text. I don't see why a Scotsman claim should be an instant unvote. Even if she is telling the truth about her power, there have been Scum Scotsmen in the past. And there's no reason to be certain that she's telling the truth in the first place. Septimus' reaction really reads like careless Scum to me, as if he saw the claim, knew it to be true (or, in the event that both he and Lightfoot are Scum, was all set to "believe it"), and quickly moved from there.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 11:20:08 GMT -5
@bob: welcome! @idle: good to have you. now i get to see you in action. to more serious matters: i see that most of the votes are for FCOD. i presume this is because "there has to scum" among those who voted for archangel. since Special Ed and MentalGuy are believed to likely be Town, FCOD is considered suspicious. since this has been covered by others, i won't bring comment more on this. i see a lot of votes for Lightfoot. i have recently played with her and i'm guessing her volume of posts including her claims of being Town stem from her experience in that game. she was Town and was taken out very early mostly for not outright stating she was Town. of course, it's no guarantee she IS Town. those points made, i'd like to focus my interest on voting after it seemed that Archangel would likely be lynched. obviously there are potentially suspicious votes before that but for now i'll try to cover those who had a safe vote including those who unvoted Archangel. this does NOT include all the posts, just the ones where votes were made and their reasoning for Day 1. these are: 1. Renata - voted several times for different players including Archangel. did unvote later but that move may not have mattered as Archangel still was leading after it. ended up for a Town ( Paranoia). in Day 1 this may mean nothing but i consider it worth noting. makes my scum-detection sense tingle slightly. 2. Captain Pinkies - after his initial "skirmish" with Special Ed, he was mostly quiet. ended up voting for BillMc who was Town. again, may or may not mean anything in Day 1. feeling neutral. 3. Inner Stickler - voted for Lightfoot for her flurry of posts. i find this very questionable reasoning. actually there's a lack of reasoning by noting the flurry and not the content of her posts. i would consider this possible Scum but it's so unsubtle that it gives me pause. 4. Lightfoot - voted for Inner Stickler with what seemed to be an OMGUS vote. later voted for FCOD who now top Scum suspect. this and my earlier comment about her make me think she's Town. 5. Septimus - like Lightfoot voted for FCOD. not much here. feeling neutral at the moment. 6. Romanic - drops in votes Septimus. says he doesn't agree with his logic for voting FCOD but doesn't explain why and never does. some Scum vibes here. 7. Sister Coyote - mistakenly votes for Scuzzlebutt because another player had her name due to the April 1 prank. neutral here. 8. GnarlyCharlie - no comment as it will be just considered self serving. i will reserve my judgment on Bob (Mahaloth) and Idle (Peeker) for now. i hope i have time to go over Day 2 voting to see if i can find clues there. while FCOD is a safe vote, just as i focused on the safe voters, i will make one for a safe voter. (i realize this is ironic because this can be considered a safe vote too.) Vote Romanic
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 11:21:15 GMT -5
@ Septimus: Just so I am clear on what you are saying, when you said that "there is only 1 living player who you are sure is Town", are you referring to yourself or to someone else? Are you referring to Ed because of your dream? In any case, I'd like to hear more about your experiment, if you can safely share any information without becoming a bigger target for the Scum. I, myself, am the only certain Townie that I know of. I'm guessing the dream came via BillMc (Town Advisor), and implies mainly that he thought Ed was Town. The experiment I suggest would have no purpose except to demonstrate that I have a slight power(*); the nature of the power would strongly suggest I'm Town. Revealing my power, and discussing it and the experiment might be an interesting conversation, but perhaps more of a distraction than a chance for scum-slip. I think such a conversation will be needed when I'm about to be Lynched, but as we're approaching Dusk and I'm not Lynch leader, it would probably be too much of a distraction now. (* - Three players have flipped non-vanilla Town; I'm non-vanilla Town; Ed, Mental and LightFoot each claim non-vanilla Town. Thus I'll guess this is one of those games where every Townie has some sort of special role. I'm happy to be NK'ed toNight, if that's what Scum wishes, since my power is quite modest.)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2011 11:26:26 GMT -5
I, myself, am the only certain Townie that I know of. I'm guessing the dream came via BillMc (Town Advisor), and implies mainly that he thought Ed was Town. I agree with this quote. So why, when you first described your visit from Bill, did you try to spin it as evidence that you were Town?
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Post by julie on Apr 8, 2011 11:39:03 GMT -5
Just over 2 hours to end of Day 2.
Vote Count:
*FCOD: 6 (LightFoot 99, Sister Coyote 122, MentalGuy 137, Suburban Plankton 226, storyteller 233, scuzzlebutt 251)
LightFoot: 4 (Special Ed 66, FlyingCowOfDoom 156, Joanie 200, Inner Stickler 211)
septimus: 3 (Renata 179, guiri 182, Greedy Smurf 212)
Inner Stickler: 1 (romanic 118)
guiri: 1 (septimus 261)
Romanic: 1 (gnarlycharlie 276)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Special Ed: +1 (Sister Coyote 10)
Mahaloth/BobArrgh: +1 (Special Ed 39)
MentalGuy: +1 (Special Ed 39)
septimus: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Captain Pinkies: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Inner Stickler: +1 (Special Ed 39) storyteller: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Special Ed: +1 (septimus 77)
MentalGuy: +1 (septimus 77)
Inner Stickler: +1 (septimus 77)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 8, 2011 11:39:20 GMT -5
@Septimus: I'll just caution you on the assumption you made that this is a game where every Townie has a special role. Several of us just got done with a game (Pedescribe's Felt vs. Midnight Crew) which had 15 players. It appeared to be such a game where everyone had a role. It turned out that 2 players were Vanilla Town. Thus, I'm not sure if your assumption is all that safe.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 11:39:27 GMT -5
I, myself, am the only certain Townie that I know of. I'm guessing the dream came via BillMc (Town Advisor), and implies mainly that he thought Ed was Town. I agree with this quote. So why, when you first described your visit from Bill, did you try to spin it as evidence that you were Town? This is a very good question and I look forward to your answer, Septimus.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 11:43:54 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time.
I am the Town Investigator.
Last night I targeted MentalGuy, who did not leave the Hotel.
--FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 11:47:01 GMT -5
I would say that two hours before EoD is a little on the late side, FCOD.
Also, I question your claim that you targeted MentalGuy, based on that PM, because there is no indication that you have to "target" anyone -- more the implication that should someone leave the hotel (and therefore pass by you) that you'll know who they are.
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 11:50:22 GMT -5
Septimus is definitely a Person of Considerable Interest as far as I'm concerned. Mostly it has to do with the instant unvote when Lightfoot claimed, and also with the tone of the accompanying text. I don't see why a Scotsman claim should be an instant unvote.... Even when I was in Kindergarten I had trouble playing with the other kids. ;D Let me describe my play. Sometimes I read and adopt others' scum cases; sometimes (as e.g. with guiri) I make my own. When I'm influenced by others, perhaps I should be more explicit (e.g. "I was very influenced by #32, less so by #93, didn't like #101") but instead I may err to the side of brevity, and I'm especially likely to be brief when my vote is a weak vote in which I have little confidence.I did say, over and over, that my votes against both FCOD and LightFoot were weak. I might have been happy to abstain from voting altogether, but would have drawn heat for that as well. Given the weakishness of these votes, and the fact that Dusk was many hours away, the precise timing of my Unvote didn't seem as important to me as it does to you. Instead, I was considering my partial claim, and its appropriate timing. By chance, the LightFoot claim came just when I'd decided to claim, so I prepended an Unvote to my post. (I might have Unvoted him at that time even without his Scotsman claim, but hadn't decided to, since after the Unvote I'd either be abstaining or casting a different very weak vote.) LightFoot's claim changed my own estimate of my weak vote from 13% to 11%, or some such, and certainly not the 100% Scum to 100% Town estimates that Story, guiri and Renata are caricaturizing it as. I don't know if this all makes sense or not. But it's true.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 8, 2011 11:55:19 GMT -5
What did trip a trigger was that you Sister Coyote as an apparently seasoned player appeared to be jumping to the defense of a lesser seasoned player when I was calling him out to explain his vote. When IS says he is a "less seasoned" player, he's...not telling the entire truth. Sort of like whoever it was Day One said they should be considered similar to a newbie because they've never caught scum. I was just going by the history under his avatar not what anyone else said on this. To clarify: I did not intend for the ‘rules’ comment to be directly at you. I often use sarcasm and MUST remember to add a tag to those bits. The first paragraph in this quote still stands.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 11:57:46 GMT -5
To clarify: I did not intend for the ‘rules’ comment to be directly at you. Fair enough; reading comprehension fail on my part, then.
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 11:59:18 GMT -5
I agree with this quote. So why, when you first described your visit from Bill, did you try to spin it as evidence that you were Town? This question seems quite smudgy to me, since I thought my meaning was clear: It's possible the following comment will convince some Townies that I'm a fellow Townie without further ado: Last Night, I really did dream of Special Ed. In the dream I was advised to help him.... My assumption is that other Townies had Night-time dreams, quite possibly about Ed. Unless you think Scum could eavesdrop on the Town Advisor, those other dreaming Townies would see some evidence that I was a fellow Townie. Is that clear now? If so, why wasn't it clear before? (PS: I did consider the possibility that instead of there being zero vanilla Townies, there could be a very small number of vanilla Townies, but omitted that variation for brevity. Sorry.)
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 8, 2011 12:05:27 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.Last night I targeted MentalGuy, who did not leave the Hotel. --FCOD I stand confused. Not only does this smell of an 11th hour attempt … Of all the players you could have targeted (if you are what you claim) Why did you pick that one?..... And I myself would like a [sarcasm] bit [/sarcasm] more information before I change my vote.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 12:11:42 GMT -5
I would say that two hours before EoD is a little on the late side, FCOD. Also, I question your claim that you targeted MentalGuy, based on that PM, because there is no indication that you have to "target" anyone -- more the implication that should someone leave the hotel (and therefore pass by you) that you'll know who they are. i agree. it's pretty late for that. why wait so long? there might not be enough people to unvote you before dusk. we have a couple of options: 1. take our chances and see you lynched or 2. "save" you and have you NKed by a vig if you are not being honest. nice "quote from the mod" though. very creative writing if you are scum.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 12:12:11 GMT -5
Also, I question your claim that you targeted MentalGuy, based on that PM, because there is no indication that you have to "target" anyone -- more the implication that should someone leave the hotel (and therefore pass by you) that you'll know who they are. I thought that it was a passive power by the wording of the PM as well, but I clarified with Julie (since "Investigator" sounds active to me). She confirmed that I do have to target someone. I stand confused. Not only does this smell of an 11th hour attempt … Of all the players you could have targeted (if you are what you claim) Why did you pick that one?..... And I myself would like a [sarcasm] bit [/sarcasm] more information before I change my vote. You can't figure out why I'd want to target MentalGuy? Did you forget about the whole kidnapping Daphne hoop-a-joo yesterday? What additional information would you like to know? --FCOD
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 12:12:33 GMT -5
And I apologize about the timing. Unfortunately, real life got in the way and I was unable to post earlier than this.
--FCOD
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Post by special on Apr 8, 2011 12:18:44 GMT -5
2. Captain Pinkies - after his initial "skirmish" with Special Ed, he was mostly quiet. ended up voting for BillMc who was Town. again, may or may not mean anything in Day 1. feeling neutral. This irritates me greatly and makes me wonder why he even signs up for games. If I hadn't been after him on Day 1, I'm left assuming we would have had only drink recipes. Aside from any comments he made while I was on his case, what exactly has he contributed. At least I feel my attention on him on Day 1 is vindicated. Now that I bring it up again, maybe he'll show up. But, I think his plan was to wait until day 3, post that "Oh, I missed the end of Day 2?" I need to catch up." Followed by some drink recipe appropriate to something and then nothing. Well, Captain, do you have anything to say about...you know..the game we're playing?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 12:25:57 GMT -5
You can't figure out why I'd want to target MentalGuy? Did you forget about the whole kidnapping Daphne hoop-a-joo yesterday? What additional information would you like to know? --FCOD Why did you target MentalGuy? You didn't actually answer LightFoot's question, you know. We might think we know why you would say you targeted MentalGuy, but it would be nice to actually hear it from you.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 12:31:05 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.Last night I targeted MentalGuy, who did not leave the Hotel. --FCOD Can you clarify something about your role? It's called "Investigator", but what you describe sounds more like a "Watcher" role. What information are you supposed to receive, exactly? You find out if someone "leaves the Hotel"? What does that mean, exactly? Why would someone need to "leave the Hotel"? Do all Night Abilities require the actor to "leave the Hotel"? This role seems rather confusing to me...
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:31:53 GMT -5
@bob: welcome! @idle: good to have you. now i get to see you in action. to more serious matters: i see that most of the votes are for FCOD. i presume this is because "there has to scum" among those who voted for archangel. You presume wrong, I think. That's what I based my original vote on (for the most part), but it's not why I kept my vote there after doing a full review of FCOD and SisC's posts ,and it's entirelynot why most others voted for him, either. Therefore, I consider this comment suspicious. You've just dismissed the necessity to comment on FCOD out of hand, for false reasons. There's a lot more to the FCOD case than you say. This doesn't say much. What is your opinion right now? Town, not town, or neutral? I do have to say this is quite a reasonable starting point for scum-hunting. What specifically is scummy about it? There's a lot of facts in there but no indication what the tingly bit is. Placing several votes? Unvoting townie Archangel? Unvoting when she got lynched anyway? Final vote on a townie? Well that's noncommittal. Since the only thing mentioned here that seems indicative of anything is his final vote ending up on a townie, can I assume that voting for Paranoia is not what set your senses tingling about me? Noncommittal again. And actually Inner Stickler did note the content. He said something about a flurry of comments about what other people are doing. The clear implication being that Lightfoot was spending so much of her time talking about other people's participation levels and the like that it rose to the level of being suspicious as avoiding more important things. OK. Inner Stickler's reason for voting Lightfoot was "flurry of comments about what other people are doing" Septimus' reason for voting FCOD was lack of posting, plus a me-too vote. Neither reason is very in-depth. Why is one possible scum (and really"unsubtle" at that) and the other just neutral? 6. Romanic - drops in votes Septimus. says he doesn't agree with his logic for voting FCOD but doesn't explain why and never does. some Scum vibes here.[/quote] Why? Surely not just because of this post. Why? If she'd been right about it being Scuzzlebutt's comment, woudl it have been a good vote or a bad one? (snip a bit) Hanging a lampshade on the irony only serves to draw attention to it, you know. IMO it is NOT actually a scum tell to vote someone for something you're doing yourself (especially really generic stuff like this). But drawing attention to it like this might be; it betrays some level of self-consciousness.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:36:30 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.To begin with, whatever the title, what you claimed is actually a sort of weak Tracker. I don't buy it. The timing is ridiculous and so is the claimed target. There's no legitimate reason to follow Mental Guy last night, of all people.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:38:21 GMT -5
You can't figure out why I'd want to target MentalGuy? Did you forget about the whole kidnapping Daphne hoop-a-joo yesterday? What additional information would you like to know? --FCOD How about what you expected to learn by seeing whether the person who claimed to be able to rescue Daphne once kidnapped was up to *before* Daphne had been kidnapped.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 12:40:25 GMT -5
I chose him because of his claim yesterDay, why is that not obvious?
--FCOD
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:41:49 GMT -5
It's possible the following comment will convince some Townies that I'm a fellow Townie without further ado: Last Night, I really did dream of Special Ed. In the dream I was advised to help him.... My assumption is that other Townies had Night-time dreams, quite possibly about Ed. Unless you think Scum could eavesdrop on the Town Advisor, those other dreaming Townies would see some evidence that I was a fellow Townie. Is that clear now? If so, why wasn't it clear before? (PS: I did consider the possibility that instead of there being zero vanilla Townies, there could be a very small number of vanilla Townies, but omitted that variation for brevity. Sorry.)[/quote] Why would you even assume that anyone else would get the same message?
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