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Post by guiri on Apr 7, 2011 15:01:41 GMT -5
When he made Post 84, LightFoot and FCOD both had a single vote, and he didn't seem to find LightFoot terribly Scummy at all. I'm not opposed to a FCoD lynch but he did not say that Lightfoot wasn't scummy in #84, he was commenting on her being incomprehensible which "[is] frustrating but I don't find it necessarily scummy". This is somewhat supported by his 3rd point in his vote post. OK, I won't waste a bullet on a Scotsman. Story's already mentioned this but Septimus does seem to believe Lightfoot's claim 100% despite maintaining his vote on her earlier after claiming that it was just a poke vote intended to get a response.Weak? It was good enough for you yesterDay, you even pointed out how your vote almost got him lynched but now it's weak? What are you waiting for?Why now?Are you asking people to come forward or just to see your towniness if they had a similar dream?It's rather unfortunate that Bill turned up dead in the morning and can't confirm your claim. But she did although she hasn't explained herself very well. I think it was 453, a response to my questioning her vote on Inner. That was a very circular argument she made at that point.She thought FCOD was Scum because she thought Archangel was Town. She was voting for FCOD because if Archangel was Town, there were likely Scum voting for her.If anything, that's a little more damning. Ah, I see what you mean. two of the votes on Archangel I question as SCUMone of th votes on Ed i question the same "There are 2 scum voting for Archangel" since I feel that some of the voters are SCUM, then the person they are voting for is likely TOWN "Therefore she's more likely Town" [/b] was one I had doubts about early on, and the fact that he is voting for a player I think is TOWN helps change my vote. It also narrows the margin on the top[/quote]" FCoD is voting for a player I think is Town so he must be scum"I was trying to get her to say who she thought the 2 scum voting Archangel were (and the 1 scum voting you) and why she wasn't making a case against any of those 3 players but voted Inner instead. I didn't focus on her late Day vote.But I see where her argument turned circular when voting FCoD.
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Post by guiri on Apr 7, 2011 15:15:46 GMT -5
Trust me, I previewed that ^^ and it looked fine, sorry for the missing line spacing!
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 16:33:59 GMT -5
Mr. Stickler is my father. If the username is too much, I prefer IS or sticks, although it's just the mr. I object to. [] Vote: lightfoot [/color] I still don't like the "I'm just so conceeeeeerned" tone I get from his posts when she talks about other players. Everyone says I've posted very little game related stuff and well, that's true. (I maintain however, that I am posting what is a relatively normal amount of game related stuff for me. There's also the insipid game that is a) getting more of my attention and b) getting more of the game related posts for now. (probably because there's more to chew on in that game currently)) However, I don't see very much real game commentary from lightfoot either. Wagging your finger at lurkers is not really a game post either. ~~snip~~ [/quote] underlining mine I'm not seeing a reason for your vote? You don't like being called "Mr." and you don't know what gender I am ?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 7, 2011 17:02:23 GMT -5
When he says he doesn't like being called "Mr.", he means it makes him feel old, hence the reference to "Mr. Stickler" being his father.
Until I checked below your avatar, I didn't know what gender you were. Also, there are several people on the board who do not have English as a first language -- I don't think IS is one of those, but I could be mistaken.
I have no idea what the "I'm just so concerned" part of IS' post is on about.
Mostly, however, he's voting you for not commenting on game-related issues.
He also is saying that scolding the lurkers does nothing but pad your post count.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 17:10:54 GMT -5
@ Sister I understood the 'MR' reference, but didn't see it as having anything with the vote.
the sentence reads ~"from his posts when she talks "~
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 17:12:48 GMT -5
NETA read that as "anything to do with the vote"
You've stated the obvious, I was looking for a reply from IStickler [/b]
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Post by special on Apr 7, 2011 17:20:33 GMT -5
It's a little more different that that.
Town don't have to worry about acting like Town because they are Town.
Town should worry less about what other people think. The main concern of a Town is finding Scum.
The main concern of a Scum is not being found.
Does that make sense?
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 17:37:33 GMT -5
It's a little more different that that. Town don't have to worry about acting like Town because they are Town. Town should worry less about what other people think. The main concern of a Town is finding Scum. The main concern of a Scum is not being found. Does that make sense? (bad joke removed) Seriously I get it. You did see where my previous game was 'played ' a bit opposite to your explaination. Gimme a minute I'll catch up
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 7, 2011 18:01:47 GMT -5
When you get to the part where he points out that he can rescue Daphne from being kidnapped, a bit of information I was holding back, let me know. So, to summarize... If I'm Scum and he's not, why hasn't the real Daphne counterclaimed me? If he's Scum and I'm not, why hasn't my real rescuer counterclaimed him? If we're both Scum, that means we took a chance that there was no Daphne... I think Daphne exists ( showed up in the D2 colour AFTER the claiming) And right now I believe that Ed is said Daphne. IF Daphne does not have a real rescuer ( that word looks weird ) Then the general belief of Mental Guy being assumed town flies away? (Unless you, Ed have information that you have a rescuer ?) A comment like that without a vote change may raise your ire (generic you) I would like to see what Ed answers. Or anyone for that matter That is what I was talking about. What if there is no rescuer role because don't the gang rescue her? What if he is like the kidnapper and wants you to believe he is your rescuer. I believe ED, just not sure Mental Guy. Just trying to think out of the box.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 7, 2011 18:02:34 GMT -5
@ Sister I understood the 'MR' reference, but didn't see it as having anything with the vote. the sentence reads ~"from his posts when she talks "~ It didn't have anything to do with the vote, and yes, I knew that was what the sentence read -- I was just pointing out that a) it's not safe to assume ANYONE knows your gender, even when you've got it marked to the side there, and b) on occasion, translation errors or linguistic incompatibilities between English and someone's native language occur, which can include mixed gender markers.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 7, 2011 19:40:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome, Ed.
I'm here, I'm male, I read and write English fairly well, and I've got to go back and re-read the whole game. I have been following along just to keep up, but freely admit to not having read the details of all the cases assertions made by everyone. In other words, I've been skimming up to now. That shouldn't be taken as a scum tell, though ... that's more of a I-wasn't-planning-on-playing-this-game-until-Julie-said-the-Scooby-Snacks-were-yummy kind of tell.
I'll try to catch up by this evening.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Apr 7, 2011 19:53:13 GMT -5
Can someone please hand me the stupid sign. I have been looking for the postings of FlyingCowofDoom for the past 30 mins, never realizing FCOD meant FlyingCowofDoom. Here's your sign...
I have not read all the posts. I have tried to catch up. I did read the advice from Archangel prior to being lynched.
#357 (Day 1) FCOD writes: Hey, when I have nothing to say I don't say anything. I'm really not feeling much in the way of scum vibes this Day so I'm not saying much.
--FCOD
To me this is odd, if you play these games, you can really find suspicion in a lot of what si being said.
Vote FCOD
I may not be around tomorrow. I will be watching the House and Senate debate my near future... Pray that we don't shut down!
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Post by julie on Apr 7, 2011 20:17:22 GMT -5
About 17.5 hours to end of Day.
Vote Count:
*FCOD: 6 (LightFoot 99, Sister Coyote 122, MentalGuy 137, Suburban Plankton 226, storyteller 233, scuzzlebutt 251)
LightFoot: 4 (Special Ed 66, FlyingCowOfDoom 156, Joanie 200, Inner Stickler 211)
septimus: 3 (Renata 179, guiri 182, Greedy Smurf 212)
Inner Stickler: 1 (romanic 118)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Special Ed: +1 (Sister Coyote 10)
Mahaloth/BobArrgh: +1 (Special Ed 39)
MentalGuy: +1 (Special Ed 39)
septimus: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Captain Pinkies: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Inner Stickler: +1 (Special Ed 39) storyteller: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Special Ed: +1 (septimus 77)
MentalGuy: +1 (septimus 77)
Inner Stickler: +1 (septimus 77)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 20:29:01 GMT -5
@ Sister I understood the 'MR' reference, but didn't see it as having anything with the vote. the sentence reads ~"from his posts when she talks "~ It didn't have anything to do with the vote, and yes, I knew that was what the sentence read -- I was just pointing out that a) it's not safe to assume ANYONE knows your gender, even when you've got it marked to the side there, and b) on occasion, translation errors or linguistic incompatibilities between English and someone's native language occur, which can include mixed gender markers. We are playing a game where players accuse each other of being SCUM , lynch someone every Day and kill someone every Night. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.. It sounds like you are chastizing me for not being PC ? OR you went into 'protect' mode. ( And I feel the need to add-your statement of the obvious origionally seemed like you were talking to a child)
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 7, 2011 21:09:57 GMT -5
Julie, in the "Snack Transfers" section of #252, it might be less confusing if you change "Mahaloth" to "Mahaloth/BobArrgh"
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Post by julie on Apr 7, 2011 21:25:47 GMT -5
Julie, in the "Snack Transfers" section of #252, it might be less confusing if you change "Mahaloth" to "Mahaloth/BobArrgh" Good catch, thank you.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 7, 2011 21:54:44 GMT -5
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.. It sounds like you are chastizing me for not being PC ? OR you went into 'protect' mode. ( And I feel the need to add-your statement of the obvious origionally seemed like you were talking to a child)No, I'm pointing out that your "complaint" (which I'm putting in quotes because that's how I read it) about the IS vote on you is essentially a non-sequitur, an example of relating thing A (IS not wanting to be called "Mr.") with thing B (IS's apparent gender confusion where you were concerned) and conflating them with thing C (IS's vote on you) which I didn't parse as related to Thing A nor Thing B. I'm not interested in protecting Inner Stickler -- nice smudge of me, there, btw -- and I have no way of knowing what your native language is. Since I interact with many people in both meatspace and online for whom English is a second language, I end up explaining things that are obvious to a native English speaker. Therefore, I tend to take that sort of question literally. No offense was intended.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 7, 2011 21:55:30 GMT -5
These are the notes I took as I was catching up. They may not make any sense, but part of that is just my stream-of-consciousness style of writing. Apologies in advance if it bugs you.
Archangel's Voters Voted by: BillMc (town) -- no help there. Ed (claimed Daphne [Miller]) MentalGuy (claimed power for rescuing Daphne if she's kidnapped) FCOD (?)
Ed and MentalGuy I think I believe Ed's claim, and by extension, MentalGuy's. Don't like Ed's vote for himself on D1. Red herring?
Peeker MIA. I hope he is OK.
Ed, Lightfoot, and Pinkies This has exhausted so much investigative time. Hardly substantive, and really exasperating. Mostly all sniping over nothing? Smarmy Pinkies, especially ... totally uninvolved, lethargic, and apathetic. Nobody's doubting vigorous interchange of Lightfoot, Ed. Terribly aggravated. Lightfoot is very evasive.
Lightfoot is either a confused Townie or a scummy Scum. If she's Scum, though, her ScumBuddies will probably kill her just to shut her up.
Only 2nd game with Pinkies, but this seems to be his MO. Will he participate more starting on D3?
As usual, Ed is loud. Still smarting over the way he totally ran circles around us in Dr. Seuss. Tend to believe his claim, though.
Paranoia Is he the same person as "Soundly Paranoid" from Giraffe? He was a Mason ... did he lay any clues as to other Masons?
Mahaloth No vote on D1. What's up with that? Not much participation. Probably why he asked to be subbed.
Guiri and Renata Good golly ... walls and walls and walls of text. Oy.
FCOD, Joanie, GnarlyCharlie, Inner Stickler, and SisCoyote Reread tomorrow.
I'm sure I've missed one or two people, but I'll have more tomorrow.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 7, 2011 21:55:49 GMT -5
NETA "(which I'm putting in quotes because that's how I read it)" should read "(which I'm putting in quotes because that's how I read it, but may not be how you meant it)"
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 22:32:22 GMT -5
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.. It sounds like you are chastizing me for not being PC ? OR you went into 'protect' mode. ( And I feel the need to add-your statement of the obvious origionally seemed like you were talking to a child)No, I'm pointing out that your "complaint" (which I'm putting in quotes because that's how I read it) about the IS vote on you is essentially a non-sequitur, an example of relating thing A (IS not wanting to be called "Mr.") with thing B (IS's apparent gender confusion where you were concerned) and conflating them with thing C (IS's vote on you) which I didn't parse as related to Thing A nor Thing B. Inner Stickler has voted me twice in 2 Days with a quick quip and not much meat . I'm sure you read that. I was challenging that and asking for more information for the second vote (I did think a bit of humour and sarcasm MIGHT draw more response) Just what I see some sarcasm here I didn't think that matters in game the way I've been questioned . Unless I am totally of base that is IRL and should not change the way the game is played? Is there an extra set of rules I missed? What did trip a trigger was that you Sister Coyote as an apparently seasoned player appeared to be jumping to the defense of a lesser seasoned player when I was calling him out to explain his vote. It makes you look suspect to me at this point and like you are protecting something [ full on sarcasm ]( and I never post anything game related)
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 7, 2011 22:34:36 GMT -5
NETA 'of base' in the last paragraph should read "off base"
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 1:25:34 GMT -5
... Septimus does seem to believe Lightfoot's claim 100% despite maintaining his vote on her earlier after claiming that it was just a poke vote intended to get a response. Weak? It was good enough for you yesterDay, you even pointed out how your vote almost got [FCOD] lynched but now it's weak? What are you waiting for? Why now?Are you asking people to come forward or just to see your towniness if they had a similar dream?It's rather unfortunate that Bill turned up dead in the morning and can't confirm your claim. If help is needed to understand my weak voting, I'd refer you to "Fuzzy Set Theory." As of now, there's only 1 living player who I'm sure is Town, and zero who I'm sure are Scum. I might classify other players into these fuzzy sets: - Players posting and emitting faint Town vibes. I hope they're sincere.
- Players posting and making Townish error(s). I hope they're not clever Scum.
- Players on whom a Townish consensus has emerged. (Color me paranoid, but I do wonder if the forbidden and spoiled threads are uproarious with talk of our Grand Bamboozlement. )
- Lurkers and semi-lurkers. Lurking may be a scum-tell; but anyway, if we're going to misLynch it's better to misLynch an inactive player.
- Player(s) posting a lot, but giving off no Town vibes, at least that I sense.
That last group has just one member. He voted to Lynch a Townie yesterDay, a Townie so valuable he was then NK'ed. He's voting to Lynch a Townie toDay, despite that that Townie has offered a claim in preference to a MisLynch. He offers many words, but many of those are useless. (For example, in response to a query about Snack numbers, he gives a dissertation on arithmetic that was surely already known to those interested in Snack numbers.) You ask me why I state that my votes on FCOD and LightFoot were weak? It's because I thought they were weak. I feel much better about this one: Vote: Guiri
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Post by guiri on Apr 8, 2011 4:18:03 GMT -5
That last group has just one member. He voted to Lynch a Townie yesterDay, a Townie so valuable he was then NK'ed. I voted to lynch a player who I suspected was scum, I was wrong. What makes you think he was NKed because he was a valuable townie? I'm voting a player I suspect is scum. You have not offered a claim, you've offered an offer of a claim. When you make a claim, I will evaluate it and judge whether I think your power is likely Town or not, confirmable or not and then unvote, or not. So why did you ask the question: "Is everyone getting the same number of Snacks each morning?" You said: "I think FCOD is once again my top Lynch choice, but the case seems weak, so I'll wait for now.", I'm asking you why you think the case is weak. You defended your vote on him yesterDay and since then FCoD has given several additional reasons for people to suspect him (gloating, wishy-washy analysis of non-voters, another bandwagon vote, etc).
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Post by julie on Apr 8, 2011 9:02:43 GMT -5
Just under 5 hours to end of Day 1.
Vote Count:
*FCOD: 6 (LightFoot 99, Sister Coyote 122, MentalGuy 137, Suburban Plankton 226, storyteller 233, scuzzlebutt 251)
LightFoot: 4 (Special Ed 66, FlyingCowOfDoom 156, Joanie 200, Inner Stickler 211)
septimus: 3 (Renata 179, guiri 182, Greedy Smurf 212)
Inner Stickler: 1 (romanic 118)
guiri: 1 (septimus 261)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Special Ed: +1 (Sister Coyote 10)
Mahaloth/BobArrgh: +1 (Special Ed 39)
MentalGuy: +1 (Special Ed 39)
septimus: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Captain Pinkies: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Inner Stickler: +1 (Special Ed 39) storyteller: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Special Ed: +1 (septimus 77)
MentalGuy: +1 (septimus 77)
Inner Stickler: +1 (septimus 77)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by julie on Apr 8, 2011 9:03:24 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts has heroically decided to step in to replace the MIA peeker. Peeker, I hope you are well. Idle, thanks!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 9:05:33 GMT -5
What did trip a trigger was that you Sister Coyote as an apparently seasoned player appeared to be jumping to the defense of a lesser seasoned player when I was calling him out to explain his vote. When IS says he is a "less seasoned" player, he's...not telling the entire truth. Sort of like whoever it was Day One said they should be considered similar to a newbie because they've never caught scum. I'm not sure where you get that I'm trying to add an extra set of rules. Clearly, we are not understanding each other on this point. :shrug: it happens.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 8, 2011 9:12:06 GMT -5
Having just modded a game with Lightfoot in it (it was her first game, too, I'm the one who taught her how to play), I have to say, I don't like the votes for her. She's acting, by and large, how most of the people acted in that game, since it was their first one and they were mostly all pretty clueless. Obviously this doesn't mean she can't be scum, I'm just saying it doesn't make me suspicious of her at all and I can easily see her being Town and acting that way.
Still playing catch up.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 8, 2011 9:13:50 GMT -5
Well, no wonder it is hard to understand LightFoot ... she's a Scotsman! I've been to Scotland and had a wee bit of a problem understanding them. ;D I think they call it the "Glasgow Patter".
(By the way, whoever said "... LightFoot was like peeker, but with manners" made me snort my coffee. You owe me a new keyboard.)
@Septimus: Just so I am clear on what you are saying, when you said that "there is only 1 living player who you are sure is Town", are you referring to yourself or to someone else? Are you referring to Ed because of your dream?
In any case, I'd like to hear more about your experiment, if you can safely share any information without becoming a bigger target for the Scum.
@Idle Thoughts: Good luck catching up.
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 8, 2011 9:18:49 GMT -5
Speaking as a relatively new player who not only stepped in a big pile of dung but then proceeded to open his mouth and stick that same foot in it, I think I totally get where LightFoot is coming from. I realize she is giving off scum tells left and right, but I am seeing her more as a confused, scared, lonely Townie than a Scum.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 10:02:16 GMT -5
Having just modded a game with Lightfoot in it (it was her first game, too, I'm the one who taught her how to play), I have to say, I don't like the votes for her. She's acting, by and large, how most of the people acted in that game, since it was their first one and they were mostly all pretty clueless. Obviously this doesn't mean she can't be scum, I'm just saying it doesn't make me suspicious of her at all and I can easily see her being Town and acting that way. Speaking as a relatively new player who not only stepped in a big pile of dung but then proceeded to open his mouth and stick that same foot in it, I think I totally get where LightFoot is coming from. I realize she is giving off scum tells left and right, but I am seeing her more as a confused, scared, lonely Townie than a Scum. I agree with both these comments, BTW, which is why my vote's staying on FCOD.
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