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Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 8:25:27 GMT -5
On the Inner Stickler thing: I re-read Inner Stickler and my feelings of suspicion are more muted than I recall. The salient points are: - lurker status - "We should be scum hunting!" cheerleading, which I find bizarre. Obviously we should be trying to find scum; explicitly stating it only makes me think you are scum trying to look Town. - The vote for Paul (weak).
Nothing too pretty, but there it is, in slightly more cogent form.
I'll also note here that I'm disappointed in the lack of participation from NAF and storyteller. Others have been slacking too, but I'm calling out those two specifically. NAF has claimed busy, which is fine, except that I think I can totally tell when NAF is scum, but not when he doesn't post. storyteller, just disappeared.
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Post by Natlaw on May 5, 2009 8:28:35 GMT -5
The reason you can't see the bolding is because of the reduced text size. Thanks, zoom text works to show the bold. Well dang it Roosh you are correct. I thought for sure it was you who brought up the possibility that Dr. H might be a PFK who could be recruited by either town or scum. Now I have to go back and read the entire thread and find out who actually suggested that. The only thing I can say in my defense is that I have a tendency to skim your posts. Bygones. I think I've suggested it at some point (and still consider it a possibility), but I didn't draw your group 2 conclusion that we should keep him alive. On first read of the Groupie claims it doesn't seem to affect my vote, so I'll keep it where it is.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2009 9:14:43 GMT -5
So I just got caught up, and I only have a couple of minutes before I have to leave for work.
I'm a Bad Horse Chorus Guy, and apparently I'm Town:
I won't be back again before end of day, most likely.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 5, 2009 9:15:30 GMT -5
Oops! EBWOP:
unvote
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Post by Almost Human on May 5, 2009 9:15:58 GMT -5
Another reason I'm coming out now is that I'm groupie #2 and know about groupie #1 Pollux but not the name of any other groupie/s. Weird. Not what I was expecting, but kind of fits into the lack of explicit statement that the groupies are Town. Irritating though. Almost Human, have you asked FCOD for clarification on your role? - Ask specifically if knowing that Pollux is Groupie #1 means that Pollux is the same alignment as you (Town). - Ask specifically if all Groupies are the same alignment as you (Town). Yes I did after it was brought up. I got an unspecific answer and I wouldn't be surprised if my reply to that went on the spoiler board ....it was colourful ;D I've pm'd him again though because I didn't ask him about Pollux particulararly but rather groupies in general so I've brought up your first point. I also brought up point 2 again but I'm not holding my breath on getting any more of an answer than I did before.
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Post by Almost Human on May 5, 2009 9:24:35 GMT -5
And a very quick reply from FCOD:
So yeah. He may mean exactly what he says. Alternatively he may mean that as nothing was said about any of us not being town then we are therefore town.
Best thing's probably to keep it in mind as the game progresses and judge us by our actions the same as you would any other player.
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Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 9:29:32 GMT -5
Meh. I'm really less enthusiastic about playing in a game with a hostile mod.
Whatever.
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Post by Almost Human on May 5, 2009 9:30:08 GMT -5
So I just got caught up, and I only have a couple of minutes before I have to leave for work. I'm a Bad Horse Chorus Guy, and apparently I'm Town: I won't be back again before end of day, most likely. Actually I think you may be telling the truth. Problem is, even if you are your role could be anti town even if your allignment isn't. Someone who relays messages could potentially be sending invitations to people to join the ELE so it might be best to kill the messenger. Also the ELE now know you can relay messages. If that's something they have to find out before a message can be sent then half their work's been done for them. This is just speculation of course but it does kind of make sense too.
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Post by Almost Human on May 5, 2009 9:31:05 GMT -5
Meh. I'm really less enthusiastic about playing in a game with a hostile mod. Whatever. I think he was joking about the killing part
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 5, 2009 9:42:52 GMT -5
What a horrible couple of days... I haven't had much time for participation sorry... it's been lacking in my other games as well...
lets see....
Well I was prepared to leave my vote on SisC to the end, but IS is really pinging me... his unvote of me seems really odd, and now he doesnt have a vote on record at all.... and he blatantly admitted to lurking. I also really don't like Pollux's claim.... or SisC's either... but I see the timing of SisC's Vanilla claim a lot more strategic and necessary than Pollux's.
Hmmm... tough one... but I think I'm getting pinged the hardest by IS
Unvote: SisC
Vote: Inner Stickler
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 9:44:31 GMT -5
Meh. I'm really less enthusiastic about playing in a game with a hostile mod. Whatever. My comment about "having to kill you" was in jest, and AH understood that. The game is designed in a specific way, and I feel the balance is very good. Just because you hold the opinion that the role is poor does not make me hostile. For future reference, it is extremely unlikely that I will answer any question that reveals more information than is given in your role PMs. I will be happy to help you understand things that you don't, as long as it doesn't require me to divulge secrets about the game's setup. --FCOD
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on May 5, 2009 9:45:59 GMT -5
So I just got caught up, and I only have a couple of minutes before I have to leave for work. I'm a Bad Horse Chorus Guy, and apparently I'm Town: I won't be back again before end of day, most likely. Actually I think you may be telling the truth. Problem is, even if you are your role could be anti town even if your allignment isn't. Someone who relays messages could potentially be sending invitations to people to join the ELE so it might be best to kill the messenger. Also the ELE now know you can relay messages. If that's something they have to find out before a message can be sent then half their work's been done for them. This is just speculation of course but it does kind of make sense too. Weird... when I read her PM I thought the relaying messages thing was just color. Groupies, do you have anything similar in yours?
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Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 9:49:16 GMT -5
Vote count:
Sister Coyote (4) - zlw, Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh Inner Stickler (3) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul Pollux (2) - Pleonast, Special Ed Paul (1) - NAF1138 sachertorte (1) - Pollux Natlaw (1) - sinjin
--FCOD
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Post by Inner Stickler on May 5, 2009 9:50:20 GMT -5
I understand the part of your list and what you meant when listing it. But I'm not sure I understand why your reasons for the list ends up with your unvoting Paul. The reason is that I'm rereading the thread with fresh eyes to see what is going on. I don't want a vote for paul to make me find him scummy, if that makes sense.
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Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 9:50:29 GMT -5
None of the roles claimed so far are worthy of retracting votes. They could very easily have been modified to show a Townie win condition instead of another one. I'm keeping my vote where it is. Also, Sach. I don't trust you right now because I want to trust you. You're giving me a very Storyteller vibe right now. And I don't like that. I like your ideas, but whenever I find myself wanting to trust someone, I find myself wondering why. So yeah, you're on the shit list. I say this just in case (if Pleo gets his wish) and I die toNight. I've got classes and then work tommorrow from 12pm to pretty much midnight. So I'll be missing the end of the Day that's kinda why I've been trying to say EVERYTHING i can before the Day ends. Funny! Your reasoning about sach is exactly my reasoning about you and sach.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:03:34 GMT -5
Post by zlw on May 5, 2009 10:03:34 GMT -5
With some hesitation my vote is staying on Sister C, she claims to be a vanilla but with messaging ability possible by the role. I don't know whether she is good or bad other than the one line in her PM that could be modified. I may change my mind in the next few hours but everyone that gets fingered has claimed with only one well two being somewhat confirmable by one another so far.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:23:43 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on May 5, 2009 10:23:43 GMT -5
The only person the Bad Horse Chorus gave a message to in DHSAB is Dr. Horrible. My guess is that once the scum find out who she is and who Dr. Horrible is, they can send a message through her to recruit him. And I'm not sure that Sister Coyote hasn't changed her alignment anyway. So
Vote: Sister Coyote for being a possible method of scum growth.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:27:14 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 10:27:14 GMT -5
12,780 seconds remaining vote count:
Sister Coyote (5) - zlw, Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, Inner Stickler Inner Stickler (3) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul Pollux (2) - Pleonast, Special Ed Paul (1) - NAF1138 sachertorte (1) - Pollux Natlaw (1) - sinjin
--FCOD
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:48:25 GMT -5
Post by zlw on May 5, 2009 10:48:25 GMT -5
Don't like it.... nope not at all.
unvote SisterC
Vote Inner Stickler
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:50:37 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 10:50:37 GMT -5
That ties it up, but Sister Coyote is still the current lynchee.
Sister Coyote (4*) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, Inner Stickler Inner Stickler (4) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul, zlw Pollux (2) - Pleonast, Special Ed Paul (1) - NAF1138 sachertorte (1) - Pollux Natlaw (1) - sinjin
--FCOD
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:58:50 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 10:58:50 GMT -5
I don't like Inner Stickler's vote for Sister Coyote. 1) Plausibility is not proof. Posing some hypothetical about someone else's role as reason for voting for them should be backed by something more substantive. Inner Sticker is basically saying I think your role might be anti-Town so I'm voting for you. That's equivalent to saying, "You could be scum, so I'm voting for you!" 2) I don't hold the message passing against Sister Coyote. If anything, I find the claim more believable with it. A scummy Sister Coyote would know the problems caused by the non-power power. She's essentially claiming vanilla. I would think a scummy Coyote would delete parts of the role PM that would cause added heat. However a true Townie would not lie about her role and would post it all in all its messiness (and misspellings?). Hmmm. Don't know about that one. 3) While it is natural to vote in a self-defensive way, I don't love the way it all played out. I think you were desperate for a reason to vote for Sister Coyote. I suppose Town would do that too, but Town really shouldn't.
Anyway. I'm not really keen on pushing for yet another role claim, but that's not a good reason to push for Sister Coyote either.
Vote: Inner Stickler
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Day One
May 5, 2009 10:59:09 GMT -5
Post by zlw on May 5, 2009 10:59:09 GMT -5
Can we get some of the one vote offs get into the fray? I'll make a mental note your first choice is (the one voter) but to play it safe isn't in the best interest of town right now is it?
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:06:04 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2009 11:06:04 GMT -5
I'll also note here that I'm disappointed in the lack of participation from NAF and storyteller. Others have been slacking too, but I'm calling out those two specifically. NAF has claimed busy, which is fine, except that I think I can totally tell when NAF is scum, but not when he doesn't post. storyteller, just disappeared. Sorry, like I said, I have been having trouble keeping my head above water with this game. A combination of one to many games, some unusual crazyness at work, and high volume of dense posts made at times when my PC access is limited have made this a touher game for me than I expected it to be. I finally finished a read and frankly Paul still seems scummiest to me. That being said, I have thoughts. Pollux seems to clearly be a mason of some sort, though I think that chain masons implemented like that are a bastard role. I am surprised that I am in a second game where it looks like we are going to lynch another claimed power role. I know several Can someone help me out and recap the case against sister for me, I wasn't able to follow it. Reading in huge hurried chunks like I have been makes it hard for me to retain stuff. The vote by IS is particularly surprising because of metagame reasons that I shouldn't get into, but fuck it. We just made a really really bad lynch of a claimed power role in TLs game, Inner Stickler was there. I would think the lesson would have been learned. YOU DON'T LYNCH CLAIMED POWER ROLES ON DAY 1! It's actually kind of a rule. Just like you don't lynch uncounterd masons. Seriously. I can't believe I even have to say this to anyone in this game. unvote paul
vote Inner Stickler
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:09:44 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 11:09:44 GMT -5
Wait. Sister Coyote is a claimed power role? Did I miss something? Or are you talking about the message passing, which seems rather minor to me?
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:12:47 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 5, 2009 11:12:47 GMT -5
With some hesitation my vote is staying on Sister C, she claims to be a vanilla but with messaging ability possible by the role. I don't know whether she is good or bad other than the one line in her PM that could be modified. I may change my mind in the next few hours but everyone that gets fingered has claimed with only one well two being somewhat confirmable by one another so far. And then this: Posted by zlw on Today at 10:48amRight after Inner Stickler says essentially the same thing as you did. I'm not liking that at all.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:17:08 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 5, 2009 11:17:08 GMT -5
Wait. Sister Coyote is a claimed power role? Did I miss something? Or are you talking about the message passing, which seems rather minor to me? Yeah, I was talking about the message passing. It strikes me as being like Pollux's mason claim, seemingly useless but likely more important than she is aware of.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:46:49 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 5, 2009 11:46:49 GMT -5
The only person the Bad Horse Chorus gave a message to in DHSAB is Dr. Horrible. My guess is that once the scum find out who she is and who Dr. Horrible is, they can send a message through her to recruit him. And I'm not sure that Sister Coyote hasn't changed her alignment anyway This is internally contradictory, or at least it seems so to me. He seems to be saying that once the ELE find out who the Bad Horse Chorus is, and also identify Dr Horrible, they can use the Chorus to pass a "come join us" message to Dr. H. Then he votes Sister C, claiming that she might have changed her alignment anyway (ie be an ELE member). That phrasing "she might have changed her alignment anyway" is what's bothering me, and particularly the word in italics. IS is prepared to lynch someone he or she thinks is probably Town, without demonstrating that their existence is bad for Town. Only ELE members should be prepared to throw Town away like that. Vote: Inner Stickler
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:47:40 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 11:47:40 GMT -5
With some hesitation my vote is staying on Sister C, she claims to be a vanilla but with messaging ability possible by the role. I don't know whether she is good or bad other than the one line in her PM that could be modified. I may change my mind in the next few hours but everyone that gets fingered has claimed with only one well two being somewhat confirmable by one another so far. And then this: Posted by zlw on Today at 10:48amRight after Inner Stickler says essentially the same thing as you did. I'm not liking that at all. zlw's vote switch really bothers me too. I think I'm more suspicious of him than either Stickler or Coyote. I'm not sure why people are suddenly giving Pollux a pass.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 11:59:40 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 5, 2009 11:59:40 GMT -5
Can we get some of the one vote offs get into the fray? I'll make a mental note your first choice is (the one voter) but to play it safe isn't in the best interest of town right now is it? And I don't like this either coming so close after his sudden switch to IS. What the bandwagon wasn't starting up quick enough for you. MHaye; Scoyoto doesn't have to be ELE if she is not town. She could be PFK or third party. Pleo, people are off Pollux because he has basically claimed some sort of mason and AH has claimed the same.
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Day One
May 5, 2009 12:00:57 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on May 5, 2009 12:00:57 GMT -5
Shoot forgot this part.
unvote
vote zlw
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