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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2011 12:42:40 GMT -5
Oh, for the love of crap.
I absolutely don't have time to read for comprehension here - I have a meeting in fifteen minutes and it will take me through 3:00 (the end of the Day, right?).
Gah. I'll try to read through it during the meeting.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:43:44 GMT -5
Don't play obtuse, FCOD. Mental Guy claimed he could rescue Daphne ONCE KIDNAPPED, plus do something else (maybe).
You follow him and he "leaves the hotel" -- that shows ... what? You follow him and he doesn't leave -- that shows ... what?
Daphne had not yet been kidnapped, so you weren't going to see him trying to rescue her (or failing to). There's no reason for this.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 12:47:31 GMT -5
The experiment I suggest would have no purpose except to demonstrate that I have a slight power(*); the nature of the power would strongly suggest I'm Town. Revealing my power, and discussing it and the experiment might be an interesting conversation, but perhaps more of a distraction than a chance for scum-slip. I think such a conversation will be needed when I'm about to be Lynched, but as we're approaching Dusk and I'm not Lynch leader, it would probably be too much of a distraction now. And sadly, that is probably an accurate assessment. I don't have much of a leg to stand on in insisting that you share (unless you aer worried about a vig). However, I do strongly suggest you carry out this experiment tonight. If it comes to tomorrow and you have nothing to share but yet more vague claims, you may well be lynched.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 12:49:14 GMT -5
I chose him because of his claim yesterDay, why is that not obvious? --FCOD That may or may not be obvious, but it still doesn't answer the question. He claimed to be able to rescue Daphne, who by all accounts hadn't been kidnapped. So what exactly did you hope to discover by watching him? what were you hoping to see?
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Post by BobArrgh on Apr 8, 2011 12:49:46 GMT -5
[fluff] I simply cannot let this opportunity go by without remarking on FCoD's claimed name. I believe this comes from an English pantomime play called "Mother Goose": Is that Hortense? I don't know ... she looks pretty relaxed to me. ;D [/fluff] On a more serious note, I am a little bugged by a few things in FCoD's post. 1. The extremely late claim. I know meatspace gets in the way and all that, but perhaps a little more lead time before claiming might have been a little more useful. 2. The choice of Mental Guy as a target. This is just my take on the whole Daphne thing, but I think it might have been better to watch Ed rather than Mental Guy. 3. The difference of spelling between "Hortense Green" and "Hortense Greene". I know this is seriously a fuzzy "metagame" thing, but everything I've seen of Julie's writing so far indicates that she is very particular about word choice, grammar, and spelling. I don't think she would have made a mistake like that. 4. The format of the purported PM with the title of "Hortense Green, Topiary-Investigator". The Sample PMs do not have a title, and my PM does not have a title. In fact, my PM looks like it was the exact copy that Julie sent to Mahaloth, with his name crossed out and mine inserted. I think FCoD wrote the PM himself. None of these by itself is enough to make me vote for FCoD, but taken together, I think they add up to something. Plus, I agree with the cases assertions made by others regarding FCoD. I realize it looks suspicious as all get-out voting for someone who is a claimed Town Cop/Watcher, but so be it. Vote FCoD
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 12:51:03 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.To begin with, whatever the title, what you claimed is actually a sort of weak Tracker. I don't buy it. The timing is ridiculous and so is the claimed target. There's no legitimate reason to follow Mental Guy last night, of all people. I won't comment on the timing and target, but the role and explanation don't make sense to me. As Renata says, it's a very weak Tracker -- you don't learn why the "target" left the Hotel. For that reason, it seems not unlikely that, as the PM itself implies, you'd learn of the weak fact for all players, not just a specified target. Furthermore, I, septimus, hold in my Inbox a genuine Town-side role PM, and its boilerplate-like portion differs significantly from yours. I want to hear from others, but am already suspicious enough to consider moving my vote.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 12:53:27 GMT -5
Well, frankly, I think FCOD is full of it, and I'm not moving my vote. That said: its boilerplate-like portion differs significantly from yours. I think Julie's a good enough Mod that she would not have made everyone's role PMs the same in any way, to avoid Town handshaking.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 12:55:36 GMT -5
I'm not a "watcher", I'm an "investigator". I learn the alignment of my target, not what they did. Sheesh.
--FCOD
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 12:57:58 GMT -5
I'm not a "watcher", I'm an "investigator". I learn the alignment of my target, not what they did. Sheesh. --FCOD But only if your target chooses to "leave the Hotel"?
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Post by MentalGuy on Apr 8, 2011 12:58:33 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.Last night I targeted MentalGuy, who did not leave the Hotel. --FCOD I will hate it if we wind up lynching an actual investigator, but I am not buying it. What reasons would anyone have for leaving the hotel. Even if Daphne is kidnapped, she most likely stays inside the hotel, and she definitely stays on hotel property. Since it was never announced that Daphne was kidnapped, you could assume that it was safe to say I did not leave the hotel, since I would not have been looking for her (but even if I was, I would be looking in the hotel or on hotel property). And what purpose did watching me actually serve? I would have thought almost anyone in the game besides me and Ed would have been a better choice. I am not changing my vote without some better evidence that you are actually town.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 13:01:27 GMT -5
Or maybe the scum were just careless. But regardless, if this is format error caused by mod oversight, I would have absolutely ZERO problem with Julie providing the correct format to avoid similar things happening in the future. I may have mentioned it before -- oh, once, twice, maybe three or twenty times -- how little I enjoy decisions coming down to who has a comma in the right place in their role PM and who does not. It's not fun.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 13:01:54 GMT -5
But only if your target chooses to "leave the Hotel"? I took it to mean that the Scum meet outside the Hotel, so by seeing someone leave I would know they are Scum. --FCOD
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 13:03:48 GMT -5
Well, looks about that time. I am the Town Investigator.Last night I targeted MentalGuy, who did not leave the Hotel. --FCOD I will hate it if we wind up lynching an actual investigator, but I am not buying it. What reasons would anyone have for leaving the hotel. Even if Daphne is kidnapped, she most likely stays inside the hotel, and she definitely stays on hotel property. Since it was never announced that Daphne was kidnapped, you could assume that it was safe to say I did not leave the hotel, since I would not have been looking for her (but even if I was, I would be looking in the hotel or on hotel property). And what purpose did watching me actually serve? I would have thought almost anyone in the game besides me and Ed would have been a better choice. I am not changing my vote without some better evidence that you are actually town. i think "left their room" might have been more believable. this story gets more suspicious as time goes by.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Apr 8, 2011 13:04:45 GMT -5
I would say that two hours before EoD is a little on the late side, FCOD. Also, I question your claim that you targeted MentalGuy, based on that PM, because there is no indication that you have to "target" anyone -- more the implication that should someone leave the hotel (and therefore pass by you) that you'll know who they are. The second half of this post really trumps the rest of the discussion as far as I'm concerned. The PM suggests a passive power; FCoD claims an active one with a choice of target. Vote stays.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 13:06:00 GMT -5
i think late nature of the claim is in the hope the real investigator isn't online.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 13:07:32 GMT -5
What reasons would anyone have for leaving the hotel. I don't have an answer to this, but I would like to observe that "The Butler was driven away from the gazebo." Presumably, the Gazebo is outside the hotel.
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 13:07:44 GMT -5
Well, I still don't get why an alignment investigator would target Mental Guy either, though it's an improvement over tracker to the extent that I have seen legitimate investigators make such choices in the past. But I don't get why a real investigator wouldn't try to nail down exactly what he was able to detect and why, nor why he would present the results as you did (you didn't specify your later statement that "stays in hotel" equals town until after you were challenged on the internal logic of your role.)
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Post by Renata on Apr 8, 2011 13:09:09 GMT -5
The second half of this post really trumps the rest of the discussion as far as I'm concerned. The PM suggests a passive power; FCoD claims an active one with a choice of target. Vote stays. True.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Apr 8, 2011 13:09:43 GMT -5
To quote specifically from the first post toDay: BillMc, AKA Templeton the butler, AKA Town Adviser, was driven away from the gazebo.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 13:09:46 GMT -5
I will be away from the computer in just a couple minutes, and will not be back until well after Dusk. I don't buy FCOD's claim for a moment, so my vote will stand.
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Post by septimus on Apr 8, 2011 13:10:05 GMT -5
However, I do strongly suggest you carry out this experiment tonight. If it comes to tomorrow and you have nothing to share but yet more vague claims, you may well be lynched. I've been answering questions, and trying to ask useful questions of my own. If I saw reciprocation from you, I'd be more likely to think we're on the same team. Here's a simple question for you. How many Snacks appeared in your In-box this morning? I'll answer the question if you do. At this point, I'd almost be content even with just a token partial answer, like "an odd number", or "less than 10."
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 13:11:23 GMT -5
To quote specifically from the first post toDay: BillMc, AKA Templeton the butler, AKA Town Adviser, was driven away from the gazebo. This is true, so there may well be reasons for players to "leave the Hotel". Of course, Templeton was Town, so that would mean "leaving the Hotel" =/= "Scum".
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Post by LightFoot on Apr 8, 2011 13:11:52 GMT -5
Previously, in my final hour I left all the information I could think of that could benefit town. As I don't see any votes changing yet with an hour left WHY isn't FCOD doing that? (true a last minute post is possible if this doesn't work...but)
It just 'smells funny'
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 13:12:19 GMT -5
Well, I still don't get why an alignment investigator would target Mental Guy either, though it's an improvement over tracker to the extent that I have seen legitimate investigators make such choices in the past. But I don't get why a real investigator wouldn't try to nail down exactly what he was able to detect and why, nor why he would present the results as you did (you didn't specify your later statement that "stays in hotel" equals town until after you were challenged on the internal logic of your role.) It seemed obvious to me, given that my role title was "investigator" and typically that role learns alignment unless otherwise specified. You are right that I should have been more clear. Again, I wish I could have claimed earlier but it is what it is. Who would you have investigated? To me, it makes sense to investigate someone who claims un-prompted. --FCOD
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 13:13:20 GMT -5
Here's a simple question for you. How many Snacks appeared in your In-box this morning? I'll answer the question if you do. At this point, I'd almost be content even with just a token partial answer, like "an odd number", or "less than 10." What is the purpose of this question? Are you in possession of evidence that suggests all players receive a certain fixed number of Snacks each Day? Or that the number of Snacks received is in some way indicative of a player's alignment?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 13:13:23 GMT -5
Previously, in my final hour I left all the information I could think of that could benefit town. As I don't see any votes changing yet with an hour left WHY isn't FCOD doing that? (true a last minute post is possible if this doesn't work...but) It just 'smells funny' What other information could I leave, LOL? --FCOD
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 8, 2011 13:16:52 GMT -5
It seemed obvious to me, given that my role title was "investigator" and typically that role learns alignment unless otherwise specified. You are right that I should have been more clear. Again, I wish I could have claimed earlier but it is what it is. Who would you have investigated? To me, it makes sense to investigate someone who claims un-prompted. --FCOD So, what information did you actually receive as a result of your "investigation"? Were you told "MentalGuy did not leave the Hotel"? Or were you told "MentalGuy is Town"? Or was it something else? Did you actually confirm with the Mod exactly what your role was, and what your results meant, or did you just assume because it "seemed obvious"?
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Post by julie on Apr 8, 2011 13:17:20 GMT -5
About 40 minutes to end of Day.
Vote Count:
*FCOD: 7 (LightFoot 99, Sister Coyote 122, MentalGuy 137, Suburban Plankton 226, storyteller 233, scuzzlebutt 251, BobArrgh 304)
LightFoot: 4 (Special Ed 66, FlyingCowOfDoom 156, Joanie 200, Inner Stickler 211)
septimus: 3 (Renata 179, guiri 182, Greedy Smurf 212)
Inner Stickler: 1 (romanic 118)
guiri: 1 (septimus 261)
Romanic: 1 (gnarlycharlie 276)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
Special Ed: +1 (Sister Coyote 10)
Mahaloth/BobArrgh: +1 (Special Ed 39)
MentalGuy: +1 (Special Ed 39)
septimus: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Captain Pinkies: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Suburban Plankton: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Inner Stickler: +1 (Special Ed 39) storyteller: +1 (Special Ed 39)
Special Ed: +1 (septimus 77)
MentalGuy: +1 (septimus 77)
Inner Stickler: +1 (septimus 77)
Corrections always welcome.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 8, 2011 13:19:52 GMT -5
Did you actually confirm with the Mod exactly what your role was, and what your results meant, or did you just assume because it "seemed obvious"? The PM I received stated "MentalGuy (Town) did not leave the Hotel last night". I did not feel that my role needed any additional clarification so I didn't ask for it. --FCOD
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Apr 8, 2011 13:21:02 GMT -5
@renata: i did say that i was exclusively looking at posts with votes for Day 1. am i non-committal? i did vote, right? you may not like my reasoning or my vote but it is a commitment. as to not outright saying i think so and so is scum or town, others have done it. did you comment on these as well? even if you did, that's one persons point of view. i've seen posts criticized for being non-committal and i've seen posts criticized for being accusatory. *shrugs*
as for the irony, i'm sure someone would have mentioned it if i did make a comment on my voting. *shrugs again*
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