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May 5, 2009 13:42:50 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 13:42:50 GMT -5
I disagree. The main point for believing them right now is the lack of mason counter-claim, the same as any other game. I find it unlikely for scum to consist of the Groupies AND for there to be NO MASONS. That's all kinds of fucked up. Standard operating procedure is to allow a mason claim unless counter-claimed. A single mason can do this. We allow it all the time. Of course I'm operating under the assumption that masons exist in the game, but I don't think that assumption is unreasonable at this time. The Masons haven't counter-claimed because their hasn't been a Mason claim to counter. Think about it from a Mason's point of view. Revealing to the Town one's existence as a Mason gives no information about the Groupies. In general, a single Mason claim is enough to not lynch the claimer, because we have the potential to confirm that player in the future. The Groupie claim give us no such potential. I think we're making a big mistake lynching a player with a power of unknown importance instead of a player with no powers and an unverifiable claim.
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May 5, 2009 13:45:27 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 13:45:27 GMT -5
zlw still needs to be pressured more, but at this point, our best lynch candidate is the Groupie. unvote vote Pollux
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May 5, 2009 13:45:58 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 5, 2009 13:45:58 GMT -5
I would think it would be far more damaging to lose an investigator? You'd think right. That's while Sister Coyote is getting votes right now. Better her than a claimed Investigator. Investigator is one of those roles it's fairly risky for the ELE to cliam because they have to fake the results. If they give us true results then they set up a cleared group, reduuing the pool of unknowns they need to hide in, and if they serve up an ELE member to "prove" themselves, well then we get at least one ELE dead from the bargain. I've decided to vote on the idea that "better safe than sorry." Vote: Sister Coyote .
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May 5, 2009 13:46:56 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 13:46:56 GMT -5
Vote count:
Sister Coyote (6) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, sinjin, sachertorte, MHaye Inner Stickler (3) - Natlaw, KidVermicious, Paul Pollux (2) - Special Ed, Pleonast sachertorte (1) - Pollux Paul (1) - NAF1138
--FCOD
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May 5, 2009 13:48:05 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 13:48:05 GMT -5
I've decided to vote on the idea that "better safe than sorry." And yet you're willing to lynch a player who's claimed a power with unknown significance? That does not sound safe to me.
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May 5, 2009 13:48:34 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 5, 2009 13:48:34 GMT -5
Home from work, let me try to catch up on the claims:
Pollux - Groupie #1 knows XXX is Groupie #2 Almost Human - Groupie #2 knows Pollux is Groupie #1 both do not know the alignment of the other. Sister Coyote - town Bad Horse Chorus Guy, passes messages Inner Stickler - male town investigator zlw - has reason to believe there is a male town investigator
Well, first unvote Inner Stickler since he claimed an actual power. I do remember MHaye claiming investigator late in Evil Dead late, while he was scum. zlw support makes that not as likely (unless both scum).
I don't have a feel for who to vote for - I agree with not forcing another claim (even if there was time). Lynching to confirm could be either a groupie or zlw to confirm Inner Stickler. Or lynching either Pleonast or Sister Coyote who claim/seems to have anti town roles.
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May 5, 2009 13:50:50 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 5, 2009 13:50:50 GMT -5
I've decided to vote on the idea that "better safe than sorry." And yet you're willing to lynch a player who's claimed a power with unknown significance? That does not sound safe to me.It's safer than lynching Inner Stickler. That's all I meant.
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May 5, 2009 13:52:27 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 13:52:27 GMT -5
Investigator is one of those roles it's fairly risky for the ELE to cliam because they have to fake the results. If they give us true results then they set up a cleared group, reduuing the pool of unknowns they need to hide in, and if they serve up an ELE member to "prove" themselves, well then we get at least one ELE dead from the bargain. I disagree. Investigator is trivially easy to fake in a standard game. The main danger is that Town will not be accepting of multiple Investigators, so the conflict of roles will reveal the lie. In these less than standard games, investigator is hard to fake claim because of Third Parties and PFK. Incorrectly IDing these roles will also land the fake claimant in hot water.
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May 5, 2009 13:55:10 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 13:55:10 GMT -5
Five minutes!
Vote count:
Sister Coyote (6) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, sinjin, sachertorte, MHaye Inner Stickler (2) - KidVermicious, Paul Pollux (2) - Special Ed, Pleonast sachertorte (1) - Pollux Paul (1) - NAF1138
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May 5, 2009 13:55:54 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 13:55:54 GMT -5
The Masons haven't counter-claimed because their hasn't been a Mason claim to counter. Think about it from a Mason's point of view. Revealing to the Town one's existence as a Mason gives no information about the Groupies. I don't feel that way. I view the Groupies as the mason group. I've stated so explicitly. If you are surmising that there could be Groupies AND Masons AND they are both TOWN, then well, that's possible, but f-ed up.
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May 5, 2009 13:58:04 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on May 5, 2009 13:58:04 GMT -5
Oh and back to the MHaye post above. Investigator is a highly likely choice for scum to false claim. Especially this early in the game when the real investigator would be unlikely to counter claim.
But my reservations about Inner Stickler are mitigated by the soft-verify via zlw.
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May 5, 2009 13:58:33 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 5, 2009 13:58:33 GMT -5
Pleo's vote made me think about the possibility of lynching a Groupie, and whether it gets us more info than Sister C's lynch. It may do so, so let's at least open the possibility.
Unvote: Sister Coyote
Vote: Pollux SS .
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May 5, 2009 13:58:43 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 13:58:43 GMT -5
zlw - has reason to believe there is a male town investigator I don't think zlw has actually made an claim, only questions and requests to move votes. That's why we need to get a proper explanation from him.
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May 5, 2009 13:59:20 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 13:59:20 GMT -5
Vote count:
Sister Coyote (5) - Almost Human, Kat!, Roosh, sinjin, sachertorte Pollux (3) - Special Ed, Pleonast, MHaye Inner Stickler (2) - KidVermicious, Paul sachertorte (1) - Pollux Paul (1) - NAF1138
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May 5, 2009 13:59:57 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on May 5, 2009 13:59:57 GMT -5
Seeing the latest vote count, it don't think it matters much where I do place my vote. And on second thought, the confirm lynches don't achieve much. Whether one Groupie turns up town doesn't say anything about the other. It look like masons, but as said they are not. I'm not sure if zlw knows for sure Inner Stickler is town, I get the feeling they are the news anchor man /woman and he based the male/female of that. No alignment clue.
One minute to go? Abstain I guess.
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May 5, 2009 14:00:19 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 5, 2009 14:00:19 GMT -5
The Masons haven't counter-claimed because their hasn't been a Mason claim to counter. Think about it from a Mason's point of view. Revealing to the Town one's existence as a Mason gives no information about the Groupies. I don't feel that way. I view the Groupies as the mason group. I've stated so explicitly. If you are surmising that there could be Groupies AND Masons AND they are both TOWN, then well, that's possible, but f-ed up. There's no reason to assume that Groupies are Town. They can't even assert it about each other.
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May 5, 2009 14:01:14 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 5, 2009 14:01:14 GMT -5
That's it! Dusk will be posted shortly.
--FCOD
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